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The former OL from 2006-2010. Not the drunk one.

Yeah, the lie that gun lovers tell themselves about how they will become Wyatt Eyrp and save the day is silly. 99% of us are flighters, not fighters.

If this is your "gotcha" game, you're losing miserably.

I provided scholarly articles to back up what I was saying. You pretended I said something entirely different, when the context was obvious. There is no link between these mass shootings and mental health. We have Wayne LaPierre's quote from ten years ago making that claim as a distraction, just like they wanted us to arm teachers, just like they want to make schools have single-door entries now. You are regurgitating an NRA talking point. I pointed that out, and you got mad online because someone said you were wrong. Do you need more proof or are you willing to actually go read that study I linked to before you got mad? I'll give you more proof. There is no clear data supporting that.

Thank you both for illustrating the problem in the debate. The answer to the question is BOTH. We need a comprehensive approach to this without people claiming one direction is right and the other is wrong. Gun owners and the gun industry need to realize they need to be part of the solution. People also need to realize access to mental health help and recognizing when it's a problem in a person is also a large part of the problem. And, you know what? There will be mistakes made in whatever approach we are willing to take. But, that's when you realize that and adjust what you're doing. But.....sitting back and not doing anything because people think it's all in one direction or nothing....is the wrong approach.

I have no issues w/people owning guns. Give people a shotgun/rifle let them hunt deer and turkey and whatever it is people hunt. I'm actually OK with people (assuming they are sane) owning handguns. I have no qualms with that. Yes people get killed by handguns daily, but that's not may main concern yet. I want to end mass shootings. I want AR-15s and the like out of civilian's hands. @walksaloneI saw you mentioned you own and carry a piece earlier, and clearly sounds like you've had a lot of training, as a gun person, why should joe blow down the street have a semi-automatic rifle? Whats the logical reason besides having shriveled richard issues? I think if we did a better job of limiting access to those types of weapons, while still allowing citizens to obtain handguns/rifles/shotguns would be an easy compromise. While any loss of life sucks, I think we can significantly curb mass shootings by restricting access to certain types of weapons.

I think he means personnel (sorry, that's the English teacher in me coming out)

Just saw this stuff....what the ever loving f#&% were they doing? Did I read that an off duty border control officer went in alone and killed the shooter? How many more kids dead if it was up to the PD? 40% of the cities budget so they can play solider every day except the day they are actually needed?

What is there to run from? Cawthorn, Bobert, MJT, Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Paul Gosar, Alex Mooney, Josh Hawley......basically every member of the GOP that is willing to run on the Big Steal, quote QAnon s#!t like the gospel, treat insurrection as acceptable political discourse, and compete with each other to suck Donald Trump's c$%k is the future of the Republican Party. That Cawthorn fell out with the GOP -- not from his insane political positions but from his foray into questionable sexual leanings -- doesn't prove your point. This is the Future of the Republican Party thread, chief. You've ignored the direct question numerous times. If Cawthorn is not the future of the GOP based on losing his primary, what makes you think the GOP is moving in a saner direction?

Why should I, you obviously have empirical evidence, and obviously a subject matter expert in all this. For the past 5 pages the only thing you've managed to prove is that you're the smartest guy in the room, we're all not as smart as you, which means you get to talk down to whomever has a differing opinion. I've done no research, which means my opinion also doesn't matter Feel free to continue your flat earther-like rhapsody, i'll leave you to it.

So you didn't read the study I linked, either. I have more, if you need them. Or you could show us your research into the connections between mental health and mass shootings.

The audacity is almost overwhelming. Have you spoken to experts in the behavioral health field that confirm this? For the past couple pages anytime says that we need to talk about mental health as it correlates to the person that committed the act, you immediately put up the NRA talking point defense. To think that there's no link between mass shootings and behavioral health issues, is naive.

WTF dude???? I say it's a problem with guns and a better mental health care can be a big part of the solution. You go off on me claiming I'm blaming it all on mental health and I'm being dense because I'm blaming it all on mental health....bla bla bla.....Then, you say the bolded. WHICH IS BASICALLY WHAT I SAID!!! Get over yourself on this and have a discussion instead of whatever crap you've been spewing the last couple posts.

Guys, you're not going to win an argument with someone who's convinced they're right. No matter what you say, your talking points to back it up, you are wrong, and they are right. If they're not willing to listen to you, and respond like you're beneath them, there's no point.

You're making the claim that we should be allowed to have guns because they make us safer in the case of home invasion. It's not only statistically not true, but having a gun in the home has been proven to more than double the risk of gun homicide. So the downside of owning a gun is far greater than the upside. Further, simply taking a couple of training courses as a non-LEO isn't evidentially helpful in an active shooter scenario, as evidenced by fully-trained LEOs failing to act in a situation they were just trained for. Meanwhile, perpetuating this (false) need to own guns keeps guns in the populace, and leads to these kinds of atrocities. The false sense of security legal guns brings isn't worth the rest of the country living in fear that their kid is next.

Pretending that you having a gun keeps you safe is a fallacy. You may think you're going to Rambo back at the shooter, but you're not even a trained cop who drills on this stuff on a monthly basis. The cops at Robb Elementary were literally just trained on this exact scenario, and they did nothing while 19 people died. I know we're all the hero in our own story, but the reality is you're more likely to freeze or eff up than defend yourself. Meanwhile, those guns in your house more than double the likelihood that someone in that house will die of gun violence.

There were trained, armed police at the school yesterday. It's not like the presence of a gun is going to stop criminals from shooting you.

ok, then getting the guns of the lawful gun owners hands, and letting the criminals keep theirs?

Some OPS HS kids are walking out today...to end gun violence.

Making them illegal. I know; what I posted what my opinion. And I'm past the point of caring how it would look.

Oh I figured you were just doing another drive by posting without anything to back it up, but I was excited at the possibility you might actually try.

The N stands for Knowledge

I'm not mad, thank you for actually making me laugh, I appreciate it.

Stay frosty Arch, you being uninformed sh*tstorm is coming...

It’s not a gotcha its a reality. People said Cawthorn was the future and now they run from it. At least have the guts to claim being wrong

Most impactful, 2AM leaving Guys a gamer, but we needed a refresh in the locker room and see a frosty team with a new QB. *here come the pitchforks*

You should probably take your issue up with those on the board that did. You know who they are

So, you do something and try to create a weird argument. Then accuse me of the same thing. just admit to yourself you went in a bad direction and move on.

This is the only part of this post that is meaningful. And, it's only meaningful because it makes this entire argument that you are trying your hardest (for some very odd reason) to create....idiotic. Take my entire statement and deal with it. If you can't do that, then move on.

The defense rests...

I don't need to do that because my response is reasonable. Maybe you need to reconsider your hard line of only in one direction. Maybe you should consider someone's complete statement when you decide to go off on them claiming they are dense. Wouldn't that be the reasonable thing to do?

No it's not. I included guns are part of the problem and that is complete OPPOSITE of the NRA talking point.

It's those suffering from mental disorders, killing Americans with guns

exactly, and I'm going to keep mine because I'd prefer the ability to return fire

Making America Great Again......

Then again, maybe they are.

Chairman of the House Tea Party Caucus? Ranked the least bipartisan member of the entire House? Kicked off the Ag Committee by fellow Republicans, and opposed by the Kansas Farm Bureau, the Kansas Livestock Association, the National Association of Wheat Growers, and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, defeated 58% to 42% in his last Republican primary? THAT Tim Huelskamp? You must be so proud. Well I asked for an example and you gave it. While I applaud your ideological consistency, it appears that a clear majority of Kansas Republicans aren't about to reject federal subsidies that go in their pocket.

Remember when four Americans died in Benghazi? Three professional soldiers and one professional diplomat (iirc) who had volunteered for extremely dangerous duty at a covert CIA operation in a violent country the U.S. was actively trying to destabilize? Remember how we were told we should never, ever, ever forget those deaths, and the stalwart GOP politicians who convened three exhausting Congressional hearings to get to the bottom of that unthinkable tragedy? f#&% this s#!t.

Yep. It’s the same type of silly “gotcha” point that people try to make about equating security fences around SCOTUS and fences at the southern border.

It's only boring because we have lost 7 straight years.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/one-of-the-worst-tweets-in-history-obama-compares-george-floyd-to-uvalde-shooting So let me get this straight, if there's a school shooting on December 29th, I can bring up the Wounded Knee massacre?

Received training in the army on the M-16, received training using a shotgun and a beretta working security at a DoD weapons R&D facility I got classes in active shooter, threat assessment, and hours at the range I'm not Rambo, not by any stretch, but I am confident in myself, should something like that occur. Assumption is rarely a good look...

Crap.

A true lover of gun freedom would be outraged that the Secret Service is taking away basic human rights. Unless that's all for show and he doesn't believe having everyone in the building armed makes him safer. Surely it couldn't be something so hypocritical?

Wasn't last year's BF game the most watched BTN program ever?

OMG….

Interesting read on what Australia did to curtail gun violence. https://apple.news/ALDwUn0S6SrKDEdQYgBQ4cw