Does NU have a chance in the B1G West?

B1G West.  Home of the worst offenses in the P5

#81 Illinois 5.49 ypp

#83 Wisconsin 5.44 ypp

#89 Nebraska 5.38 ypp

#101 Purdue 5.12 ypp

#125 Minnesota 4.69 ypp

#127 Northwestern 4.54 ypp

#131 Iowa 4.12 ypp (there are 133 D1 teams, the bottom 2 are tied at 4.11 ypp)

And I think we should crown 4/7 of the B1G East as honorary West members this year:

#96 Penn St

#99 Rutgers

#116 Mich St

#119 Indiana

 
Michigan

Ohio St

Everyone else


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Our chances keep going down now because of injuries on offense. Having actually won the last two games the odds of course started to go way up, but the latest round of injuries hurt the chances pretty bad.

Honestly though, if our defense plays like it did against Northwestern in each remaining game I don't know who is really scoring more than 17-20 points on us. We just can't seem to get away from turnovers, but at least false starts were better.

 
ESPN QBR

1) JJ McCarthy  93.7 (Michigan)

68) Luke Altmeyer 58.8 (Illinois)

80) Tanner Mordecai 55.8 (Wisconsin)

85) Athan Kaliakmanis 54.2 (Minnesota)

92) Hudson Card 47.6 (Purdue)

105) Ben Bryant 42.2 (Northwestern)

106) Heinrich Haarberg 41.9

Not ranked due to not enough playing time:

Braedyn Locke 47.0 (Wisconsin)

Jeff Sims 30.2

Cade McNamara 28.1 (Iowa)

Casey Thompson 28.1

Brendan Sullivan 22.9 (Northwestern)

Deacon Hill 8.5 (Iowa)

 
OK, question:  Why do you think collectively, the B1G West has such bad offenses?  We have teams that have spent a lot on coaches.  We have teams that are known for good O lines. We have teams that supposedly have good RBs.  Why can't someone in the division have a good offense?

 
BigRedBuster said:
OK, question:  Why do you think collectively, the B1G West has such bad offenses?  We have teams that have spent a lot on coaches.  We have teams that are known for good O lines. We have teams that supposedly have good RBs.  Why can't someone in the division have a good offense?
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I think it's just coincidence on timing. Purdue had O'Connell go to the NFL. Mordecai at Wisconsin was a 4 star recruit when he enrolled with Oklahoma and two transfers later was still considered a 4 star, but he's been s******* the bed.

Northwestern & Iowa haven't had a good QB in a long time because they're known for only playing defense and can't recruit other skill position players.

Illinois as a program has been on the up & up and honestly their QB is about on par for who they are as a program (decent but not "good" by any stretch).

And if we're honest with ourselves, our program is a dumpster fire so not much surprise for us there, right?

 
BigRedBuster said:
OK, question:  Why do you think collectively, the B1G West has such bad offenses?  We have teams that have spent a lot on coaches.  We have teams that are known for good O lines. We have teams that supposedly have good RBs.  Why can't someone in the division have a good offense?
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A mix of

Terrible QBs

Not a lot of skill position talent (or wasted skill position talent.  looking at you Wisconsin)

A few new coaches installing new systems

Coaching philosophies (Iowa, Minny, Illinois are ground and pound teams.  Nebraska out of necessity this year)

A few above average defenses that can feast on bad offenses

 
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Undone said:
I think it's just coincidence on timing. Purdue had O'Connell go to the NFL. Mordecai at Wisconsin was a 4 star recruit when he enrolled with Oklahoma and two transfers later was still considered a 4 star, but he's been s******* the bed.

Northwestern & Iowa haven't had a good QB in a long time because they're known for only playing defense and can't recruit other skill position players.

Illinois as a program has been on the up & up and honestly their QB is about on par for who they are as a program (decent but not "good" by any stretch).

And if we're honest with ourselves, our program is a dumpster fire so not much surprise for us there, right?
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Red Five said:
A mix of

Terrible QBs

Not a lot of skill position talent (or wasted skill position talent.  looking at you Wisconsin)

A few new coaches installing new systems

Coaching philosophies (Iowa, Minny, Illinois are ground and pound teams.  Nebraska out of necessity this year)

A few above average defenses that can feast on bad offenses
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It just seems like it's been a long time since we have had a team with a good offense.  Probably Wisconsin at some point.  But, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all known for good O lines.  I would have thought they could have produced something decent.

 
BigRedBuster said:
It just seems like it's been a long time since we have had a team with a good offense.  Probably Wisconsin at some point.  But, Iowa, Minnesota and Wisconsin are all known for good O lines.  I would have thought they could have produced something decent.
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2021 Nebraska is probably the high water mark.  #18 in yards/play at 6.44.

2019 had Minnesota at #23 had Wisconsin at #29.

 
BigRedBuster said:
OK, question:  Why do you think collectively, the B1G West has such bad offenses?  We have teams that have spent a lot on coaches.  We have teams that are known for good O lines. We have teams that supposedly have good RBs.  Why can't someone in the division have a good offense?
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Im going to get roasted for this, per usual, but its all about geography and proximity to talent.  While the Midwest produces some quality skill position players every year, simple statistics will show that schools in east, south and west, with much larger and more metro areas are simply going to produce more. This is backed up by many data points but if you simply overlay a map where all the espn 300 recruits are located each year , you’ll find almost a U shape that stretches from California, to Texas, all over the south and then up the eastern seaboard.  Ohio state is a major outlier because they are the only major P5 program in a state that has talent (not counting cinci in this that historically has not been P5).  States like Texas, Florida and California individually have more people and metro areas than most of the big ten region combined.  If I’m a head coach, it’s a helluva lot easier for me to visit 20 4-5star recruits in a few days compared to the Midwest, it’s simple proximity, travel logistics and limited time in the day.
 

Another thing, most of the big ten teams are run heavy because you can find lineman and it’s a b!^@h to throw the ball starting in late October and November.  Run heavy teams are never going to fare well in generalized offensive stats that tends to favor points, yards and various stats that are largely ranked off quantity in descending order.

 
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gossamorharpy said:
Im going to get roasted for this, per usual, but its all about geography and proximity to talent.  While the Midwest produces some quality skill position players every year, simple statistics will show that schools in east, south and west, with much larger and more metro areas are simply going to produce more. This is backed up by many data points but if you simply overlay a map where all the espn 300 recruits are located each year , you’ll find almost a U shape that stretches from California, to Texas, all over the south and then up the eastern seaboard.  Ohio state is a major outlier because they are the only major P5 program in a state that has talent (not counting cinci in this that historically has not been P5).  States like Texas, Florida and California individually have more people and metro areas than most of the big ten region combined.  If I’m a head coach, it’s a helluva lot easier for me to visit 20 4-5star recruits in a few days compared to the Midwest, it’s simple proximity, travel logistics and limited time in the day.
 

Another thing, most of the big ten teams are run heavy because you can find lineman and it’s a b!^@h to throw the ball starting in late October and November.  Run heavy teams are never going to fare well in generalized offensive stats that tends to favor points, yards and various stats that are largely ranked off quantity in descending order.
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Not roasting you at all.

But, that would explain why B1G west teams can't compete with teams in the East, South and West.  But, how come the offenses can't produce against defenses from other B1G west teams?

 
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