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These takes are just a little over the top for me. Nebraska blew Minnesota out in 2018. The disparity has more to do with what transpired at Nebraska in 2019 than Minnesota ascending to tremendous heights. It looks to me that the roster turnover, youth, and a regressed QB is what hurt this team. It wasn't too long ago where Minnesota was the youngest team in the country and played bad. If the same Adrian came back, not even an improved version, Nebraska has 8 wins, and we aren't even talking about this huge disparity. Nebraska needs more talent, and for those players to stay. We have been a program that can't seem to have everything together at once. That's recruiting and roster management. I do think this staff can develop (with maybe 2 being iffy), and I actually believe they are bringing the right guys in now. Nebraska didn't have a roster set up for 2019 to take any step forward. True competition is what this program has been longing for and it's about to get it with this 2020 class. The EE's are going to push, and some of the cream might start to rise a little more. In addition, this staff is the first in almost 20 years to fill out it's classes with quality recruits. I am just really tired of this notion because the data suggests that Nebraska is exactly where they should be with what they are working with. Not having one and half classes on this roster is a recipe for disaster. You have to bank on guys like Benhart, Frietche, Banks, Jakeem Green, Casey Rogers, Mossai Newsome, Caleb Tannor, etc to hit now. Nebraska is not even in a position for these guys to be busts. That's how fine of a line this staff has right now. And no offense, but the walk-ons are never going to be collectively good enough to fill in that kind of gap. Ellis and Duval are going to have to be the masterminds right now. This roster needs to see tremendous gains to stay afloat until the cupboards are full and ready to go. And do not get me started on the personality of this football team. The lack of alpha talent is so obvious, and the team is soft. Hell our starting QB isn't a dominant personality, and I think that's an issue. These players still don't pick each other up off the ground, and they seem to be selective on who they celebrate with. The 2019 and 2020 classes will put an end to that. There has been a lot of talk about how close these classes are already. I know I am rambling but I have been off the board for a bit, and I need to get this out.

Minnesota didn't look that great last year when we beat them by 30. Sometimes it takes time and players

If only Frost knew anything about beating Auburn in a bowl game and/or winning a NYE bowl.

How many times Minnesota's defense was going backwards and fast. Our defense has been improving slowly but surely

I mean OSU was able to adjust to the I-formation after the first series. The offensive line really settled in towards the latter half of the season, as did Mills. We saw some power out of the spread. We then saw us abandon that in favor of 1,000,000 bubble screens vs. Iowa. Time shall tell, but I think this offense works when we can consistently run the ball and have WRs worth a damn. We were too inconsistent up front early on, Mills was a different player the second half of the year, and we simply didn't have enough skill players. Ideally the offense will look like what we had to end the 2018 season. A consistent run game to compliment WRs who can beat you in space.

Why does it matter where he has done it? He proved he can do it.

The OWH disagrees.

Loves Ek. I remember when he got the fake tattoo when he was recruiting Will Compton. Also the time he got hit in the nuts on the sidelines. Entertaining guy for sure.

And new coordinators

The fact that he is our coach and his paycheck are very much irrelevant to anything. If you wanna cast that year and that bowl win as a fluke then I guess you are entitled to that opinion. I just think you are wrong.

Well, if that's going to be the new normal, then - IMO - NU had better be expecting other things to change beyond the W-L record: 1) A perennial 6-7 win team should not expect to sell out Memorial Stadium 2) A perennial 6-7 win team has no business paying the head coach $5 million per year 3) A perennial 6-7 win team should think long and hard about things like building a new $155 million football facility

The Giants fired Pat Schurmer and all of his staff, so Dawson doesn’t have a job right now.

getting ready for church

This is one of the dumbest comments in this thread, and there’s a lot of them. Memphis scored 39 points on PSU, which is the most they gave up the entire season. Look at the season highs given up by PSU against Memphis in that game: As Chris said above- difference in the game was TEN Memphis trips inside the PSU 35 resulting in 3 TD’s. If scoring 39 points with 542 yards of offense on a top 10 D requires “soul searching” then I don’t know what to tell you.

i feel like issues with ST have been lack of talent more so then lack of coaching. When your third string guys that are as good as your second string and almost as good as your starter you have a lot of options at ST. When you have a lot of good depth at TE, OLB, LB, DB, RB and WR then you have some nice options to field 11 spots on ST.

Not according to Urban Meyer

I agree with you. It’s almost as though Frost has forgotten his days playing for Nebraska. Our best drive against OSU maybe all season was out of the I formation. Power physical football. And we never saw it again the rest of the season. A real head scratcher.

And losing at Nebraska.....Come on man. What has he done where it matters? Here at NU.

I'd long wondered if after this administration was over, we could point to all the damage Trump's policies and actions had done, say "He was a doofus who had no idea what he was doing" and try to renegotiate this deal in order to restore stability to Iran and encourage good behavior. I'm guessing that's off the table now. He's pretty single-handedly destabilized Iran. Total self-fulfilling prophecy by the GOP: They went from whining about how Iran was a major terrorist state to slapping them across the face until they became one. Way to go, guys!

It doesn’t matter how we recruit or develop physically because... Sideways offense and bend but don’t break defense doesn’t scream physicality. In fact it screams the opposite to our opponents. Old school Oregon will never survive in the B10. What Oregon is doing under Chritobol will compete in any league. That’s what I hoped we would look like under Frost, but we don’t. Perhaps we should scrap the Oregon speed thing and just become husker power again. Remember the days when we could run on third and short and consistently pick up first downs. Did Frost watch any wildcard games? They all use the fullback and the I formation. They get physical with play calling.

He was down to Nebraska, Minnesota, Iowa and Iowa State. But he's also been hearing from LSU, Notre Dame and Cal. Power lifting during the winter. Will run track in spring - 4x1, 4x2, shot and disc. Early enrollee.

Listed as a top 5 performer on his team in the game. 4.5 tackles. 2.5 for loss. One sack. Nice day against top competition!

That is a BS excuse. If you have information that supports your argument then bring it to the discussion.

Well except for the data that shows other countries have similar or worse mental health problems compared to the US, yet they don't face this problem whatsoever. You may do better if you could provide some compelling data that supports your point like others opposing you have.

Did you really do that though? I didn't see any sort of clear demonstration.

Man, if this lad switches his commitment to NU the Miami bag men gonna have some splainin' to do.

Geez, looks like you are ready for a new coach already. So, who is your next head coach sir? Not many fans are happy with the results so far ... yet, I'm not willing to roast our coach just yet. So, be honest ... what was your prediction this year? Mine was 7-5. For next year, I'm hopeful for 6-6 but won't be surprised with 5-7. What do you think our record is gonna be next year? When are you firing Frost next year?

This. People, including myself until this month, dont realize the lack of players we had. Our Junior and Senior class are very lacking. I'm not saying Frost coached well, but even Urban Meyer would have struggled with our team. The whole assumption that we had more talent than the rest of the WEST is wrong. I thought we did too, until i looked in depth at our roster. However, our upcoming freshman and sophmore classes do have more talent than the rest of the WEST, plus fit our scheme better. I agree to some degree with most of everything thats been posted in this thread. Frost didnt play call very well, or gameplan very well. He had a bad year coaching. But the idea that last year's play is indicative of our future is off. Our talent will still be very young next season, but I'll go on record and say we will finish in the top 20 in 21'.

The stuff that initially worked against OSU was because it was something they did not prepare for, once they got a look at it, it was done...it bordered more on gimmicky than a sound gameplan

We are just the kind of team other teams want to play. It’s like a week off. No real pain. Bubble screens are us!

One good season as a head coach, that’s it. In that year he had a soft schedule and some major luck. That luck covered up his poor clock management, poor play calling, and terrible defensive coordinator. Which we all now see clearly. No more super week schedules and the luck has run out. Time to figure out how to coach in the B10, or all his good recruiting and program building won’t matter. 3 losing seasons in 4 years as a head coach. Ouch!

This is where I am at. Was really watching that Memphis game to see how their established system would do against a "traditional" B1G team in Penn St......I am hoping that Frost and Co do some soul searching on what they really think will be successful at NU.....I am still not sold on our scheme. Now if we played it with extreme physicality, it might look like a different team. Power IMHO, always beats finesse.....

I tend to agree. If you think mediocre is the long term expectation (win about half our games on average or even worse), then NU ought to be cutting staff, dumping money losing sports, ending all these new bldg projects and hiring more Mike Riley types not less. Budget cuts. Athletics aka Motel 6 but do shut the light off after midnight - save $$$. I think such plans are a terrible idea but planning to be losers is what too many are suggesting.

I will get the upgrade done this week.

My early life and work has carried me to areas of high crime, most of those crimes being gun violence. I've known quite well many offenders. I still visit two of them in state pens here in the midwest. Trying to count all that I have known who have used guns illegally it looks to be about 78 or 79 over a period of the fifty some years of my 74 years being alive. I carry a gun everywhere I go that is legal to do so. No. Not because I fear those people. The reasons I carry have a lot less to do with those people than with the ordinary people who drink and lose it, smoke and lose it, see a tailgater in their mirror and lose it, etc ad infinitum. I'm a calm person by nature, and even more calm when I carry as I adhere to principles brought out in my MP military training and much more recently in my Concealed Carry Permit class here in Nebraska. I, like almost all responsible gun carriers, react kindly to perceived slights or traffic potential hassles; it would take a true life and death situation by another person for me to even think of my gun out there. "Mental illness" is a HUGE net that covers almost every human on Earth at some point in their lives, and some for most of their lives. It's not a perfect indicator of who should have access to firearms (or sharp objects, or hammers, or eye drops). Background checks help a bit with those who have already drawn attention to themselves by committing domestic violence or other violet crimes. Those checks can fail, of course, due to overlload and time requirements on the FBI and other involved agencies. Is there any course of action that could stem gun violence in the U.S.? In some countries it's about disallowing firearms to various degrees, some even not allowed at all. And some countries with little to no restrictions have very low gun crime, such as some Scandinavian countries. For us it has to be education. I feel that the NRA has it right when it comes to that. I part company with them, though, on their scorched Earth approach to fending off all gun laws, that's just crazy. We obviously need gun laws. But we have to be clever. I think it's very much about culture and how the country was born. Here in the U.S. it was about violent revolution, and several violent domestic wars over the past two and a half centuries (think it has been just the Revolutionary War and then the Civil War? Nope: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_conflicts_in_the_United_States).Guns are a big part of what shaped us and it has been often and it has been engrained in our being as Americans. I like the approach of permitted concealed carry, with classes, but I feel those classes should be longer and with more teaching on the responsibilities and mindset of a gun carrier. I also think that those same classes should be required for the purchase of guns, not just for carry.

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Are gun murders the only type of murders happening in this country? Last I checked, they aren't. It's possible to understand that gun laws need fixing AND understand that if we didn't breed nut job after nut job, gun control wouldn't be the problem it is today. Yes there are. Not as many, no. But they do happen, we just have the most. Not solely because of the gun laws but also because of the insane population. It's both, stop only pushing one narrative.

But it’s not as easy for mentally ill people to get guns in other countries. Dont get me wrong (either side), I don’t have any answers. But there are a couple things I know and believe. 1- Anyone who commits these gun crimes has something wrong with them. Mental illness, lack of respect for human life, something.....and it’s not normal. Guns seem to be the weapon of choice and definitely can contribute to a higher toll but guns themselves are not the core problem. 2- Responsible law abiding citizens who have guns are not the problem. As soon as a person crosses that line and commits one of these mass shootings they cannot be counted in the responsible law abiding citizen category. I think the problem could definitely be lessened by having fewer guns in circulation and I also think it should be tougher to acquire guns. Maybe it should be treated as a privilege more than a “right” and maybe potential gun owners should be required to prove proficiency, responsibility and a real need or purpose for the gun they want to acquire. But I firmly believe guns themselves are not the problem. They are an inanimate object that will only hurt others when in the wrong hands. I just don’t know how far we have to go or what exactly we need to do to keep them out of the wrong hands. The only thing I know is that we have to do more than we are because what we are doing is not working. I’d sure like to see more focus on the people problem rather than the object problem. I just wish the solution(s) were more obvious and that fewer people were opposed to doing anything because of some stupid crap written in a 240 year old document.

There are mentally ill people all over the world. There aren't gun massacres all over the world. It's not mental illness. Stop believing the propaganda.

We are losing commits to schools that don't even have football programs. #FireFrost

This isn't directly about the court case, this is about missing meetings and various other expectations. And missing his court date didn't help.

Yup. And what's sad is that there's a vaccine for it, and people won't vaccinate their kids.

Most of the rest of the world also has better/universal healthcare

America has a culture that hero-worships the gun-wielding strong man. From way back in the 30s with the advent of the Western movies, through John Wayne, Dirty Harry, Die Hard, the Terminator, Han Solo, The Matrix... It's a massive list. Mental illness is not the problem. It's the glorification of guns and the fact that they are so readily available. The claim that you have to be mentally ill to commit these crimes is wrong on its face and we all know it, because we've all experienced road rage. Sane, rational people get frustrated and act out. If there's a gun at hand, boom! You're a statistic.

Looking at our roster , i feel a little bit better about where we are headed than what i felt after the season. Ive mentioned Riley didnt leave us much talent, and i didnt realize this until sfter signing day. So our coaching and player development under this staff may not have been as bad as i thought. I was looking in depth at our roster by position, and most of what SHOULD be our best players, are gonna be here at least 3 more years. Offense- OL- We didnt lose anybody from last year, but we lose Jaimes, Wilson, Raridon, and Farniok after next year, but we got guys like Jurgens, Piper, Corcoran and Benhart that will only be sophmores or freshman next year. Corcoran and Jurgens could eventually be 2 of the best linemen in the conference, and we got them both for 4 and 3 more years respectively, along with a bunch of fairly rated OL with 3 or 4 more years here, if only 25% of them develop well that will give us 3 or 4 more alongside Jurgens and Corcoran giving us a very good starting OL. QB- We dont lose anybody from last year, and we wont for the next year either. We lose AM and Vedral after 2 more years, and we got Luke and Smothers for 4 more years. RB-we dont really lose anyone from last year (Washington was hardly here, and Mazour isnt anyone we cant replace), we only lose Mills after next year, and we got Thompkins, Rhamire, Sevion, and Scott III for 4 more years. TE- we dont lose anyone from last year, and only lose Stoll after next year. We have Rafdal, Vokolek, and Allen here for 2 more years, and guys like Hickman here for 4 more. WR- We lose Noa, Woodyard, and Williams from last year, and we only lose Spielman after next year. We have Warner, MqQuitty, and Manning here for 2 more years, and guys like Wandale here for 3 more and Betts, Fleming, and Brown here for 4 more years. Defense- DL-We lose our entire starting line from last year, but only lose Stille after next year. We have Keem Green, Daniels, Damian Jackson, Walker and Thomas for 2 more years (lots of unproven). And Wildeman and Ty Robinson for 3 more, and Hutmacher and Gunnerson for 4 more. (We need a couple more here next class) LB- we lose Barry and Davis from last year, which we wont miss much. And we lose Honas, Miller, and Domann after next year. We have Tanner and Eteva for 2 more years, and then a whole bunch of guys like Henrich, Hanna, Snodgrass, Nelson, and Keyshawn Greene for 3 or 4 more years. DB- we lose Jackson and Lee from last year, and Dismuke, Sullivan, and Bootle after next year. We have Cam Taylor and Deontai Williams for 2 more years. We have Farmer, Newsome, Wright, Clark, Lynum, and Delancy, and 4* Pola-Gates 4* Gray and 4*Francois, for 4 more years. Conclusion: We hardly lose anyone except for our DLine and Lamar Jackson. And most of our best players will be here for at least 3 more years. We should only get better from here on out. And 2 years from now we should be pretty good. Every single position should be better than last year except for our DLine. And every single position should keep getting better each year for the next 3 years. The future looks alot brighter friends.

so this is a bad move? similar to when McBride and company decided to move players from their current positions to a spot closer to the line of scrimmage making the defense faster. I actually love the idea of playing 3 OLB and 1 ILB with the 3rd outside LB playing the field side and give the tougher ILB the boundary.