The Republican Utopia

[Nebfanatic]

No.  You actually couldn’t 

Yes I actually could. You make false claims such as claiming the economic crisis of 2008 is somehow Clinton's fault. You do this all of the time in every single fact based argument you get into. Trump when he took office increased the deficit every year more than Obama more than Bush more than Clinton. Obama had the stimulus of 2008 but did not increase the deficit after that, he lowered it and then maintained it. Trump is the only place on the graph with a steady trend line up before COVID. That's is absolutely true. You could argue Biden for sure but he hadn't been seen yet at that point in history. So I stand by my statement and again we can make it really easy and take out the COVID qualifier and he far and away drove up the deficit more than anyone else. But you can't bring yourself to say anything negative about the man even if what he runs on is complete BS and he will drive up the deficit just as much as a Democrat if not more. That  spending did have an effect on inflation in 22 23 24 and beyond. I'd say the bigger driver was COVID which cannot be blamed on Trump frankly but he also didn't help the situation by running a massive deficit that kept increasing before that point. 

 

[Archy1221]

All this hemming and hawing over the words doesn't change the facts. I guess you could take out before covid and my original statement would be completely true

Well, we’ve now reached the point in the discussion where words don’t matter, initial bold claims don’t matter and it’s just “Orange man bad so my original point stands”.    If you want to include covid spending as an indictment on his fiscal policy, then I assume you wanted the country to not shut down and the economy stay open??

Sooo You made a specific claim, I called you out on it and now want to discount your original claim but still say you are right. 
 

Obama trending down, Trump trending up

Earlier you stated Obama reduced the deficit every single year so which is it?   Trending down after mass stimulus spending which one would assume is a no brainer or your original claim of every single year? 
 

You literally just blamed the financial crash of 2008 on a President that was in office 8 years prior

No, I blamed it on the policy of Clinton and bush being asleep at the wheel.  This really isn’t in much dispute.  
 

Trump is just as bad

I’ve agreed with you three times now that Trump spent too much money.   Why do you not acknowledge this??

Like I said, that's what you'd expect from a Democrat but when a Republican does it it's OK huh?

Again, I’ve agreed with you that his fiscal policy was not good, and cuts should have been made.  I’ve said it multiple times in other threads 

 

[Archy1221]

You make false claims such as claiming the economic crisis of 2008 is somehow Clinton's fault

No, I did it was his policies that contributed to it and Bush admin for being asleep at the wheel while the issue was bubbling up through the years.  Please be accurate for a change. 
 

Trump when he took office increased the deficit every year more than Obama more than Bush more than Clinton.

Again, are you talking raw numbers or percentages?  Obamas last two budgets increased the yearly deficit over 50% from  ‘15 budget  to ‘17.  Trump increase from ‘17 to ‘19 was less than 50% increase.  Neither is good IMO. 
 

Obama had the stimulus of 2008 but did not increase the deficit after that, he lowered it and then maintained it

No..Bush had the ‘08 stimulus and is technically responsible for passing the FY ‘09 budget too.  Obama increased his deficit his last two years. 
 

 

[Archy1221]

So I stand by my statement and again we can make it really easy and take out the COVID qualifier and he far and away drove up the deficit more than anyone else. But you can't bring yourself to say anything negative about the man

Negative as on telling you three times he spent too much money?   Glad to know you don’t actually read what is written!  
 

And again, talk raw numbers or percentages.   Pick a lane because your original claim said as a percentage and Obama last two years grew faster than trumps first 2 years. 

 

[BigRedBuster]

I just found out something that is so f#&%ing disgusting.  One of my friends here in our home town is a Democrat.  He's a prominent lawyer in town.  He not some wacko Lib that rants about everything.  But, people know he and his wife are Democrats.  His Daughter lives here too and she's a Democrat also.  Again....doesn't make a big deal about it...but, in a small town in Nebraska, people know.

I was just told that her 6th grade son is getting bullied in school by other kids because of it.

So f#&%ing disgusting.  Great job Republicans!!!!!   :clap

 

[Archy1221]

Let's go ahead and put this "but muh Mitch McConnell" crybagging about Kari Lake to bed. 

Who did McConnell's PACs spend the most money on this cycle? Bernie Moreno, Tim Sheehy, and Dave McCormick.

Moreno and Sheehy were MAGA selections. Did McConnell just not know that when he dumped hundreds of millions of dollars into their races? Of course, he did. 

McConnell did that because the data said they were competitive. Sam Brown was exactly the kind of guy you'd think McConnell would want to support, right? But the data didn't say he was competitive so he only sent him $6 million.

It's easy to look in hindsight and say "BuT tHeY GoT So CloSe." That's not how it works when you're dividing finite monetary resources. No one spends millions of dollars on vibes. He also spent nothing on Larry Hogan. 

Lastly, McConnell doesn't owe anyone jack, much less Kari Lake. That's *his* fundraising network that he established with his connections. It was Lake's job to garner support, to build a fundraising network, and to establish relationships with donors. Instead, she thought living at Mar-a-Lago and being terminally online was a strategy. 

It failed. Again. Stop nominating her. Stop making excuses. Accept reality.

 

[DevoHusker]

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[BigRedBuster]

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[Archy1221]

Bulls#!t Jim.   Every Ethics Committee hearing outcome should be public.  
 

 

[BigRedBuster]

How does this guy still have a job?  Don't worry, that was a rhetorical question.

 

[BigRedBuster]

Bulls#!t Jim.   Every Ethics Committee hearing outcome should be public.  
 

:laughpound

 

[funhusker]

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i remember when Congress wanted to share d**k pics of a person who never served for the the political arm of government a day in his life because they felt it was so important because of his connections to the POTUS.

How times have changed!?!?

We live in a freaking cartoon.  God Bless DJT and his quest to burn the f#&%ing place down!

 

[Archy1221]

:laughpound

I’m not sure why you’re laughing at my post?   I think the report should come out for all to see.  I think every ethics investigation report should come out of Congress for all to see as I think all the money paid out on behalf of Congresspeople to settle lawsuits should be open for all people to see.  

 

[TGHusker]

How does this guy still have a job?  Don't worry, that was a rhetorical question.

I know the big school districts in the Tulsa area have pushed the 'Ignore" button.   He is a media grabbing, Trump loving cult member.  And once again all 77 counties in Okla voted for Trump.  That explains how this guy is where he is.  

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

No, I blamed it on the policy of Clinton and bush being asleep at the wheel.  This really isn’t in much dispute.  
 

Yes it is. 

Can you imagine a President stepping in and telling some of the most powerful members of the financial sector to stop making fistfuls of money because the investment device they invented was clearly too risky? Can you imagine them doing this BEFORE the collapse, as if the administration knew more about high finance than the high financiers who were already ignoring every warning sign?

No blame for the companies who lobbied for deregulation then took advantage of deregulation to do the exact things the regulators had warned about?

Are you advocating for Presidents to exert greater vigilance and regulation?