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Not at all. I think a lot of people are tired of people moving the goal post just to make sure the majority of people are guilted into feeling the same way they do. First it was we gotta social distance to protect hospitals from getting overloaded, then they weren’t overloaded anymore so it switched to oh we will have to hide in our houses because we gotta protect the elderly it’s not just about you, now that death rate is going down it’s changed to oh well there can be long term health risks for some people. Point being from the beginning if the risk was possible long term health risks I don’t think we would have closed the country for that. There are risks with everything in life and a virus is part of living in this world, do I believe we should take precautions absolutely. I just disagree with the severity of the precautions and the long terms effects those could have on our economy and country. We are not all going to agree and I don’t expect us to, I am not trying to change your beliefs and I don’t think your stupid for being more cautious than me

First hand knowledge of the disease. It does not sound like another single person has had it on this site. The sky is falling at all times, and the only positive hope on this site is that we hope we have a football season. Sheep it seems to me. I do not know a single person that has contracted Covid. Not one. Just returned from a major mountain bike trip to Colorado, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona and Nevada and still no Covid. Now I don't lick door knobs, I do wear a mask when I am around people I don't know. Just trying to give a different outlook than all the doom and gloom. Sorry if I offended anyone.

Something else people aren't talking enough about is the long-term effects of this disease. There's no evidence of herd immunity and there's substantial evidence that you can contract it multiple times. So let's say you get it, a mild form, and you recover. It does minimal damage to your lungs, and you're moving on with your life. Then you get it again, and it does some more damage to your lungs. What's that second round going to look like? And how quickly do you go from "healthy person under 60" to "kinda lung-damaged person under 60?"

I rolled my eyes at that one myself. A civil war is any internecine conflict. The term is used around the world. Hardly unique to America or the Confederacy. A nervous over-reach but I get it. The Dixie Chicks changed their name, too. But let's get back to your use of the phrase "one rogue cop" and discuss why that's such a f#&%ed up thing to say.

You won't get an answer; they have their heads so far up the ***es of the GOP leadership that they need a straw to breathe.

if struggling = not even listening

You’re really struggling to understand this aren’t you?

This is the decade of being offended no worries.

I am afraid the media is going to keep the football season from happening. That and Dems wanting control. The more testing the more they are going to find. Just the way it works. Some feel it has been here since last October, me for one. Wife has dealt with it since the start, no second timers so far. Had one nurse get sick/slightly missed three days of work because CDC required it. Mortality rate is falling rapidly, most that get it don't even know they have it. No spikes in Riverside County that she is aware of. Says most of the uptake is coming from Mexico. US citizens that live in Mexico and returning to the US for tests and treatment. Her comment just a few minutes ago was the general population (Media Scare) is far more worried about it than the health officials in the local area. Really sorry so many are so afraid of this. It has not affected my daily routine in any way. Other than I could not eat at my favorite restaurant for a couple of months. 73 years old and numerous other factor supposedly to be concerned about. Just finished a 22 mile bike ride, average heart rate for 1 hour and 26 minutes was 130, max 148. Average speed on a mountain bike 14.2 and high of 29.3. If I can be out and about every single day, live with a person that faces it every day of the week you guys should be safe. When we finally start to feel safe, the chance of football may come back. The way it is now, no chance of a season for the Big Red in any of the major sports. Sad for those that have lost their lives, due to poor information and treatment, especially by cowardly doctors that would not even physically see patients. Mine being one of them!!!!!

@Moiraine, I dated a gal about three years ago ... and was informed that I was a racist for using the word "gal". Since then, I've tried as best I can to stop using the word. I wrote it here to speak of it. Anyway, I was dumbfounded when I found out that the lady I was dating asked me about the use of the term after about two months of dating. I did some research which confirmed that in some circles it was a derogatory term toward black women. I spent .most of my life [40+ years] using "gal" as a reference to a girl/woman. Funny think is how I usually used it was in response to a positive comment about a girl/woman. I'd say, "ya, I think she is a really nice gal". Going deeper, it was about three years ago a therapist told me it was wrong to identify a female as a "girl". I was to call a female a "woman". I still have not conquered that one. I was taught to respect "girls" my entire life [guess that was to lead to the term "woman"]. Thus, I'm still processing out these "offensive" words.

I posted about a curious anomaly from the CDC yesterday. Bear in mind that these five-year averages are for the entire year, while the "pneumonia" deaths are for just the first six months of 2020. So while COVID death rates appear to be dropping a bit, curiously the pneumonia death rates are skyrocketing. Curious.

All of these articles are from the past 5 days. 1. "South Florida hospitalizations for COVID-19 are now eclipsing the peaks reached in mid-April. Miami-Dade on Wednesday had 981 people hospitalized with the virus, surpassing an April 17 peak of 787. Broward County had 391 COVID patients in hospitals, nearing its peak of 413 on April 7. Palm Beach County, with 394 people hospitalized with the virus, has far exceeded a peak of 245 cases on April 20." 2. Texas "Statewide hospitalizations for COVID-19 have reached record numbers for 15 days straight. There were 5,102 hospitalizations as of Friday." 3. "Seven states are reporting new highs for current coronavirus hospitalizations, according to data tracked by The Washington Post — Arizona, Arkansas, California, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee and Texas. 4. "The Texas Medical Center’s intensive care capacity could be exceeded as soon as Thursday because of the surge in COVID-19 patients, the hospital system projects." 5. "Hospitalizations from Covid-19 are also rising in 16 states as of Wednesday, according to a CNBC analysis of data compiled by the Covid Tracking Project." IDK where your research took you, but it's easy to see a number of states are seeing a spike based on hospitalizations. Positive tests is a flawed stat, but hospital census is a fantastic indicator. Consistent increases in covid hospitalizations could be a product of the virus becoming more dangerous (Extremely unlikely) or a product of many more people getting the virus (extremely likely).

I'd just love to know the specific instances you're referring to about civil rights being violated, why it was done with explicitly political motives and why the whole thing isn't just a load of crap. But somehow I don't think I will.

Serious question- not being a smart a$$. What evidence is there you can get it more than once?

Very good thoughts. I am of the opinion we need a truly non political media outlet that just reports on the facts. If one exists please let me know. I think some of the mass swings of national opinions is because the media outlets over dramatize what benefits the political party they support. It’s hard to find data you can believe and trust. I feel like the current state of the media is like a negotiation- the left goes way left and the right goes way right. Both hoping things fall in the middle. At least I hope that’s the case and we really don’t have a bunch of loonies out there on both sides

If conservatives can still be righteously enraged about 4 Americans dying in Benghazi! because the White House didn't have their backs, how can they possibly make apologies for the Trump administration's body count?

This is just pathetic.... Americans should demand an answer for this. I'll be asking Fischer and Sasse if they condone this.

The problem with comparing it to the flu is that humans have some built in immunity to the flu and a vaccine that helps prevent infections. So, only 25-50 million people a year get the flu and .1% die for somewhere around 25-60k deaths a year. And the age is even more skewed to the elderly as well as no long lasting effects. With Covid, we have no immunity and no vaccine to help prevent infections. So, let's say a really safe estimate is half of 330 million people get it before herd immunity slows the spread some and the death rate is 0.5%. That's 575,000 deaths or almost 10 years of flu deaths at the high end of estimates. In addition, we are only beginning to understand the long term effects this has on the body.

Wow, you've got a point @Notre Dame Joe. I'm having a hard time explaining this thought to others in conversation, so could you please enlighten us with an example of a time you've stood firm on your principles against something your party has done. That way I'll have a good anecdote I can share. Thanks in advance.

...and Trump has known about it for months.

Sounds like you're saying since it hasn't had a negative impact on your life then in turn it isn't a big deal. Yes the deadliest pandemic in the US since 1918 may inconvenience your life. I don't think you're wrong by saying there is hope, and college football could be played. I personally think we're going to turn a corner on this thing soon. But just remember next time you try and down play it, and use your life as an example - just know this has killed 125,000+ Americans and the person you are talking to may have not had the rainbow and unicorn fart experience of the pandemic you have had.

so...if it's true that trump only learned about this yesterday like press sec. is claiming.....trumps response is to wait 24 hours to respond and to go golfing today?

Clearly a fumble, but it was ruled that his forward progress had stopped so Oklahoma kept the ball. Similar thing happened against Missouri when Courtney Osborne clocked Blaine Gabbert on a sack, but Missouri kept the ball because Gabbert's forward progress had stopped. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

It's still kinda dumb to refer to a football game as the civil war. *shrug* But their reasoning for changing it may also be dumb.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/06/26/master-bedroom-canceled-houston-realtors-texas-slavery-connotation-primary-bedroom/ I'm guessing that to these types of minds ... that rather than change the word from "master" to "primary" ... it would make much more sense to make a law that any home with a "master" bedroom should be torn down. For many, many, many years ... these "master" bedrooms have been used to inflict one's mastery [in context, it has to be a white person of color over a black] over another. This is evil. Since I'm married to a black woman ... I'm a bit upset that I can't be dominated by her in the "master" bedroom anymore without implied racism upon her over me. :-) This mindset is just silly and full of "butthurt".

Fatality rates have dropped significantly, even as infection rates have risen. That's very good news. It may be better testing and preparedness, better treatment for serious cases, the virus weakening in the summer, all or none of the above. It may also be that the most vulnerable people died in the first months. Just heard last night that the fastest growth of infections in Florida were among the 25 -35 year olds. That's infections, not deaths. Problem is, enough people are getting sick in this new surge to start stressing hospitals, who will now be challenged to treat everyone with any serious ailment. And that always was the big issue: shutting down cripples the economy. Doing nothing cripples the economy and kills thousands more people. Right now the death rate is roughly 5x the flu, but a pandemic presents other problems beyond the infection/fatality ratio. People who do study the stats very closely and have spent a lifetime in epidemiology are virtually unanimous that we're taking this too lightly. I think there's still a scenario for doing more and doing it safely, including playing sports next month, but it starts with people accepting it's not an over-hyped hoax or political plot.

So what your saying is it’s possible we go undefeated this year?

This is my main thought too, and we talked about it in your status regarding OPS, but I'm of the mind that we'll have as "normal" of a start to the school year as the Powers That Be want, but by the middle of the semester, we'll be back to distance learning. I could see the football season starting, but being cancelled somewhere in the middle as a result.

I hate that you all have made me interested in a basketball recruit.

Wow.....

The problem with stats is that they make it easy to hide reality. Let’s say this guess (because it is just that, an estimate not actual statistics) that 20 million Americans contracted COVID-19 is accurate. While yes that brings the death rate down to .5%, you have to remember that equates to 120k actual dead people. 20 million is roughly 10% of the US population. Which means we’ve only seen 10% of the deaths. If we don’t stop the spread we’re talking 1.2 million deaths. .5% is a very large number of deaths for any disease, especially one that spreads as quickly and easily as COVID-19. This is not the flu.

Now will you admit that you lost your mind over one rogue cop? Oregon, Oregon State will no longer refer to its annual rivalry game as the ‘Civil War’ https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/06/26/civil-war-oregon-oregon-state-to-no-longer-be-used/

Pegrosie calls George Floyd, George Kirby? She sucks and anyone that thinks she isn't the worst is horrible too. These a$$h@!es don't give a rats a$$ about anyone. https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11967737/nancy-pelosi-forgets-george-floyd-kirby/

FIFY

I believe that this opinion and the actions of those that hold it are the reason we won't have college football.

How about this clip of Biden trashing your boy?

The number you want is IFR. IFR is dependent on so many things, IFR in Lombardy, Italy is going to be different from IFR in Sidney, NE - it's not a number you can apply to all places. They estimate IFR to be 1% in some hard hit areas (NYC). Regardless, I would still look to hospitalization numbers/ICU numbers as a guide more than anything. If you have an ICU full of COVID patients, you are losing beds you need for traumas, hearts, etc. If you have a hospital full of COVID patients, you have start cancelling elective surgeries once again, just to ensure bed space. I think that's the most important thing to watch. If there is hospital/ICU bed space - people can assess their own risk and the healthcare of others can go on in normal-ish manner. If there is no hospital/ICU bed space, then other peoples healthcare is put at risk, and restrictions are needed to ensure there is not an overcrowding of hospitals - and beds/care is available to those who need it.

Think Dubsker is talking about this Booker T

Definitely agree here. The only thing I would add is I will be interested to see what he does in college. I'm not scout and I have basically no experience watching high-end D1 prospects in high school. But I was surprised that he didn't stand out to me a little more during the state tournament this year. I did miss the second half of the one game where he apparently went off. But in the other five halves I watched, I really wouldn't have taken special note of him if I didn't know he was a huge recruit. I guess I just expected to see more take-over from the (now) #11 player in the country. To my eye, Saint Thomas made a lot more plays in those games. And I'm not sure how a five-star guard with three other D1 players on the floor can't find a way to get his team to score a single point for the last four minutes of a state championship game.

If he ends up at KU or UNC I will be unhappy but I will understand. If he ends up at Creighton, I will be using words that I can't use on this board.

Its pretty simple man. Just dont test as much and fewer people will have it. Problem solved.

Saw on Twitter that Max Anderson from Millard West is not going to TAMU, and is headed to Nebraska. 2020 Nebraska Gatorade Player of the Year, and top player in the 2020 class in the state.