The 2024 Presidential Election- The LONG General Election

Who will you vote for in November - new ballot:

  • Harris

    Votes: 28 71.8%

  • Trump

    Votes: 3 7.7%

  • Kennedy

    Votes: 5 12.8%

  • Other

    Votes: 3 7.7%
  • Total voters
    39
Archy1221 said:
Let’s take your statement at face value and carry it forward.   Last I checked Biden is President and whatever Trump did or didn’t try and do had no bearing on Biden taking office.   There was no chance of Biden NOT taking office after the legal challenges failed.  We all knew this would happen except the tin foil conspiracy folks.  There is ZERO chance Trump runs for a third term if elected.  You know why?????Because he can’t.  Why do you worry about an event that has ZERO chance of happening?
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I guess attempted murder isn't a crime, and you can trust the perpetrators of a botched robbery because they didn't pull it off the first time.

If a soothsayer in 2015 had told you everything Donald Trump would actually say and do over the next 9 years, you would have put those odds at ZERO, too, and laughed at the tin hat paranoia that turned out to be 100% true.  

I don't think Trump is going to try to for a third term, although he and his team are very much in the thick of subverting all sorts of rules (the 2025 Project really is a thing). So just saying "he can't" pays a grave disservice to the history and motives of the f#&%head you voted for twice. I'm rooting for our system of checks and balances, too, but it's pretty clear that a significant portion of the GOP base -- and plenty of its elected officials -- are very open to a more autocratic form of government. If you're not concerned you're not paying attention.

Of course the likelihood of Trump stepping down in 2024 is stronger. He'll want to, and there's a 100% chance he does so as the Greatest President in History. But if he has further stacked the Supreme Court, used the Executive Branch to bypass congress,  appointed cabinet members and agency heads to dismantle the government, and the GOP chooses to run a next generation Trumpist (oh let's just say Don Jr.)  who loses the popular vote and wins the electoral gerrymandering yet again, nobody's going to point to Archy1221 saying Trump wouldn't run for a third term as proof that things worked out swell. 

 
Guy Chamberlin said:
I guess attempted murder isn't a crime, and you can trust the perpetrators of a botched robbery because they didn't pull it off the first time.
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Nope.   And just so we are on the same page, Don the Con did not attempt a coup.  

Guy Chamberlin said:
If a soothsayer in 2015 had told you everything Donald Trump would actually say and do over the next 9 years, you would have put those odds at ZERO, too, and laughed at the tin hat paranoia that turned out to be 100% true.  
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What did he do that was unconstitutional that didn’t get checked by another branch of government?  
 

Guy Chamberlin said:
So just saying "he can't" pays a grave disservice to the history and motives of the f#&%head you voted for twice. I'm rooting for our system of checks and balances, too, but it's pretty clear that a significant portion of the GOP base -- and plenty of its elected officials -- are very open to a more autocratic form of government. If you're not concerned you're not paying attention.
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I’m not concerned because it’s not a real thing.  You keep believing in these tinfoil conspiracies as if they are on the verge of happening imminently.  I tend to not believe in fantasy nor worry about it. 
 

Guy Chamberlin said:
Of course the likelihood of Trump stepping down in 2024 is stronger. He'll want to, and there's a 100% chance he does so as the Greatest President in History. But if he has further stacked the Supreme Court, used the Executive Branch to bypass congress,  appointed cabinet members and agency heads to dismantle the government, and the GOP chooses to run a next generation Trumpist (oh let's just say Don Jr.)  who loses the popular vote and wins the electoral gerrymandering yet again, nobody's going to point to Archy1221 saying Trump wouldn't run for a third term as proof that things worked out swell. 
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I’m guessing you meant 2028 because he can’t step down in 2024 from a position he doesn’t occupy.  That said…..

1) Biden currently uses the Executive Branch to bypass Congress, so did Obama

2) Biden has appointed cabinet members to dismantle government agencies like Mayorkas has with CBP

3) what electoral gerrymandering?   Do you know how the EC works? 

 
Archy1221 said:
Nope.   And just so we are on the same page, Don the Con did not attempt a coup.  
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We can argue whether or not the J6 mob was acting on Trump's orders or wishes -- though he said he loved them and agreed with them and if the Secret Service is correct, Trump fully intended to lead the mob to the Capital voting chamber himself. Even setting that aside, Trump was busy with lawyers and operatives to see if he could lean on his own vice-president, various Secretaries of State, and his loyalist cabal to refuse to certify the duly elected president on 100% false pretenses, including 61 separate lawsuits. I didn't actually use the word "coup" btw but I'm just as comfortable with the word "treason."

So did the bulwarks of Democracy hold up against the guy you voted for twice? Yes, thank God. Even Trump-appointed judges realized there was nothing to the charges Trump had totally fabricated. America won! Well, except for the part where the entire GOP decided to endorse Don the Con (your words, not mine) and the 2024 litmus test for GOP candidates was slavish loyalty to Trump. As a DeSantis supporter, you saw how ugly and irrational that could get.

Back in that simpler time of American checks & balances, there were still 147 Republicans who voted to overturn the 2020 election results, which I would term at the very least "coup adjacent" and if Mike Pence had been as loyal as the Vice-President Trump is about to name, it could have devolved into serious chaos. You also can't be GOP House Speaker at this point unless you're a full on election denier and Trump fellator. In the intervening years, the Republicans willing to stand up to Trump have been run out of the party. Elected Republicans and about-to-be cabinet members are openly discussing armed resistance to a Democrat victory. 

It's no secret what Trump intends to do in his second term, and Project 2025 confirms it -- enlist a little used loophole to reclassify thousands of merit-based government jobs allowing them to be filled with executive loyalists. Do Democrats game the system to install their people? Sure. At this level, with this agenda? No. Save the time you would spend crafting a false equivalency and hug a child or do some gardening. 

Listen, Arch, I'm glad you take comfort that while Trump tried very hard to become an autocrat like the dictators he admires, the American Constitution held firm. My tinfoil paranoia simply notes how incredible and unprecedented the Trump era has been, and having been shown the man's worst impulses, the GOP has doubled down on him, and enough Americans appear willing to reelect him, and he is extremely likely to use this mandate to dismantle as many checks and balances as possible. That's not tin hat stuff. It's sitting there in plain daylight.

I went to the pain and trouble of agreeing with you — a third term is unlikely (if not quite Zero). But if you love this country and have in fact distanced yourself from Donald Trump, surely you can see that's not the only measure of the danger to democracy he has in store. 

Archy1221 said:
I’m guessing you meant 2028 because he can’t step down in 2024 from a position he doesn’t occupy.
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Yep. Typo.

 
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Guy Chamberlin said:
So did the bulwarks of Democracy hold up against the guy you voted for twice? Yes, thank God. Even Trump-appointed judges realized there was nothing to the charges Trump had totally fabricated. America won! Well, except for the part where the entire GOP decided to endorse Don the Con (your words, not mine) and the 2024 litmus test for GOP candidates was slavish loyalty to Trump. As a DeSantis supporter, you saw how ugly and irrational that could get.
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It is a shame that we don’t have Ron as the nominee.  He’s proven to get policies across the finish line, he’s a competent leader, and the race would be over by now in his favor.   
 

Guy Chamberlin said:
You also can't be GOP House Speaker at this point unless you're a full on election denier and Trump fellator
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I’m sure you are aware that Democrat leaders like Jamie Raskin and Hakeem Jefferies are election deniers in that they either did not vote to certify or they continue to call the 2016 election illegitimate.  So does Chuck Schumer, Hillary, Swallwell, etc, etc, etc…

Guy Chamberlin said:
Do Democrats game the system to install their people? Sure. At this level, with this agenda? No. Save the time you would spend crafting a false equivalency and hug a child or do some gardening. 
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We shall see I guess who will be right if Trump does win, but in the meantime, Your party literally runs on trying to disrupt established government norms like 9 SCOTUS judges, the way we elect a Commander in Chief, bypassing Congress and ignoring SCOTUS with ridiculous EO’s like the student loan debacle, ignoring immigration law….i don’t like gardening and hug my kids everyday.   I just try to avoid sniffing other kids like some in very very prominent government positions do.   
 

Guy Chamberlin said:
I went to the pain and trouble of agreeing with you — a third term is unlikely (if not quite Zero). But if you love this country and have in fact distanced yourself from Donald Trump, surely you can see that's not the only measure of the danger to democracy he has in store. 
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My worry of a Trump 2024 Presidency is a year or two of grievance politics similar to the Democrat controlled House in Trump years and the Republican controlled Congress in the Biden years.   There is little forward looking policy by the Republicans and only give away buying vote long term destructive policy by the Democrats.   I think Trump would continue that grievance politics in retaliation of the nonsense lawfare that’s been going on.  
 

I wanted a forward thinking President like Ron and now won’t get it.    

 
Scarlet said:
Normal for a presidential nominee.  We've lost of collective mind
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To be honest - I'm kind of disappointed in Liz.  She said she'd do all she could to make sure Trump doesn't get elected.  I haven't seen or heard much from her in some time.   

 
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