The NEW MU v. NU Thread

[Tiger of the Corn]

Yes, absolutely, we are. But this is one of the youngest teams in college football, and they're 4-0, which is the best they could hope for. They got up for a rivalry game against UI. Then, they slept walked against a couple of teams for a bit in Nevada and Bowling Green, but they turned it on once they saw it wasn't going to be a cake walk. Furman doesn't count. All of our starters were out by the start of the second half. That being said, you can bet their a$$ that we'll be up for you guys. We always get up to play Nebraska. It will be a dog fight.

Bob...I've already tried to explain this to them, so get ready for a shootdown.

My view of Mizzou so far.

In the Illinois game, the Illini (no matter how bad they are now) were expected to roll over Mizzou.

Analysts thought it.

Vegas thought it.

Mizzou had zero chance.

Mizzou played tremendously.

They were a very young team and they let success go to their head early.

BIG BIG let down against Bowling Green. Sleepwalking through the first half.

Showed tremendous moxie by coming back and winning.

Mizzou of the 80's - 90's would have rolled over like the Huskers did to Mizzou last year.

Furman, cakewalk.

Nevada. Once again, experts thought this was 'their' year.

There was scuttlebut about them possibly beating Notre Dame.

They wound up laying a couple of eggs and then................COME HOME......to play a Top 25 program.

Home team, trying to make a statement tries to hang with Mizzou. Can't.

A TD within the last 2 minutes makes it a respectable score.

I think Gary Pinkel has been playing it very close to the vest.

He's a smart dude that has been in the Big XII for 8-9 years now.

Did he think he was going to win the National Championship?

Hell no.

He has played very vanilla offensive and defensive schemes while his players mature.

I can guarantee you he'll have the young Tigers ready for the Huskers and the rest of the Big XII season.

Do you realize that Perry actually beat out Maclin back in '06? Be afraid.

 

[knapplc]

Timbo - look one post up. Your "young" Tigers are old men compared to Nebraska. This excuse is wearing thin already. Next excuse, please.

 

[Tiger of the Corn]

Yes, absolutely, we are. But this is one of the youngest teams in college football, and they're 4-0, which is the best they could hope for. They got up for a rivalry game against UI. Then, they slept walked against a couple of teams for a bit in Nevada and Bowling Green, but they turned it on once they saw it wasn't going to be a cake walk. Furman doesn't count. All of our starters were out by the start of the second half. That being said, you can bet their a$$ that we'll be up for you guys. We always get up to play Nebraska. It will be a dog fight.

As an FYI - Nebraska has a younger team than Missouri. Here's a breakdown of each team's rosters:

Year	MU	NU
FR	  29	40
RFR	 23	40
SO	  25	22
RSO	  7	 0
JR	  17	26
RJR	  2	 0
SR	  13	14
TOTAL  116	142

56% of Nebraska's roster are Freshmen or Redshirt Freshmen, compared to 45% of Missouri's. We have only one more Senior on our roster than Missouri. So these are both pretty young teams, and yet only one of us is using our youth as an explanation for why we've played erratically this year. A point to ponder.

Nice stats, Dahli Lama of the Huskerboard.

Now....what is the breakdown of the starting 22 + 2?

Or how about just key positions.

Please research and get back to me.

 

[knapplc]

Nice stats, Dahli Lama of the Huskerboard.

Now....what is the breakdown of the starting 22 + 2?

Or how about just key positions.

Please research and get back to me.

The fact of the matter is, I could post up about anything and you'd buy it - you don't do any real research, so you wouldn't know. Your posts are based on presumption and speculation which is why they're so easy to debunk.

 

[Igetbored216]

The fact of the matter is, I could post up about anything and you'd buy it - you don't do any real research, so you wouldn't know. Your posts are based on presumption and speculation which is why they're so easy to debunk.

Actually, he would probably just find some way to dismiss it.

 

[Tiger of the Corn]

The fact of the matter is, I could post up about anything and you'd buy it - you don't do any real research, so you wouldn't know. Your posts are based on presumption and speculation which is why they're so easy to debunk.

Actually, he would probably just find some way to dismiss it.

No, actually I wouldn't. Another example of a Husker fan trying to stir it.

Now...In the short time that I have 'known' knapp, I have come to respect his football knowledge and wouldn't think he would post trumped up stats and such. I would like to think that he would believe me as well. Even though I post some inflammatory remarks now and again, I don't post untruths.

Now....since I can't believe him anymore..............

 

[Igetbored216]

No, actually I wouldn't. Another example of a Husker fan trying to stir it.

I'm not trying to stir anything up. If you don't believe me, see one of the four or five Missou threads started. See how a Husker fan posts something and then you and other Missou fans find ways to dismiss our points that we are making? This goes on for several pages on numerous threads.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's a fact.

 

[HuskerGBR]

The fact of the matter is, I could post up about anything and you'd buy it - you don't do any real research, so you wouldn't know. Your posts are based on presumption and speculation which is why they're so easy to debunk.

Actually, he would probably just find some way to dismiss it.

No, actually I wouldn't. Another example of a Husker fan trying to stir it.

Now...In the short time that I have 'known' knapp, I have come to respect his football knowledge and wouldn't think he would post trumped up stats and such. I would like to think that he would believe me as well. Even though I post some inflammatory remarks now and again, I don't post untruths.

Now....since I can't believe him anymore..............

I am curious on your opinion here Tim. What is your feeling on this game? Did you have a better feeling last year than this year? Just wondering what Tiger fans are thinking...Are you guys a little more scared coming into this game compared to last year? Not being a jerk here either...I am really curious.

 

[knapplc]

Now...In the short time that I have 'known' knapp, I have come to respect his football knowledge and wouldn't think he would post trumped up stats and such. I would like to think that he would believe me as well. Even though I post some inflammatory remarks now and again, I don't post untruths.
Now....since I can't believe him anymore..............

You can believe everything I post concerning stats is either 100% true or at the very least intended to be true (I've been known to mess up a spreadsheet or two, but not often). I'd be happy to begin posting links to the sites I get my info from as well. But the bottom line is, I'm using stats and in-game information to base my opinions, while several of you Missouri fans are using supposition and gut feeling.

 

[DocNice]

Yes, absolutely, we are. But this is one of the youngest teams in college football, and they're 4-0, which is the best they could hope for. They got up for a rivalry game against UI. Then, they slept walked against a couple of teams for a bit in Nevada and Bowling Green, but they turned it on once they saw it wasn't going to be a cake walk. Furman doesn't count. All of our starters were out by the start of the second half. That being said, you can bet their a$$ that we'll be up for you guys. We always get up to play Nebraska. It will be a dog fight.

As an FYI - Nebraska has a younger team than Missouri. Here's a breakdown of each team's rosters:

Year	MU	NU
FR	  29	40
RFR	 23	40
SO	  25	22
RSO	  7	 0
JR	  17	26
RJR	  2	 0
SR	  13	14
TOTAL  116	142

56% of Nebraska's roster are Freshmen or Redshirt Freshmen, compared to 45% of Missouri's. We have only one more Senior on our roster than Missouri. So these are both pretty young teams, and yet only one of us is using our youth as an explanation for why we've played erratically this year. A point to ponder.

Try the 2 deep and get back to me.

 

[DocNice]

I think the problem you're having, and perhaps much of the rest of the country, is that you think Mizzou was just Daniel, Maclin, Coffman etc. Hey, Maclin is an otherworldly talent, and Coffman's as good a college tight end as you'll ever see. Daniel set such high marks it's hard to imagine even Gabbert breaking them.

That said, we didn't beat you just because of those players. If you didn't notice, we have one of the best receiving corps in the conference, even without Maclin. And our QB, even with occasional happy feet, is already one of the best in the country. Will he make mistakes? Of course, but we're not asking him to be perfect, only good enough to be the best in the North. We have the fastest defense we've ever had, good running backs, and a lot of nice things going for us even if our program never heard of the last 2 seasons. We are a good team.

If you want to dismiss us because you think our competition sucks, then have at it. But when you find out that we have talent all over the field and beat you way worse than VT did, don't say I didn't tell you. Can Nebraska beat Mizzou? Of course. You're a good team. But I really genuinely believe this. Missouri is better.

I think the problem you're having is you're assuming that, aside from Daniel, Maclin, Coffman, etc, that your talent level was THAT MUCH better than ours. It wasn't. Those three guys were very good, and had a great game against Nebraska, while the Huskers very much underperformed. We know that Missouri wasn't overly loaded with talent because several other teams were able to beat you last year - just not us. The gap between Nebraska and Missouri was so slight last year by season's end that you didn't even win the North outright - you took the "title" on a tiebreaker. Do you recall which team tied you for the North title?

You're looking solely at our game last year, remembering how your guys marched up and down the field on us, and how hapless we looked. You're ignoring the light turning on for our defense as it did against Texas Tech, and you're ignoring the Kansas team we pretty much shut down, a Kansas team that beat you, I'll remind you in case you've forgotten.

And no, I'm not dismissing you simply because your competition sucks. I'm downgrading you because against that crappy competition, you've looked unimpressive. Down at halftime to Bowling Green. One score away from a bad Nevada team in the fourth quarter. Giving up 400 yards of offense to Furman. Nobody is going to deny that Missouri has talent. What we’re questioning is what that talent is doing on the field. Last year Nebraska had talent with Swift & Peterson & Helu & Lucky & Potter & Ganzy… where did that get us? Shellacked by Missouri and Oklahoma, because they weren’t producing on the field.

Talent alone will not win you ballgames. Without execution talent is meaningless. To date, Missouri is under-executing on the field.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Mizzou WAS more talented outside those positions. And using Kansas as an example is a bad idea. They're our rivalry game and you can throw records out the window when they meet. There are so many upsets in the history of that game, in both directions (though Mizzou more often because we're usually better). Last year, we outgained them for the whole game and dominated the second half, while Reesing took advantage of the poor turf conditions to escape our pass rush. I know that's making excuses, but anyone who watched that game would have a hard time saying they'd win again, especially on another field.

Yes, you have to execute up to your talent level, but doing that will only get you so far. You still have to have the talent. Mizzou has it. Nebraska better have upgrade a whole lot from the last few years to say the same.

 

[Tiger of the Corn]

I am curious on your opinion here Tim. What is your feeling on this game? Did you have a better feeling last year than this year? Just wondering what Tiger fans are thinking...Are you guys a little more scared coming into this game compared to last year? Not being a jerk here either...I am really curious.

This is my OWN personal opinion.

Am I as confident as last year? Heck no.

I was in Lincoln last year and when Mizzou dominated from the opening snap, I was thinking it was expected.

Do I think the Huskers have improved? Of course, some....

Do I think Mizzou is as good as last year? Not quite, but the drop off is not drastic.

You have to remember this about Mizzou:

Gabbert better than Daniel but still maturing.

Wide Receivers are plug and play. Not much of a drop off.

Defense as a whole is better after last year's disaster.

Offensive line is incredibly young and will get better. I believe this is the key point.

Additionally, I truly believe Pinkel has some stuff up his sleeve and Mizzou is at home.

And Pelini's gum will put out a referee's eye.

 

[Tiger of the Corn]

No, actually I wouldn't. Another example of a Husker fan trying to stir it.

I'm not trying to stir anything up. If you don't believe me, see one of the four or five Missou threads started. See how a Husker fan posts something and then you and other Missou fans find ways to dismiss our points that we are making? This goes on for several pages on numerous threads.

I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but it's a fact.

Don't lump me in with the masses.

 

[hskerprid]

Yes, absolutely, we are. But this is one of the youngest teams in college football, and they're 4-0, which is the best they could hope for. They got up for a rivalry game against UI. Then, they slept walked against a couple of teams for a bit in Nevada and Bowling Green, but they turned it on once they saw it wasn't going to be a cake walk. Furman doesn't count. All of our starters were out by the start of the second half. That being said, you can bet their a$$ that we'll be up for you guys. We always get up to play Nebraska. It will be a dog fight.

Bob...I've already tried to explain this to them, so get ready for a shootdown.

My view of Mizzou so far.

In the Illinois game, the Illini (no matter how bad they are now) were expected to roll over Mizzou.

Analysts thought it.

Vegas thought it.

Mizzou had zero chance.

Mizzou played tremendously.

They were a very young team and they let success go to their head early.

BIG BIG let down against Bowling Green. Sleepwalking through the first half.

Showed tremendous moxie by coming back and winning.

Mizzou of the 80's - 90's would have rolled over like the Huskers did to Mizzou last year.

Furman, cakewalk.

Nevada. Once again, experts thought this was 'their' year.

There was scuttlebut about them possibly beating Notre Dame.

They wound up laying a couple of eggs and then................COME HOME......to play a Top 25 program.

Home team, trying to make a statement tries to hang with Mizzou. Can't.

A TD within the last 2 minutes makes it a respectable score.

I think Gary Pinkel has been playing it very close to the vest.

He's a smart dude that has been in the Big XII for 8-9 years now.

Did he think he was going to win the National Championship?

Hell no.

He has played very vanilla offensive and defensive schemes while his players mature.

I can guarantee you he'll have the young Tigers ready for the Huskers and the rest of the Big XII season.

Do you realize that Perry actually beat out Maclin back in '06? Be afraid.

I would say that your above statement would be considered"stirring it up" wouldn't you??

 

[HuskerGBR]

I am curious on your opinion here Tim. What is your feeling on this game? Did you have a better feeling last year than this year? Just wondering what Tiger fans are thinking...Are you guys a little more scared coming into this game compared to last year? Not being a jerk here either...I am really curious.

This is my OWN personal opinion.

Am I as confident as last year? Heck no.

I was in Lincoln last year and when Mizzou dominated from the opening snap, I was thinking it was expected.

Do I think the Huskers have improved? Of course, some....

Do I think Mizzou is as good as last year? Not quite, but the drop off is not drastic.

You have to remember this about Mizzou:

Gabbert better than Daniel but still maturing.

Wide Receivers are plug and play. Not much of a drop off.

Defense as a whole is better after last year's disaster.

Offensive line is incredibly young and will get better. I believe this is the key point.

Additionally, I truly believe Pinkel has some stuff up his sleeve and Mizzou is at home.

And Pelini's gum will put out a referee's eye.

Well this is my opinion

I am interested to see how Gabbert plays against Nebraska...back when Daniel was a sophomore I remember he had some flashes, but he looked like he was inexperienced a bit. Is this going to be the same for Gabbert? I will be watching closely to see how he handles himself...that will really show me how special that kid is cause I think he is a pretty special QB.

WR's no doubt that is a Pinkel plug and play spot...TE's though. I don't really see a Coffman type there. And the big one...does anyone really have the game changing factor like Maclin did? You have to admit he was pretty special, but there are guys who can do a solid job no doubt about that.

Defense wise...I am still on a wait and see for your Tigers. I like the speed and athletes you have, but how well are they communicating with each other and playing their assignments? I am still on a wait and see here, because it seems like they have a few things they need to iron out so I have to say, "how soon will they get consistent."

I agree though that the drop off isn't that bad for you guys and probably improved in other areas. I kind of lost faith in Phil Steele when he placed you guys below Kansas State...I mean really Phil what were smoking when you wrote that. I know we lost to V-Tech, but that game gave me a lot of confidence going into this game...now I am wondering, "how well do we do against a real passing team." Any thoughts from Mizzou fans is more than welcome on what I said.