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One more thing, we are questioning a coach that went 13-0 last year, and that team is now 7-0 this year. They are very close to being in Play Off consideration at this point. He walked away from that for Nebraska, that means you and me and his true love for this program. He deserves better in every aspect. He looks very disappointed, down and wondering, and has to be thinking why did I do this. Let's act like Nebraska fans and let him know he did make the right choice and we all appreciate it. Stand by him and the team, they need us more today than they ever have.

Come on. This years team would kill last years team. Tanner lee would throw 4 picks, 2 of the pick 6 variety.

I am a big believer in looking at data when looking at bringing in new members of the coaching staff. When Diaco was hired in early 2017 I was pretty critical of the hire as the data did not paint a good picture of his track record outside of one standout season at Notre Dame in 2012. I was also skeptical of Frost's selection of Chinander given what the data showed, but I was willing to give Chinander the benefit of the doubt. In my mind having a dominant defense is more important to becoming a championship team than having a stellar offense. Here is a quick look at where the last 5 national champions finished in Team Defense. 2017-Alabama finished 1st 2016-Clemson finished 15th 2015-Alabama finished 3rd 2014-Ohio State finished 29th 2013-Florida State finished 7th Now here are the finishes as an assistant in D1 football. 2010-Oregon finished 36th 2011-Oregon finished 96th 2012-Oregon finished 50th 2013-Went to NFL for one season 2014-Oregon finished 102nd 2015-Oregon finished 115th 2016-UCF finished 46th 2017-UCF finished 91st 2018-Nebraska is 70th So the defensive philosophy Chin learned under at Oregon had one top 40 finish but spent most seasons in the bottom half of D1 defenses. His 3 seasons as a DC at UCF and Nebraska put him around 70th in D1. I understand Frost has a long history with Chinander, but I think he needs to take a step back and assess whether his defensive background is what is needed to get Nebraska back to competing for championships. http://www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defense/sort/totalYards

Doesn't seem like the worst team in husker history to me. Team with the worst record in husker history, sure.

I put a lot of this on Chin today. I mentioned last week that my biggest complaint was playing too much base personnel and not matching up with the offense enough. We continued to ask Aaron Williams to cover Nagel despite him getting burned over and over again. Williams even gave up completions on two plays where he got penalties. He couldn't even cover him when he held or interfered. Nagel had almost as many receiving yards today as any other NW receiver has on the SEASON. WHY COULD WE NOT PUT SOMEONE ELSE ON HIM??? WHY COULD WE NOT BRING IN ERIC LEE OR CAM TAYLOR OR ANYONE ELSE TO TRY TO COVER HIM??? WHY DID WE INSIST ON COVERING THEIR BEST RECEIVER WITH A SAFETY??? Instead, we just kept doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. There was no different result and it was a major reason that we lost.

Lots of awful takes here. We should shut the board down

I said I would be the first to admit that I was wrong about Oz if he proved me wrong and here I am to say I was very impressed with him yesterday. He had some really good stats against Purdue but I think the OL should get most of that credit so I was still hesitant. However he had several really good runs against Northwestern. They were runs that he was actually getting more than what was there and several times a lot more. He had some good cuts to get around people and got good yards after contact - not just the 2-3 that he usually gets but breaking a tackle and getting a chunk more. Congrats to him. Hopefully he and Washington can be a great combination the rest of the season.

Statwise and eyeball test, they would kill last year's team. JMHO

I know you keep lowering the bar for Scott Frost, but it's quite a stretch that a slightly stiffer defense against Ohio State will prove this isn't the worst season in 129 years of Nebraska football. Frost's team is 0 - 6, literally the most penalized team in the country, with the near-worst turnover margin, scoring efficiency and scoring defense. I don't regret the Frost hire a bit and think things will get fun again in the next couple years but honestly: Did you believe Scott Frost wouldn't coach up the talent at Nebraska better than Mike Riley this season?

Why this spread? Because Vegas, unlike some of the supposed Nebraska “fans” in other threads, have seen what most of the sane, rational fan base has witnessed—that there has been progress made, that the team is getting better, and they’re getting close to turning the corner. And lest anyone forget...Vegas is in the business of making money. They have zero f***s to give about the feelings of Nebraska fans. They’re using their own eyeballs and making a judgement call.

I'll eat crow as well. He's the not ideal back for this O, but he's stepping up to the challenge and succeeding. We are lucky to have him this year.

This was the first of many falsehoods in the post

I was thinking the same thing after the game. Against CU, Frost stayed aggressive, NU lost and Frost was criticized. Against NW, he was more conservative, put the game in the hands of his defense, and NU still lost. Frost is struggling to figure out what he has in this team. Some people think that it’s him being in over his head, but if a player makes a play or two in a few games, NU could be 2-4 or 3-3. Is that great, no, but it’s better than the current situation. I think Frost is trying to get the kids a few wins this season, and it’s just not happening.

Can anyone tell me how many flags were thrown on the last two drives against Nebraska? Including the ones that were declined? I watched the Louisiana State game after the Nebraska game and focused on the pass rush and PI calls made and noticed a big difference in the level of play permitted from the SEC and the Big officials. Look at the lack of calls when Nebraska was putting pressure on the QB and no call for throwing the ball in the dirt, sure there was a player close but he was in no position to catch the ball, happened twice on the second to last drive. This is called in the other conferences but not in the BIG. The same holds true for the Pac twelve and the Big twelve. The ruffing the passer penalty on the one yard line is a case in point. The SEC officials let the players play the game. Looks like the Big officials control the pace of play, the speed of play and the game itself. It sure seems like the flags come out when the game is on the line and a team from the old big ten needs to score or a team needs to stop a team from scoring. I watched many Big games this year and had this though in almost every game. Several friends have noticed the same type of officiating through the season. I don't think this is random and is something that needs to be addressed.

You took that comment completely out of context. He meant players are doing stupid things that he's never seen at this level of competition,eg…..bad snaps, stupid penalties, stupid calls by the refs.....

After listening to Scott Frost and reading quotes from the players ("We did it all on defense, and yet we lost") I have learned that the standards are low on that team. Unless the coaches and players are delusional. Didn't they notice the 250 yards gained on them in the fourth quarter? The 90 yards in penalties? Etc. I'm disgusted.

Something like half of the players from the most highly rated class are not in Lincoln.

I posted this in another thread. But it ticked me off enough all through the second half - not just at the end of the game - that I'm posting it again here. Plus, it actually fits better here anyway. I put a lot of this on Chin today. I mentioned last week that my biggest complaint was playing too much base personnel and not matching up with the offense enough. We continued to ask Aaron Williams to cover Nagel despite him getting burned over and over again. Williams even gave up completions on two plays where he got penalties. He couldn't even cover him when he held or interfered. Nagel had almost as many receiving yards today as any other NW receiver has on the SEASON. WHY COULD WE NOT PUT SOMEONE ELSE ON HIM??? WHY COULD WE NOT BRING IN ERIC LEE OR CAM TAYLOR OR ANYONE ELSE TO TRY TO COVER HIM??? WHY DID WE INSIST ON COVERING THEIR BEST RECEIVER WITH A SAFETY??? Instead, we just kept doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. There was no different result and it was a major reason that we lost.

Perhaps learning the name of our quarterback would be a good place to start.

Anyone else concerned about lack of offensive play makers? Not so much this year, because well we're 0-6, but next year? Looking at next year we have JD, AMart and Mo. After that we're banking on guys on the roster who haven't shown jack$h!t and a bunch of recruits. Who can step up? Where the hell is Miles Jones, they preached all winter/spring he was going to make a difference day one. We need playmakers in a bad way.

Great points all around. I think that the perception of talent being there is based on recruiting, spring game and coach speak. Not a lot accomplished yet by any skill player not named JD or Stan...The top recruited Juco back quit leaving a void for next year with the graduation of Oz. No TE taking charge and no real QB depth behind AM...... But, next year will have guys on both sides of the ball with another year of S&C, that will hopefully have us not only surpassing our own previous records, but actually gaining on and surpassing our foes. The D should be better with Honas and Mo inside as well as another year for Daniels in the S&C. Hoping some of the younger guys can step up and stay healthy next year. I really think this team will make a decent jump from another year, another recruiting class and perhaps the biggest jump will come from the staff stepping back and seeing what they can do to evolve in their methods as well. I’m not expecting to play for the conference, but we should be competitive across the board with fewer mistakes, miscues and general stupidity.

It’s a message board so I get it, but it doesn’t make it any easier for me to understand why so many have forgotten how bad last years team was. They couldn’t tackle, one of the worst in country in sacks and TFLs, they threw touchdown passes to the other team, they thought games were 2.5 quarters long, they couldn’t return a punt. Ohio State didnt punt once against Huskers. They are better in every aspect of the game....except penalties. They are not good enough to overcome the massive number of penalties they get. They are not good enough to have turnovers. They might claim the worst record this year, but 2017 has set the bar for poor teams.

SAD Thread! But, if this is the type of thread that makes some of you feel better about yourself, about your fandom, about anything, then go for it! Everyone is intitled to have their own opinion, on coaches, players, fans, so by all means, feel free to vent, if it gets you through another day, week, month or season. I don’t like where our record says we are, but I see progress, not perfection, but progress!

You're right that we haven't seen anything from anyone else. But I'm not yet worried that we don't have them. It seems like right now they are mainly going with the proven guys in large part because we've needed every good play we can get, often playing from behind. Tough to take you're best guys off the field when we've been in games like we've had so far. And I think the other big factor is the other guys still figuring everything out enough to be trusted to be put on the field as opposed to not having good skills. Basically more mental than physical. But hopefully with another offseason and Spring Ball there will be several who are ready to go next year. I think Mike Williams will show more the rest of this season - he finally had a couple nice plays yesterday. Woodyard, Jones and Hunt are all guys who seem to be close but injuries have slowed and just aren't quite there yet.

Count me in as one who had serious doubts about Ozigbo and didn’t think he had this type of ability. He is making runs this year that he couldn’t make before. I give him full credit for getting in better shape and taking on the competition that was brought in at I-back. He accepted the challenge and has flourished.

Two other college teams? Sports bigamist.

For a stat based look, S&P+ currently has 2018 Nebraska ranked nearly 40 spots higher than 2017.

Now if we're still seeing this type of play in year 3, then Houston we have have a problem. Coach Frost and his coaches should be given a mulligan for this year.

There is no doubt the coaching staff made some bad decisions today. Big picture stuff is the responsibility of the head coach and his chosen assistants, and they didn't live up to that responsibility today at crucial times. There is no doubt the players made some bad decisions today. They weren't able to fulfill their responsibilities when it mattered most. I get a little sick of threads popping up "Who takes the blame for this" or "Who is to blame, the players or the coaches." Why does there have to be any blame, in .a college football game. Why are we so quick to be judgmental and demand blame be assigned? It is such a negative and needless approach. "Well, that didn't go the way I wanted, I have to blame someone!!!" We've got a long way to go, on both the player / talent area and the coaching area. After years of mediocre players (every team had some good players, but if you watch the top teams, their have high quality players at almost every position, not four or five positions) and mediocre coaching, I think we've lulled ourselves into the belief that we are just one excellent coach or a couple of five stars away from 'being back'. As a fan, it is my responsibility to recognize that, cheer for the team and coaches and be patient as they grow into their responsibilities.

I think you missed the point, the penalties called in the Big Ten are not being called in the other conferences. When you have such a vast difference in the number of calls on one side as as apposed to the other it make you wonder what the -- -- is going on.

I spent 20 minutes this morning trying to convince myself to become an LSU fan. It would be so easy. I’ve lived in Louisiana for 10+ years, everyone I know is an LSU Super-fans andantes are alumni, I would be included in casual conversations, I could go to home games, I could feel winning again, I would have something common with my neighbors. But it I just can’t. The thought makes me so sick I’d rather just not watch football. Maybe I like the whoa is me attitude and I certainly look terrible in purple so this program is stuck with me.

Honestly, I have no idea what games you are watching. Is Martinez perfect, far from it. But the amount of criticism people want to put on him is getting out of hand.

I’m sorry. There is no way the worst start in Husker history isn’t worse than Mike Riley’s 4-8. If this staff manages to get to 4-8 or so, it’s a different discussion

Not exactly the same, but James Franklin really took off at PSU when he hired Joe Moorhead. He listened to a presentation about offense from Moorhead at a conference when he was head coach at Fordham, was inspired and offered him the job when it was open. This kind of acknowledging your own strengths and weaknesses and going outside your comfort zone to address them is the stuff the greatest coaches are made of. Loyalty is great, but so is proactive improvement.

This is the worst team record-wise after 6 games in the history of Nebraska football. Mike Riley was perfectly capable of losing every game last season. He wasn't far from that. Frost is not far from having won 2 or 3 of the games this season. We have players with individual stats that are better than this point last season. So I'd say there is evidence of improved coaching. I still hope we make Ohio State punt this year......

How dare players 6 games into yet another new scheme not be perfect! My take is that people are assuming that the players themselves have been well coached for years and expected to know all new concepts. Maybe the schemes we're seeing is all they know ... SO FAR. Maybe the staff isn't comfortable with installing the more complex things that are more effective because the players haven't quite grasped the mere basics yet. There are so many hours they can spend with them. And maybe 3 years of laxidaisical weekly prep along with S&C can't be fixed in one off season. I trust that it will all get better for BOTH scheme AND personnel, but won't be THIS year.

Now do Ohio St., they're the 16th most penalized team in the nation.

The only conspiracy is the segment of fans wanting to use “poor officiating” as an excuse to cover poor play and boneheaded decisions by these players out there. that was roughing the passer to give them space from their end zone, their were countless defensive holds or PIs and when they weren’t called they were most likely getting burned. Those were, for the billionth time, untimely false starts that do nothing but derail an offense built on tempo and moving the sticks. If you want to be realistic on what’s wrong- take ownership of things this team can control which are acknowledging we have a “deep” rotation on the D line where everyone is average (at best), a secondary that is physically outmatched and even more outmatched in the mental/technical aspect of the position, and an o line that qualifies as an embarrassment... for Christ sake- they opened the game with a damn penalty, ended the game with a penalty and a f’n fumbled snap. I’m baffled as to how this position group is seen as leaders on the team. Though perhaps that explains how this team is in this situation- if you’re led by an inept group of players that epitomizes losing football then chances are strong your team defines losing football.

Forgotten what? Your record trumps all, and neither of those coaches were ever remotely close to 0-6. I'm firmly in Frost's corner, but any criticism is fair. He's been completely underwhelming, and needs to be a lot better. If you want to obliviously ride his **** into the sunset, have at it. Meanwhile, I'll stay in his corner, while trying to hold him to the standard that he laid out for this program.

The coaches have to own all the criticism at this point. Regardless of who is giving it to them

We gave up 36.4 ppg last year - 166 points in the last 3 games alone. We came closer to WI than we did last year, and I think we will make Ohio St punt at least once which we haven't made them do in the last 2 seasons. I also don't think both Minnesota and Iowa will score over 50 points on us like last year. As mentioned we had zero pass rush last season, gotten slightly better. We have the worst secondary I've ever seen at Nebraska. We have on okay D line if we were in a 4-3 but we aren't. Somehow we expect them to play 3 on 5 and get to the QB. Gifford is okay, but without Ferguson on the other side that LB has been non existent the last few weeks. The athletes are for sure lacking on defense and it shows. In time Taylor, Tannor, Daniels and Jones will be upgrades. I don't care about Riley anymore. He left us with a flat out mediocre team. He took over a 9 win team, not a down spiraled 4 win team with all the 'top' recruits bailing. We beat: Arkansas St Rutgers Illinois Purdue I hate losing more than anyone trust me, but this team isn't quite as bad as our 0-6 record shows. I still have no worry we will look completely different even next season. Doesn't mean we will win the B10, but we for sure will make people settle down as a fan base. It's going to take time for us to get Frost kids in and let them get experience, weight room etc. Going to be a complete over haul.

Yeah it really benefits the big 10 financially to have Nebraska loose. I mean missing out on bowl games and looking like s#!t probably does wonders when they negotiate tv deals. Or maybe their not conspiring against Nebraska. Maybe this is a undisciplined team that lacks talent and sucks all by itself. Actually I'm sure its in the big10's interest if the only traditional power in the entire western division would stop shooting its self in the dick with a bazooka every game.

I thought Scott Frost's post-game comments of "I'm seeing things I've never seen before" was his first admission that he's way in over his head. As a coach. As a recognizer of talent, and a developer of skills. . I'm sure he's known this for years, too, and that's why God invented Good Assistant Coaches. Learning to tell Bad from Good, however, is something else Scott Frost hasn't learned yet. But give him time - in 10-15 years, he'll get it.

You're not going to eat Frost alive because you threw him under the bus. I wouldn't eat that either. Let me touch on some of your takes: -Scott Frost should stop distancing himself from this team. He should have taken some responsibility for the loss. He also threw his d coordinator under the bus What exactly do you want him to say. This cracks me up every time I see a person say it. The guy is pissed off because they just blew a 14 point lead and lost in the way they did. He's human. And what did he say that was wrong? His defense DID give up a 99 yard TD drive in regulation to lose the game. Yes, it's a team effort, but ONE play?!? Make ONE play on Defense, they win that game. -Scott Frost and Co. came to Nebraska with hubris and arrogance. Frost still acts detached from this team, but asks for their trust. See the disconnect. He's got former coaching staff members trying to poach his team, and those coaches have sway with a majority of the kids he is coaching. Again, cut the guy some slack. -Why did it take until AFTER the Colorado game for Nebraska to ask for a waiver for Noah Vedral. I thought Bill Moos was this great administrator Moos is the same guy who brought Mike Leach to Pullman Washington, and put them back on the map. He makes better decisions than you do as a keyboard warrior, apparently. -Stop blaming the refs. The refs ain't the reason we are 0-6. Probably the only thing you've said up to this point that I almost 100% agree with, but if you poll the B1G, everybody says this conference has the worst officiating. -I don't get why Wyatt Mazour doesn't get any carries. Like none. Do you go to the practices? Start, and you can answer this question. -These seniors have been through so many coaching changes. They've deserved better. So, you lay this at the feet of the current staff, eh? Not at the feet of a guy who was a hot headed, egotistical blowhard? Not at the feet of a guy who didn't seem to put a premium on winning? Riiiiiight..... -I'm glad the Huskers benched Caleb L., but what does Pickering have to do to lose his job? Does he have compromising photos of Frost?!?! You must work for the USA Today. The guy is a FRESHMAN KICKER. FRESHMAN. I tell ya this - he punts a hellofalot better than Lightborn. -Frost doing the theatrics and doing the face rub after Pickering missed the PAT may have resonated with Joe SixPack, but it's embarrassing for a coach to hang a player out to dry. I get it, but his demeanor was one of a fan, not of a coach. Yes, because Nick Saban/Urban Meyer/Dabo Swinney don't react to things that happen on the field. Nope, they just sit there stone faced. -Frost almost bragged in press conferences about how much he didn't like kickers, nor he didn't pay attention them. The kicking game has cost Nebraska at least two games this year. Evidence, please? -Overall, I thought the team looked better and improved. Trying to put a cherry on top of your pile of crap take doesn't make it better. -Noah Vedral was a like a 2nd QB coach. He knows the offense and was supportive of AM. He's a team player. You seem to be putting a premium on Vedral here. The guy wasn't on the sidelines up to this point, and I'd say that without him, Martinez would probably get Freshman player of the year. -It's no secret but the natives of Nebraska overachieve and play harder. Tell that to Adrian Martinez (California), J.D. Spielman (Ohio), Stanley Morgan (Louisiana), Mo Berry (Georgia)

I’m going to make a comment that will likely be unpopular here, but playing to win and playing not to lose are exactly the same thing.

It's been a dumpster fire since Callahan. That's 14 years at this point. We'll see if Frost gets them back where he wants to, but frankly if he doesn't, the Huskers aren't going back to the top ever. With the overreaction and lack of patience people have here, my money's on never. There's a lot to be said about consistency when you're talking about building a team from school kids. Every week I see more and more clicking. The losses suck, of course, for them most of all but at least the team looks like they want to actually try and play football and to get better. They don't look like they just want to go through the motions every play and get home asap. They have an almost comical ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory but that isn't new. They've done that for years in big games. They get all jittery, make mistakes and then throw in the towel. The throw in the towel part is really what made it unbearable to watch for me, and thankfully that's a lot better. People calling for heads and looking for anyone they can to place blame, well, that's what got Nebraska here in the first place. That and having AD's and President's stupid enough to listen. It's down to the last hope here, IMO. The university's tried the "throw money" approach, we ended up with Callahan. They tried the "lets just fix the defense approach" we ended up with a few good years under Pelini and then attrition, they tried the "lets get someone with a similar public temperament to TO" and we ended up with Riley. This team was awful last year and had a lot of attrition. People predicting 9 wins or even 6+ wins were obviously nuts. It's time for a new approach: The sit back, support the team and let the coach sort it out on his own approach. If it doesn't work out, we're down to the "make it 1997 again through science or magic" and begging TO not to retire approach.

Is there any chance that you could possibly stop your habit of creating these threads until you've slept on it for a night after a loss? Maybe Chinander is an awful defensive coordinator...or maybe he helps us win a national title in three years. We don't know. But what we do know is that you create threads like this every Saturday.

Couple of things. -Scott Frost should stop distancing himself from this team. He should have taken some responsibility for the loss. He also threw his d coordinator under the bus -Scott Frost and Co. came to Nebraska with hubris and arrogance. Frost still acts detached from this team, but asks for their trust. See the disconnect. -Why did it take until AFTER the Colorado game for Nebraska to ask for a waiver for Noah Vedral. I thought Bill Moos was this great administrator -Stop blaming the refs. The refs ain't the reason we are 0-6. - Noah Vedral should redshirt this year, but I'd like to see him get some playing time this year. -I don't get why Wyatt Mazour doesn't get any carries. Like none. -These seniors have been through so many coaching changes. They've deserved better. -I'm glad the Huskers benched Caleb L., but what does Pickering have to do to lose his job? Does he have compromising photos of Frost?!?! -Frost doing the theatrics and doing the face rub after Pickering missed the PAT may have resonated with Joe SixPack, but it's embarrassing for a coach to hang a player out to dry. I get it, but his demeanor was one of a fan, not of a coach. -Frost almost bragged in press conferences about how much he didn't like kickers, nor he didn't pay attention them. The kicking game has cost Nebraska at least two games this year. -Overall, I thought the team looked better and improved. -Noah Vedral was a like a 2nd QB coach. He knows the offense and was supportive of AM. He's a team player. -It's no secret but the natives of Nebraska overachieve and play harder. Not going to eat Frost alive over 4th down calls. No balls, no babies. But I don't know why the QB sneak isn't deployed more. Keep the faith. GBR.

I blame Frost because he is the one making the decisions. He should believe in the kids the way he expects them to believe in him.