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12 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Doubt many of you were in New Hampshire in the 1990s by Lamar was the Bernie of his day.

 

If by that you mean the two men were candidates for the Presidency, that's pretty much where the similarity ends. 

 

Lamar Alexander ran as moderate in a field of conservatives, had a third place finish in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and soon dropped out of the race, leaving the field of Bob Dole challengers to the more extremist ideologue Pat Buchanan and independent technocrat Steve Forbes, the Mike Bloomberg of his day. What was your point again?

 

Don't know how old you are, Joe, but I'm pretty sure I can take you down in any decade of your choosing. 

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26 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

If by that you mean the two men were candidates for the Presidency, that's pretty much where the similarity ends. 

 

Lamar Alexander ran as moderate in a field of conservatives, had a third place finish in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and soon dropped out of the race, leaving the field of Bob Dole challengers to the more extremist ideologue Pat Buchanan and independent technocrat Steve Forbes, the Mike Bloomberg of his day. What was your point again?

 

Don't know how old you are, Joe, but I'm pretty sure I can take you down in any decade of your choosing. 

 

 

Mr. Plaid himself. I had kind of forgotten about his presidential bid.

 

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14 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

If by that you mean the two men were candidates for the Presidency, that's pretty much where the similarity ends. 

 

Lamar Alexander ran as moderate in a field of conservatives, had a third place finish in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and soon dropped out of the race, leaving the field of Bob Dole challengers to the more extremist ideologue Pat Buchanan and independent technocrat Steve Forbes, the Mike Bloomberg of his day. What was your point again?

 

Don't know how old you are, Joe, but I'm pretty sure I can take you down in any decade of your choosing. 

Lamar was hailed as a rock star that year, the hype just didn't translate into a lot of NH votes. Maybe the DS are more prone to be swept off their feet by the exciting candidate.

 

The only thing that needs taken down is the Iowa Caucus Cluster

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5 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Lamar was hailed as a rock star that year, the hype just didn't translate into a lot of NH votes. Maybe the DS are more prone to be swept off their feet by the exciting candidate.

 

The only thing that needs taken down is the Iowa Caucus Cluster

Did you just imply that republicans are less likely to “be swept off their feet by an exciting candidate”?

 

seriously???  

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9 hours ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

Lamar was hailed as a rock star that year, the hype just didn't translate into a lot of NH votes. Maybe the DS are more prone to be swept off their feet by the exciting candidate.

 

The only thing that needs taken down is the Iowa Caucus Cluster

 

Are you actually doubling down? Have you ever been to a rock concert? 

 

You have yet to cite the slightest similarity between Lamar Alexander and Bernie Sanders. 

 

The moderate Republican with the third place finishes and early primary exit, versus the populist firebrand filling arenas for the second straight election? 

 

You might be able to make a case for Pat Buchanan that same 1996 election. He caught a little fire and hype coming in from the extremist wing, but was never a serious threat to defeat Bob Dole. 

 

I do hope you will continue to be a conservative voice on here, but let's start bringing the A game. 

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Attention all Constitution experts.
 

 I have to get your take on something that’s probably splitting hairs, but bugs me nonetheless.  
If the House has sole power of impeachment, doesn’t the fact that when Senator’s stating that their duty is to determine if the allegations are”impeachable “ essentially diminish the power of impeachment from the house?  

 

In other words, they are not really “jurors “ if all they do is reaffirm or in this case disaffirm the House’s decision.  

 

Jurors hear the case, consider the evidence and then decide if guilty or not guilty. As opposed to whether the crime fits the punishment.  

 

I get that with impeachment there are numerous dissimilarities from a traditional criminal trial, but I feel the term “juror “ is misused here.  This, plus anytime a senator or anyone says what Trump did was not impeachable, they are undeniably wrong.  Only the House can impeach and impeached he was.  

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22 minutes ago, Decoy73 said:

Attention all Constitution experts.
 

 I have to get your take on something that’s probably splitting hairs, but bugs me nonetheless.  
If the House has sole power of impeachment, doesn’t the fact that when Senator’s stating that their duty is to determine if the allegations are”impeachable “ essentially diminish the power of impeachment from the house?  

 

In other words, they are not really “jurors “ if all they do is reaffirm or in this case disaffirm the House’s decision.  

 

Jurors hear the case, consider the evidence and then decide if guilty or not guilty. As opposed to whether the crime fits the punishment.  

 

I get that with impeachment there are numerous dissimilarities from a traditional criminal trial, but I feel the term “juror “ is misused here.  This, plus anytime a senator or anyone says what Trump did was not impeachable, they are undeniably wrong.  Only the House can impeach and impeached he was.  

I'm not a constitutional expert by any stretch.  But, let me explain it this way.

 

In many criminal cases, there is a grand jury that is brought together to decide if the person should be indicted on what they are being accused of.  Then, if they decide they should be indicted (Impeached) it then goes to a  jury trial where both sides present their cases to the judge and jury to decide guilty or not guilty.  

 

This is very similar. The house, in essence, is the grand jury.  The Senate is the open court case to decide guilty or not guilty.

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