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That would be my guess. Plus it seems to me the lethality of the disease has gone way down since Washington and New York. Since I looked last we have added 500,000 new positives and about 8,000 deaths. Then probably 10x that have been infected but asymptomatic so they don’t know to get tested or it’s so minor they don’t care. Out of those new 8000 I would guess mostly elderly and immune compromised with a few outliers here and there. I haven’t heard anything about hospitals freaking out all around the country not able to keep up. They have this new steroid that is supposed to help a lot. I don’t know why anyone’s outlook has changed. Did people think it was gone and was going to stay gone a week ago? 2 weeks ago? No. It will spread until we hit herd immunity. So we can drag this out for 3 years until we hit herd immunity under the guise of waiting for a magical vaccine that will work about as good as the flu vaccine or rip the band aide off and protect the elderly and immune compromised and let it spread to young healthy people- get herd immunity and be done obsessing over a disease that kills less than 1%. All while saving jobs, the economy and our country. Just my opinion

That should just always be the case.

No difference than the flu or measles or whatever. People are exposed to this everywhere. Period. Now if their exposure was somehow unique to the plant - because the plant was the source - then thats a different matter. This virus is not plant caused or sourced. Actually if the employee brings it in, arguably he or she is more responsible than the plant owners. If a player gets the virus at home or from someone at a party, whose responsible for the infections he spread around campus? It becomes a big circle really. Ultimately, China ought to be held to account for every case, if anyone I guess. But never going to happen.

Counselor, please don't distract the jury with shiny objects and straw man analogies totally unrelated to the statements offered. As for your first question, assuming you're asking it honestly, I'll refer you to the experts. https://www.healthline.com/health-news/why-covid-19-isnt-the-flu Here’s Why COVID-19 Is Much Worse Than the Flu Share on Pinterest Experts note that COVID-19 has a higher hospitalization rate, as well as a higher death rate than the flu. It’s also more infectious, and there’s no vaccine yet. Fabrizio Villa/Getty Images Experts say there are a number of reasons why COVID-19 is a more serious illness than the seasonal flu. They point out there’s no vaccine yet for COVID-19 and community-wide immunity hasn’t built up. COVID-19 is also more infectious than the flu and has a higher death rate. COVID-19 also has a higher rate of hospitalizations. All data and statistics are based on publicly available data at the time of publication. Some information may be out of date. Visit our coronavirus hub and follow our live updates page for the most recent information on the COVID-19 outbreak. On the surface, COVID-19 looks similar to the seasonal flu. Both can cause symptoms such as fever and body aches. Both are more deadly to people over age 65. And the viruses that cause these illnesses spread in similar ways, mainly from person to person through respiratory droplets. But COVID-19 is not the seasonal flu. In many ways, it’s much worse. A column Trusted Sourceprinted in the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA) on May 14 noted that flu deaths and COVID-19 deaths are not even reported the same way. The column written by Dr. Jeremy Samuel Faust, MS, an emergency medicine specialist affiliated with Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Massachusetts, states that flu deaths are estimated while COVID-19 deaths are confirmed cases. He notes that during mid-April the “counted deaths” for COVID-19 in the United States were around 15,000 per week. During a typical “peak week” for the flu, the “counted deaths” are about 750. Faust concludes that COVID-19 deaths are actually anywhere from 10 times to 44 times the number of influenza fatalities. Other experts say there are also reasons beyond the raw statistics that indicate COVID-19 is more dangerous than influenza. Many unknowns about COVID-19 Dr. Michael Chang, an infectious disease specialist with McGovern Medical School at UTHealth in Houston, says one of the biggest challenges of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, is that it’s completely new. That means there’s a lot we don’t know about it — how it spreads, how it infects people, how it causes damage in the body, how the immune system responds to it. Seasonal flu, on the other hand, has been around for a long time, so scientists and doctors know a lot about it, including the best way to treat people who have the illness. “We have more experience with the complications of flu — such as cardiac problems and bacterial pneumonias that happen after you get the flu — but with COVID-19, every treatment is essentially a trial run,” Chang told Healthline. There’s also a yearly vaccine available for seasonal flu. While it’s not 100 percent effectiveTrusted Source, it still offers some protection and can lessen the severity of illness. The flu vaccine doesn’t just protect people who are vaccinated. It also protects the larger community by slowing the spread of influenza viruses that are circulating. There are also four antiviral drugsTrusted Source approved for treating seasonal flu. These can reduce the duration and severity of symptoms in people with the flu. For COVID-19, a vaccine is most likely 12 to 18 months away, and there are currently no approved treatments. Share on Pinterest Design by Ruth Basagoitia The novel coronavirus also spreads more easily than most seasonal flus. On average, one person with the coronavirus transmits it to 2 to 2.5 other peopleTrusted Source — compared with 0.9 to 2.1 other people for the flu. People with the coronavirus can also pass it onto others for up to 3 daysTrusted Source before they show symptoms. HEALTHLINE RESOURCES Until you get through this, count on our support In difficult times, you need to be able to turn to experts who understand and can help strengthen your mental well-being. We’re here for you. READ MORE More deaths in a shorter span If you look at the numbers of deaths from COVID-19 and seasonal flu, right now they’re not far off. As April ended, there were more than 60,000 confirmed deaths in the United States due to COVID-19. In 2017–2018, which was a particularly bad flu season, 61,099 peopleTrusted Source in the United States were estimated to have died from the flu. Share on Pinterest Design by Ruth Basagoitia But Chang points out that these COVID-19 deaths have happened over 2 months, whereas the typical flu seasonTrusted Source lasts around 5 months. “If you took all of the flu cases and deaths and compressed them into half the time or a third of the time, suddenly you would have a big problem,” he said. Chang adds that the total flu-related deaths are also in the context of roughly half the populationTrusted Source vaccinated against the flu. With the coronavirus, that kind of immunity buffer doesn’t exist. While the United States may not have reached the peak number of COVID-19 cases and deaths are expected to continue to accumulate throughout the year. Some epidemiologists also think that recurring waves of SARS-CoV-2 infection could last into 2022. This will require some form of physical distancing to control future outbreaks. Had states and cities not enacted public health measures such as physical distancing and stay-at-home orders, experts say the death toll from COVID-19 could have been much worse. A report in March by Imperial College London in the United Kingdom estimated that if we had taken no steps to slow the spread of the coronavirus, 81 percent of the population would have contracted the virus over the course of the epidemic. The researchers say this would have resulted in the death of 2.2 million people in the United States. This only includes deaths directly related to COVID-19. It doesn’t account for people who would have died from other causes as a result of the healthcare system being overwhelmed by patients with COVID-19. CORONAVIRUS UPDATES Get updates on COVID-19 and helpful tips to stay healthy Our daily update shares ways to protect yourself and your loved ones to ease uncertainty. Enter your email JOIN US Your privacy is important to us Higher fatality rate To get a sense of the deadliness of contagious viruses, scientists look at the infection fatality rate (IFR) — the ratio of total deaths to total people with the virus. Current estimates of the IFR for the coronavirus range from 0.4 to 1.5 percent — so anywhere from 4 to 15 times higher than the flu, which has an IFR of about 0.1 percentTrusted Source. The challenge with estimating the IFR for the coronavirus is that infections are more difficult to pin down than deaths. Share on Pinterest Design by Ruth Basagoitia Many cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection are asymptomatic or may be unreported due to a shortage of testing. The same problem occurs with tracking flu infections, but scientists have more data available from previous years that they can use to estimate flu infections in a populationTrusted Source. Researchers and public health groups have recently started using serological testing to better estimate the total number of people with COVID-19. These tests look for antibodies made by the immune system to target SARS-CoV-2. If a person has these antibodies in their blood, they were likely to have had the virus — although there’s no guarantee that they’re immune. Antibody testing in New York City suggests that 25 percent of the city’s 8.8 million residents had COVID-19 as of April 27. This puts the IFR in New York at 0.5 to 0.8 percent, depending on whether confirmed or probably COVID-19 deaths are used. That’s as much as eight times higher than the seasonal flu. Two recent serological studies in California, though, suggest that the IFR may be lower. Researchers estimate that in Santa Clara County, the IFR is 0.12 to 0.2 percent. Another group estimates that in Los Angeles County, it’s 0.13 to 0.3 percent. Both of these studies have not been published in a peer-reviewed journal, so the results should be viewed with some caution. Other researchers have also pointed out several limitations of these studies, including statistical problems and questions about the accuracy of the tests being used. Using data from Italy, another group of researchers estimated that the IFRs in Santa Clara County and New York City are no lower than 0.5 percent. This study has also not been published yet in a peer-reviewed journal. While it can be tempting to look at one city’s IFR and apply it to the rest of the country, different cities can have different IFRs. That’s because many factors affect how many people die from COVID-19, including demographics, underlying health issues in the population, quality of the healthcare system, and the ability of the healthcare system to keep up with spikes in cases. Dr. Matthew G. Heinz, a hospitalist and internist at Tucson Medical Center in Arizona, says even with an IFR of 0.5 percent, if we let the COVID-19 epidemic runs its course, we would see more situations like what happened in New York City, with hospitals overwhelmed by patients. At that IFR, if 81 percent of the U.S. population had COVID-19, it would still result in more than 1 million deaths. And again, those are just the deaths directly related to COVID-19, not those stemming from overwhelmed healthcare systems. Hospitals overwhelmed The impact of COVID-19 on hospitals is one of the starkest reminders that this is not just another flu. Seasonal flu happens every year, and most hospitals are able to keep up with treating patients who are hospitalized for the illness. Chang says there are several reasons for that. One, because about half of Americans receive the influenza vaccine, flu viruses spread more slowly through the population. As a result, hospitalizations are stretched out over a longer period. But as we have seen in many cities, coronavirus outbreaks can lead to large numbers of people needing to be hospitalized at the same time. There’s also a big difference in hospitalization rates between the two illnesses. CDC data shows that during the first 6 weeks of the 2017–2018 flu season — roughly in line with the length of the pandemic so far — 1.3 out of every 100,000 people were hospitalized. For COVID-19, it’s nearly 30 out of every 100,000Trusted Source. Even younger peopleTrusted Source are being hospitalized for COVID-19, with some being admitted to the intensive care unit (ICU). Share on Pinterest

I retired from active practice several years ago. The basic law of torts is relatively common sense based but for the immunity governments give themselves. Just curious what legal theory you would use to sue your neighbor for giving you the flu at your next backyard BBQ?

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I just dont see this working out given how many schools are in play, how many players for each team, and the fact there's no centralized figure running point with this. NBA is having such a tough time getting this going and we're talking about pros who are paid, 22 teams of 12-15 players a coaching staff that all are in a "bubble" in one place. The NBA, mind you, is also America's leading professional league when you think of how in order the league is with internal affairs and even they are having an incredibly difficult time navigating this. The fact that they're having a tough time with this when Adam Silver is loved by most and the players union holding the most power out of all sports league gives me minimal hope that 5 power conferences, all with unique agendas and geography based challenges, can pull something similar off. You compare that process to the shadow organization known as NCAA, 120+ D1 schools, FCS schools that are on the schedule, TV crews, traveling plans, hotels, etc. On top of all of this, I haven't heard one thing regarding how media companies are going to factor in here which certainly has to happen for these universities to even have a season. You take away fans from the stadium (even at a reduced number) thats significant loss of direct money from game day sales along with loss of community revenue (tailgating, bars around stadium, etc). While media outlets still will make money from broadcast revenue, I would have to think some of this needs to be routed back to schools to help make up for the loss of gameday revenue. When only 20ish (might be even lower) were breaking even or turning a profit, a very likely scneario exists where an AD or two says this isn;t worth it, we're cancelling the season. A handful of these reactions impacts schedules tremendously on top of the risk of teams getting this virus. I think we are also overestimating how much of the public will actually want to go to these games. Also of note, if Moos' requires masks in the stadium, does that mean the whole university gets $0 financial resources from the Fed GoV?

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Throw that article in the trash. It said our ILB play was a strength and our OLB play was weak. Both were not very good.

Memorial Stadium 5 years from now after the stadium gets abandoned out of fear of getting sick.

Oh yes, the necessity vs luxury notion. Or the essential vs non-essential jobs. One man’s garbage vs another’s treasure. Opinions vary on most everything but basic civil rights do not. Arguably a business that is successfully operating is “essential” to enough customers to enable it to operate in a relatively free market. The businesses that government have summarily outlawed in the name of public safety are legally owed just compensation under the “takings” provisions. I have yet to hear of suits on this but hope to see them. This will be trillions $. If courts allow them. lol Many businesses have been closed without - apparently - any virus cases shown.

A good case can be made against the NY City for not shutting down the subways, busses, cabs, uber, trains, planes, etc. If people didnt use them, the spread would have been reduced, maybe. How many cases resulted from grocery shopping, gas stations, going to the hospital, etc etc? We shuttered some businesses and activities but ignore many other equally risky places/activities. The virus spread everywhere anyway. Do we sue each other ? Its absurd really. We dont end public schools or crowds or gatherings because 45 million get the flu and 60,000 die YEARLY. Kids bring the flu home from school daily. We dont end education.

Bill is right

If there's a college football season, at some point one of those 13,650 players is going to die. Same with a coach (maybe more since they're typically older & more susceptible). The problem with that is, does the family sue the university or the conference? That's what terrifies these schools - the liability. That's what's going to determine whether we have a season or not. The first whiff of a lawsuit from any parent from any level of football and the whole thing gets shut down.

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Syrup is a sensitive subject right now...

Off topic but they are sometimes needed as body guards. During one of the student migration games I attended at Missouri (1999?), we were in the south end zone stands when several of the male cheerleaders on the field below us took off sprinting up the sidelines. I looked up to see some Missouri students had Lil Red pulled half way into the student section and were pummeling him with punches. Luckily the guys got him freed. Most of the second half was a parade of Missouri students being escorted out of the stadium. Good times.

This is a walk on offer FWIW

I don't think he is...but he seems like the spoiled only child we ALL KNEW growing up.

This is fine if Daniels can stay on the field for more than a handful of snaps. I really want Robinson to play DE more often than not.

What exactly is different about this virus than other flu viruses or other outbreaks of new illnesses? I dont recall massive lawsuits over the last half dozen epidemics, most of which had much more deadly aspects than this one. Suggesting Scott Frost is liable for running a football program but Walmart is not because its essential makes no sense to me. Not one of those athletes is forced to participate and frankly is “at will” and even less dependent on his “job” than at will meat cutters. they are free to stay home any time. Don’t suggest that meat cutter has a right to work but the hair cutter does not. Please.

I wouldn't sue my neighbor because that case would be stupid. Unlike a case where my employment was contingent on accepting a health risk that my employer willfully obfuscated and/or knowingly failed to provide protections for. I would have to establish that daily employment at a meat-packing plant during a global pandemic presented a higher risk than a backyard barbecue, and I think I could do that. Since meat-packing plants have since provided considerably more protections in the wake of these highly publicized deaths, they have tacitly admitted operating at an unacceptable risk level. I can't name my legal theory because I'm not a lawyer. But I can see myself adopting a folksy accent and Matlock-ing the jury into a settlement. Also, we are not ending school or sports or grocery shopping. We're trying to figure out the safest way to move forward without extending the duration or danger of the virus. Suing isn't going to help anybody, but pretending this is no different than the flu doesn't either.

I assume your stance is that subways, cabs, trains and busses are necessities so people can get to work and support their livelihood and families? So what about the people who work at or own a bar, restaurant, hair salon? Or the businesses that rely on sporting events to stay open?

These are all necessities. Going to the bar, restaurant, sporting event, hair salon, concert, etc are not. I think that’s the big difference here.

No OnE rEaLlY bElIeVeS tHiS rIgHt?/? You'd have to be a total dork to believe something like that.

So they basically have created a gated community where they decide who gets to come in?

Lawsuits get filed for virtually any reason or no apparent merit at all. I am unaware of any notable suits filed vs schools or employers or other orgs based on any infectious disease (flu, etc) for improper exposure or something akin to today’s circumstances. Finding a cause of action vs school for holding school when a widely known virus (all over society and not peculiar to a vary narrow situation) would be very unlikely. Essentially it would be a whole new cause of action fashioned de novo by a given court (judge). These types of cases would be a near death blow to most public activities / orgs / etc. Historically such claims would be disallowed summarily under a basic assumption of inherent risk. That is, being a human being alive in the world comes with certain risks that everybody faces and nobody is properly liable for in a legal sense. Disease is something natural and not the fault of anyone, normally.

This assumes antibodies= you can't become sick again which seems to still be up in the air

I have a solution. Only people with a positive test report to show they have had the virus can participate. If the teams don't have a full roster come August they hold open tryouts and the best people who show up for the open tryout who have coronavirus antibodies make the team.

If you guys have questions about how the OWH puts together this camp countdown list, I recommend listening to their Pick 6 Podcast each week. This past week, McKewon went into pretty good detail on how they started to create the list and how he got to his honorable mentions. Regarding Keem Green, McKewon just isn't very high on him, and he was over-recruited by other JUCO guys from this past cycle, and it may be tough for Green to crack the two-deep.

That's just wrong

I doubt most (if any) of the protesters knew the shooting victims had been transported. They were likely blocking police and paramedics simply to block them. Sounds like there was another shooting last night/overnight, too.

But how could this have happened is the question… These people all have the same exact beliefs…

Without seeing who the first few on their list are - they usually start at #50 and work their way down if memory serves - I think Contreraz (assuming he wins the job) and Keem Green are probably too low. I really *hope* Cooper and Greene are too low.

Anyone else think Frost kinda looks like Donna from That 70's Show?

And people are saying our increasing the number of walk-ons was foolish! 2020 National Champs!

Omg! How many are on vents?

Doctors on TV about sports: "There is a great chance there will be no sports this year, and if there is, there can't be fans in the seats" Doctors on TV about peaceful assembly: There is a great chance there will be no sports this year, and if there is, there can't be fans in the seats" It is okay to admit that it is treated/covered differently, that is normal and expected. If I ran a news network there is no way my coverage of the peaceful protesting would be about Covid and the spread. Why would it be? That is not what is going to keep eyes on the screen and get clicks.

Inspired by Trump's "good people" from Charlottesville, I presume:

People disregarding the health experts who told them not to gather in mass demonstrations isn't health experts rescinding on their stance. If we're just casting about for people to blame, be honest.

I think this will be the first year in a looong time that it won't be a weakness. At times last year it wasn't, but many times it was. Also excited to see who steps up as well, got some interesting young guys