54 minutes ago, knapplc said:

Also happened against KSU in 1993.

 

 

oh man...I forgot all about Chad May. What a freaking pansy a$$. 

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

 

Can't wait for the right-wing talking points tomorrow, about how this guy's testimony somehow proved Joe Biden's guilt. 

Poll: Republicans see Trump as a ‘person of faith’ ... more so than Mitt Romney, Mike Pence and others

https://www.deseret.com/2023/9/26/23891360/trump-biden-man-of-faith-religious-mitt-romney-vivek-ramaswamy

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Among Republicans, 53% said Trump was a person of faith, ahead of every other person on the list — although he was statistically tied with Pence, who came in at 52%.

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Only 23% of Republicans said Biden is a person of faith, while 12% said the same of Vice President Kamala Harris.

32 minutes ago, Scofrosghost said:

In other news Shilo Sanders is pissing blood after the Oregon game. This is after he was talking smack to them and said they were small and they were going to run through them. Karma is delicious 

Whoa, now. I hate CU more than most and hope they lose every game and shut the hell up...but there is no need to celebrate a kid being injured. 

I predict that MSU and Tucker will ultimately negotiate a settlement. He definitely royally f#cked up, but his attorneys might have a smidgen of a contractual argument that neither party will want to drag out in court.

Tucker will then lay low for a couple of quiet years and resurface as a coach at some religious school in the south. 

1 hour ago, In the Deed the Glory said:

All this proved was Keyshawn (and the rest of them) know nothing about how coaches operate. 

I mean, he sent his son to play for Mike Riley...so, yeah.

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Tucker did not breach the Agreement in any capacity, much less a material one. He did not engage in unprofessional or unethical behavior or "moral turpitude" by any stretch of the imagination.

Mel Tucker changed his story, misled investigator in Michigan State sexual harassment case

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2023/09/22/michigan-state-mel-tucker-false-claims-sexual-harassment/70922038007/

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With his job, reputation and the roughly $80 million left on his contract at stake, Tucker repeatedly made false statements to the investigator and misled her about basic facts, such as his location during the phone call and the date it occurred, a USA TODAY review of more than 1,200 pages of case documents found. 

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Since his suspension, Tucker has issued multiple public statements defending himself, attacking Tracy and accusing Veidlinger of bias. He accused the school of conducting a “sham” hearing and having “ulterior motives.” Yet even in these written statements, the central details of his story changed entirely.

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By the time Tucker met with Veidlinger for his interview, he had had months to prepare.

 

The school had informed him of Tracy’s complaint on Dec. 22, the day after she filed it. Veidlinger had interviewed Tracy and all six of her witnesses by the end of January. Tucker was the only holdout.

 

Rather than tell his side of the story right away, Tucker and his attorney spent three months trying to stop the investigation, case documents show. They wrote legal arguments urging Michigan State to drop the case and twice approached Tracy’s attorney proposing a settlement agreement. Tracy said no, and the school pressed forward.

1 minute ago, knapplc said:

Hill carrying that ball like a loaf of bread.

I don't know where that term came from, but I think about it every single time I actually carry a loaf of bread, and it makes me self-conscious about how I am carrying it. 

2 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Who wrote the poem, for 1000 huskerboard points.

Too easy, I'll let someone else answer. 

I used to work at a school where the same poet once said something over 100 years ago about the campus being beautiful, and the school has been milking it as a marketing slogan ever since then.

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Dude, who knows about what the parents did/will freak out about.  They can get CRAZY!

We'll agree on that. Dealing with other kids' parents is the worst.

All right everyone, if this conversation has run its course...stay gold.

1 minute ago, teachercd said:

because I read at an 8th grade level.  

8th grade? You should read about Anne Frank!

2 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

The drive in theater in the film burnt down a few years ago

damn delinquents with their cigarettes

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I taught The Outsiders and you are referring to Dally bothering Cherry.  I see similarities but as someone who has shown this movie in class, probably 20 times now, most students do not even get the reference.  Clearly the Anne Frank one is easy to understand.

 

I have NEVER once, in all my years of teaching that book/movie, stopped it and said "No class, see here, when Dally says "How can I find out if that it your real hair color, like, how can I find out if it matches, your your...eyebrows...WHAT HE REALLY MEANS is...do the curtains match the drapes.  Okay, class, everyone take out some paper and write down 3 things that is wrong with his approach"

 

A wise man once told me I was out of my element.  I will refer you back to that statement

 

 

 

 

Fair enough. I love the movie and the book, by the way.

And different teachers teach it in different ways. Suppose there was a discussion after every chapter. Dally's relationship with Cherry is not the main theme of the book, but it is one of the smaller themes. A discussion about this particular scene would not be unreasonable if a teacher thought it was important, or if a student had a question about it, it might generate discussion. Or we could all move on because there are more important things happening. It's all fair, and perfectly appropriate for the teacher to make the decision re: how to handle it. 

In the controversy around this Anne Frank book, do we know how much the teacher focused on that particular page about the menstruation and the breasts? Or did a snowflake parent see it and decide to raise hell based on this one page out of context? You and I would probably both agree that if the teacher planned a whole lesson around that page, it was probably not the most appropriate use of class time (although not worthy of a firing or banning). 

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Okay...so we agree it is a book depicting sexual harassment.  

 

In a comic book about Anne Frank.  And then you want teachers to use that as a teaching moment to discuss with 8th graders if it is sexual harassment or not.  Again, seems like a lot to toss on the teacher.

 

I did not say it was sexual harassment, I said it could be a form of sexual harassment, but not on its own, would be dependent on other factors. God damn.

The panels shown in the image, on their own, if it happened in real life, would not be sexual harassment or sexual assault, either by the letter of the law or in any practical matter. Girl A asks Girl B if they want to show each other their breasts. Girl B says "absolutely not". If that is the end of the conversation, it is an awkward moment and nothing more. If Girl A continually pressed the issue despite the verbal rejection, if there was unwanted touching, if there was additional unwelcome conduct, it might be a different matter. 

What I suggested might be a teachable moment is discussing whether or not this was an appropriate interaction. It also doesn't have to be the focus of the lesson plan at all (and probably shouldn't be). But Anne Frank's diary is all about the thoughts and feelings of a teenage girl in hiding, which (gasp!) includes thoughts of sexuality. I don't know all of what is included in the comic version, but the original book is called "Diary of a Young Girl," not "Anne Frank: Nazi Hunter."

I have a child in middle school right now reading "the Outsiders." There is a part of the book (and in the movie, which they will also watch in class) when one character harasses a girl at the movies. Is that a lot to toss on the teacher to discuss? Or might that make an interesting conversation in class? Kids are in gangs, stabbing each other, smoking cigarettes, dying. What's the point of reading the book if not to discuss some of these awkward themes? 

A good teacher is going to be well-suited to talk about these things and have conversations in an age-appropriate way.

9 minutes ago, teachercd said:

What are you confused about?  By definition it falls under SA.

 

 

But what is depicted in that graphic novel is, by letter of the law, a form of SA.  How do you not understand the difference? 

No it is not, stop saying that. I'm quite familiar with sexual assault. You're out of your element, Donnie.

Maybe it would be an unwanted advance, and therefore a form of harassment (but not on its own, would be dependent on other factors)?

3 hours ago, teachercd said:

by definition this would fall under SA.

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

No no no.  I am saying IT IS NOT SA. 

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

It falls under the "definition" of SA

35 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I 100% AGREE THAT IT IS NOT SA!  

1 hour ago, teachercd said:

It falls under the "definition" of SA

No. 

If I am a Title IX Coordinator at a school, and someone brings me this book, opens up to that page, and says they would like to make a sexual assault complaint, this is the response I would give:

7 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Yet you are getting hysterical about another person pointing out their view of it’s inappropriate for that age group.

No, I think I said previously that it's fair to have differing thoughts on the appropriateness of it. However, I definitely am getting worked up on the frequency and normalization of censorship and the suppression of uncomfortable topics. We should talk about these things more at school and at home. But too many people are scared or offended by discussing things like sex and race, even though kids are actually ready for it and need these conversations sooner than most adults realize.

11 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

I’ll have to ask my daughter if her or her friends identified with a friend saying that their boobs should be on display as a show of friendship while she was in middle school and if that would be an important topic to discuss.  I would surmise not but we shall see.  

Very tactful of you. I would guess that if this is how you talk to your daughters about sexuality, they will certainly not be inclined to engage in a healthy dialogue. How about you zoom about a little bit and question whether or not middle school girls would be curious about sexuality. Maybe have your wife ask them instead (unless she is one of the Moms For Liberty).

15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

serious question here as I get curious about seemingly little things sometimes.  Why do you use an old Greek term almost no one uses outside of some academics instead of just using the words teach or teaching that most people reading would understand?

What, pedagogy? Fair question, but I didn't realize it was such an obscure word. My wife is an educational researcher, and I have heard and read the word "pedagogy" in my household thousands of times over the years. I've also written several investigative reports involving faculty members (germane to this conversation, as I have actually had to investigate claims of discrimination or harassment based on the content of an instructor's curriculum) and have used "pedagogy" or "pedagogical" in context for those reports. Although I definitely agree it is better to use clear, simple language whenever possible. 

13 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/ny-gov-kathy-hochul-to-migrants-if-youre-going-to-leave-your-country-go-somewhere-else/
 

NIMBY.  If this were a GOP Gov, the calls of racism, xenophobia, etc would be constant

It's a pretty bad message, especially in New York of all places. The home of the Statue of Liberty. Immigration is a pretty complex issue, and there are certainly issues with infrastructure, housing capacity, etc when facing an influx of newcomers, and some places are going to be better suited than others for managing this. But saying "go somewhere else" is just...bad. 

7 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

We know, yet in an earlier post you made a claim it was one of the most read, greatest books when it was actually the graphic novel being spoken about and not The Diary of Anne Frank

Here is what I actually said, acknowledging that it was adapted from one of the most well known books: "This is one of the best known books, ever, about an extremely important topic, adapted into a graphic novel format." The content came directly from the original diary.

9 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Again, what’s the lesson plan with what was shown?  Certainly not the realities of the holocaust like you suggest above?

I have no idea what the lesson plan was and neither do you. The hysteria seems to be stemming from a single page, but I would be very surprised if the lesson plan centered around this one page. I might surmise that the purpose of teaching the book altogether was to explore the thoughts and feelings of a middle school aged girl while going through such a harrowing experience, presented in a way that middle school students could identify with. But that's just a guess.

14 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

The teacher should not have been fired.  ...
I don’t believe the passage is molestation

 Okay then.

15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

Pretty open and shut without hysteria from me.  

15 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

you had to go Indiana Jones and name calling while claiming something I’m not claiming (banning books)

But it was certainly fueled by hysteria. Teachers make questionable pedagogical choices all the time. I'm sure that neither you nor I would choose to teach Anne Frank in the same manner that this teacher did. But the faux outrage over this issue is not driven by pedagogy, it is driven by hysteria, similar to books being removed all across the country for simply discussing race, sex, or LGBTQ issues. You did not directly advocate for banning books, yet you posted note that claimed that the book depicted molestation and that the teacher asked students to discuss molestation. You presented this as "relevant context" even though the claims were hyperbolic and untrue. Posts like this attempt to justify the horrible reaction from the school district. Even you agree that the outcome was ridiculous. 

Now, the debate about the appropriateness of the book is reasonable. Your opinion on that matter is not completely off (I disagree, as the content was written by a 14 year old and believe the content is perfectly appropriate for 14 year olds), but again, the main issue to me is a teacher getting fired for this and how the right wingers are justifying it.

23 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

cause you couldn’t handle a debate

2 minutes ago, teachercd said:

The depiction of her advances would fall under SA.  The last 3 "scenes". You asked if it was molesting or not.  

You know how you get annoyed when other people talk about teaching practices when it is clearly outside their lane? 

I actually investigate sexual misconduct, and you are being absurd. 

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Which means now you have to explain that to students.  

 

this seems like something teachers don't need to have on their plate. 

You're the teacher: isn't it a teacher's job to explain things to students? When a character does something inappropriate, isn't it a great opportunity to discuss it? Middle schoolers and high schoolers read books about violence, drugs, race, sex, and politics all the time because it provides these opportunities.  

4 minutes ago, teachercd said:

While I do not agree, by definition this would fall under SA.

 

What would fall under SA? Reading a book? What does your post have to do with any of this?

"A Small Light" was an excellent (and sobering) series. Highly recommended. It was streaming on Hulu, Disney, and Prime at one point not sure if it still on all three of those.

Trigger warning for some conservatives and Texas residents: it tells the story of Anne Frank's family in hiding and depicts Nazis as the bad guys.