Starting job up for grabs as QBs test new offense

[walksalone]

As far as rhetoric about the QB race goes, I don't really put too much stock into that. Martinez is about as likely to lose his starting job as Alfonzo Dennard, if you ask me. The coaches are always going to say the QB race is open, just like every other position.

what if T-Mart can't run the offense? I know that's a horrible thing to say, but what if he just flat out can't do it, whether he can't make the necessary throws, make changes at the line, etc...

Then are you just gonna pull a Watson, and keep doing the same thing over and over even though it's getting shut down...

 

[Hujan]

Beck sounds really vague, that makes me nervous...receivers winging it, changing the terminology, tweaking things? sure sounds like a rudderless offensive scheme to me,

i wonder if Beck knows what he is doing? he sounds more focused on leadership issues? doesn't talk about a skill set in his qb......better be more to this than running the option out of 10 different formations or we are busted!........also not sure how we had good stuff, but could never get to it.... :dunno

No one said the receivers are winging it. They are just going to run option routes where the route will change based on the coverage. Whereas a WCO requires that the receiver run to a specific spot no matter what, it sounds like Beck is going to give the receiver the option to run to, say, one of two spots depending on how the coverage stacks up.

Regarding good stuff that we couldn't get to, I think this is pretty straightforward. There were good plays in the quiver--the TD pass to Legate early in the season, the QB draw that lead to a huge gain against K State, any sort of throw to McNeill--that seemed to get lost in the playbook. We'd see them every once in a blue moon, but then they'd disappear again.

 

[zoogs]

Option routes are not a part of the West Coast Offense?

 

[walksalone]

Option routes are not a part of the West Coast Offense?

Dude, stop...

We've got to keep the Big 1G fooled....

 

[Hujan]

Option routes are not a part of the West Coast Offense?

I suppose your options (pun not intended) are as follows:

1) Beck is lying about the absence of options under our past OC in order to create an impression that Watson is a fool; or

2) Watson did not utilize option routes in his scheme.

Either way, it seems the only way you get out of this is calling one of our OCs---past or present---incompetent or a liar. Good luck with that.

 

[zoogs]

Oh yes, I am not arguing the point of whether option routes will be a part of the offense next year, or whether it was or wasn't a part of the offense last year. I am just talking about West Coast Offense. Actually just asking. I thought that's the kind of thing that would be really integral to a timing offense that places high mental demand both on the receiver and the QB to read defenses. I thought it was something done away with recently in the 'simplify the offense' stuff.

So color me skeptical when we are going to get much more simpler but add that stuff back in.

If we manage to really pull tihs ooff, what a coup it will be for Beck.

But this isn't really about either of our OCs. Option routes are not exclusive to WCO, I am sure. But that is almost like saying, "Now that we don't run a WCO, we might see screen passes." Or slants. Has me scratching my head a bit, because I think it has little to do with terminology or philosophy.

 

[Hercules]

As far as rhetoric about the QB race goes, I don't really put too much stock into that. Martinez is about as likely to lose his starting job as Alfonzo Dennard, if you ask me. The coaches are always going to say the QB race is open, just like every other position.

what if T-Mart can't run the offense? I know that's a horrible thing to say, but what if he just flat out can't do it, whether he can't make the necessary throws, make changes at the line, etc...

Then are you just gonna pull a Watson, and keep doing the same thing over and over even though it's getting shut down...

Don't see it happening. They're designing the new offense FOR guys like Taylor Martinez, Carnes, Turner. Martinez will thrive.

 

[I am I]

Brandon kinnie has come out and said that even as late in the season as the B12 CCG, they were still 'running to spots' instead of adjusting to coverage. Hence the tight coverage on the 4th down play at the end. Watsgrove kept it simple by not allowing for much improvisation, it seemed to me. Beck seems to be saying that he's going to make it simple by calling plays and letting Players make plays instead of the plays making plays.

Adding option routes is actualy pretty simple, we used to run them in HS. If the coverage man is on the left, break right...get it? Practice and chemistry is what it takes. Wastgrove didn't improvise plays and didn't allow his players to improvise. That's why it was all or nothing. Beck sounds like he's teaching a system, in which players are allowed to make things happen even if the defense seems positioned to stop it.

The players seem excited that even if a play breaks down they'll still be able to make something happen, like gee imagine, roll out of the pocket or change a route from a hook to a fly? Wow, great athletes using their ability instead of being handcuffed to the drawing on the paper. It allows them to actually compete every single play. And if u say watsgrove allowed that, go rewatch the Texas or Iowa state games. Our kids were not competing. They were just running plays, many of which weren't executed.

 

[zoogs]

They're designing the new offense FOR guys like Taylor Martinez, Carnes, Turner. Martinez will thrive.

OK - but those guys have some different skillsets between them.

I'll admit, I have no clue what's going on and it will be interesting to watch.

I think that last year, a lot of the offense was designed around Martinez. In the sense that a lot of the the stripping down and limiting of the offense was related to Martinez. This year, it'll be a different philosophy. Whoever starts, it will be an offense built from the ground up in the spring, that the best man for the job will slide into. It helps that the incumbent starter and his challengers are similar on some levels.

I disagree with I am I a little though. Option routes isn't exactly letting players improvise. It's more of a strict "if he does this, you do that" thing, where it's critical for two players to be on the absolute same page - QB and WR. Seems like executing within a strict set of rules. Not arguing that Beck doesn't seem to be an 'improvise' and 'make plays' kinda guy, just saying that option routes don't strike me as the best singular example of that.

I am sure we had those routes in years past, especially in 2008, when we had a QB that had command of the offense (as well as WRs that were mentally sharp and in the game). I think they were taken out for a reason, and it's up to debate whether that's a good reason or not.

 

[walksalone]

As far as rhetoric about the QB race goes, I don't really put too much stock into that. Martinez is about as likely to lose his starting job as Alfonzo Dennard, if you ask me. The coaches are always going to say the QB race is open, just like every other position.

what if T-Mart can't run the offense? I know that's a horrible thing to say, but what if he just flat out can't do it, whether he can't make the necessary throws, make changes at the line, etc...

Then are you just gonna pull a Watson, and keep doing the same thing over and over even though it's getting shut down...

Don't see it happening. They're designing the new offense FOR guys like Taylor Martinez, Carnes, Turner. Martinez will thrive.

You can design till the cows come home, but if the horse can't pull the cart, are you gonna get a different horse, or change the cart?

 

[suh_fan93]

As far as rhetoric about the QB race goes, I don't really put too much stock into that. Martinez is about as likely to lose his starting job as Alfonzo Dennard, if you ask me. The coaches are always going to say the QB race is open, just like every other position.

I feel the exact same way. I have my own opinion on how things will go down but yeah, Martinez will be our starter. I don't really feel it's as 'open' as Beck claims it is and for various reasons.

 

[knapplc]

There is no way Zac Lee doesn't start this year. He was our starter all last year, gutted it out through injury and crappy line play, and he's got the edge in experience over every other guy on our roster. Double-Dog guaranteed that Lee starts.

Wait... what year is this again?

 

[skersfan]

If the kid is healed up, he is our starter I would bet, but I bet on Lee last year.

I honestly doubt there will be much change to our offense. I do not expect miracles this year. More talk, less action as it has been for the last 7 years.

I do not see how you can completely change your offense in that short of a period and be successful in the Big Ten.

We will see soon enough I guess.

 

[SuperBigFan69]

Option routes can and I assume will be simplified. It can and probably will be like this

If the DB is off, you run short routes, slants, hooks.

If the DB is tight, you run fade, pump and go, deep in

Now, it wont be that simple but that is probably the basica idea behind, or at the very least that is how I have seen it at the high school level. It is usually really easy in high school because most defenses do not jump in and out of looks, college, not so much. This is where film breakdown comes into play, something that the Pelinis seem to be masters of, not sure if Beck is but he could be.

Then again, like with most of the things I think, I could be totally wrong.

 

[bshirt]

As far as rhetoric about the QB race goes, I don't really put too much stock into that. Martinez is about as likely to lose his starting job as Alfonzo Dennard, if you ask me. The coaches are always going to say the QB race is open, just like every other position.

what if T-Mart can't run the offense? I know that's a horrible thing to say, but what if he just flat out can't do it, whether he can't make the necessary throws, make changes at the line, etc...

Then are you just gonna pull a Watson, and keep doing the same thing over and over even though it's getting shut down...

Don't see it happening. They're designing the new offense FOR guys like Taylor Martinez, Carnes, Turner. Martinez will thrive.

Yep.

I very seriously doubt Beck's going to put a rocket ship on the bench. It's his job to create an offense that successfully uses the playmakers we have to score TDs under Bo's general theme of a run-first offense. If he can't hack that he's yet another total failure as an OC.

Tmart is almost certainly the most explosive player we have. He knows that and will adjust accordingly. It should work to Carnes & Turner's skill sets too.