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Langs=Beck 2.0 I'd take Beck in a heartbeat as a playcaller. He knew how to Run The Damn Ball. I would too...Beck gets a lot of flack, but our offense put up a lot of points the past 2 seasons. Also, TA looks awful passing again. He was totally at fault for that last throw, and he didn't need to rush it.

The part about him being the most Partisan President is a fact according to Gallup and other polling outlets. I do hold Congressional leadership responsible too, but let me ask you this: 1. When there is a tragedy like this shooting in Oregon, a major tornado that has ripped through a community, etc..., which elected official is usually asked to go and help heal the community? 2. When there is a conference at the UN with other countries leaders presenting, who from the US typically speaks on behalf of America? 3. When there is a major foreign policy decision to go to war or consider going to war, who speaks to the American people on this topic? You seem to miss the point that of all 539 elected officials at the federal level, there is one, and only one, that has more power and ability to influence the tone and dialogue in the nation, regardless of party.

Zoogs-You are missing the entire point again. I'm not stating that only Republicans are right, but that it's the job of the President, regardless of party, to set the tone and help encourage open and fair debate on topics. From Day one that Obama took office, he set a tone that he was going to do things his way, and has rarely reached across the aisle in an honest way to reach consensus. His gun control statement after the Oregon shooting is just one of many examples of him publicly stating his intentions, of which are hard to backpedal from in order to make a deal with the other side. Again, Bill Clinton was able to reach to the other side, so I'm not being partisan about this, but just stating the facts. Gallup has shown that Obama is the most partisan President in US history, and these statements are why. You can continue to point blame at everything and everyone else, but he is the one that made the statements that are being condemned. As for Landlord's statement of being proven wrong, that if laughable. You are the one that on the prior page of this thread, stated all I was doing was complaining about the President without offering solutions, when just 3 posts before yours I did lay out "solutions" which you chose to ignore. I also offered ideas on how the President can set the tone and improve the process for having fair and honest debate, which again you chose to ignore. Nice try though. And...yet....you won't come out and condemn things the Republican leadership has done. You only condemn one side. Welcome to being part of the problem. BRB-You must honestly not be reading what I am saying. I have said many things that are critical of the Republican leadership. I have been highly critical of Boehner and McConnell for not standing up for what they were elected to do. But I have also stated that it's the opposition of the GOP leadership to offer an alternative to Obamacare if they are/were opposed to it. I've stated that 2 or 3 times throughout many threads. You earlier claimed I wasn't offering solutions to this debate on gun violence, when in fact I had previously. On the contrary, I've rarely heard you critical of Obama, and mainly just of Republicans. It took about 10 attempts in this thread before you would admit that Obama's language and approach was wrong, and instead of just coming out and calling a spade a spade, you go off on tangents claiming I'm not offering solutions and am never critical of Republicans, which again I've proven otherwise. Post #117 is the first post in this thread that I approached the political side of this issue. In that post I expressly said that BOTH sides are F'ed on this issue. I expressly pointed out why both conservative and liberal arguments on this issue are missing the point by a mile. You started this thread with the title of "And people wonder why the US is so divided". However, all you did was bitch about one side. Then, in your response to my post #117 where I said that both sides are F'ed up, you specifically tried to tie it back to just one side by blaming the President for pretty much everything on the issue. You agreed it was a cultural issue and then the next paragraph you try to blame it all on the President. If, by solutions, you think what you listed in post #124 are solutions...they aren't. All they are is saying...wait a few days and then call for having a bunch of meetings. That isn't solutions. That's what government does already on just about every subject. The question is, if you were in these meetings, what would you suggest be done about gun violence. THAT is where the solution is. The focus of this thread was an example of why polls show Obama is the most partisan President in US History, and why this country is more divided now than ever. If you don't agree that the country is that divided, so be it. I've said many times that both parties are at fault, but again, as I've stated over and over, the President is the ultimate leader of this country, the one that gets more votes than any other elected official, and he is the one that should be setting the tone, regardless of how immature others are around him. He campaigned to be a unifier in 2008...that was a main part of his appeal. I would be just as critical of a GOP President if they politicized a tragedy, but considering we don't have a GOP President right now, it's hard to be equally critical as you seem to think is a requirement. As for my post, it was post 138 where I offered a specific solution to the problem of deaths in school settings caused by guns. I also offered examples of how the process and tone could have been handled better. Do you not agree that post 138 offered a specific solution?

You only start threads that attack Obama and what you perceive to be some kind of liberal agenda. You have never started a thread criticizing anything the Republicans have done. So spare everyone with this drivel. Nobody believes it. BRB, on the other hand, has been highly critical of Obama - for years. Not sure where you were during those conversations, but that's on you, not him. For starters, I have not started many threads, and only do so on topics I feel are outrageous. There is nothing in a forum like this which states that, to make a point, you have to completely toe the line and always equally criticize both sides equally. The Oregon shooting elicited an emotional reaction for all of us, but it was the President's emotional reaction that, instead of bringing all Americans together to mourn the wounded and share in their feelings, instead took the time to "politicize" the tragedy. I don't recall any American President after any horrible tragedy making a statement within hours that he wanted to politicize the tragedy. You can bring up every other topic and situation that has or has not been said by members of both parties, but that is digressing from the focus of this thread. Here is an honest, open question for you. I know I have not been on the political thread as long as you, but in the time I have been here, I have not seen you endorse or support a Conservative view, or take a harsh stand against Obama. If you have, please just point me in that direction.

Watching this Democratic debate, and overall it's going according to script, with most on stage fighting to see who can give the most liberal answer. It's amazing how much more diverse the GOP field is compared to the Dems, even if you take out the bottom 5 GOP candidates running that should drop out. I never thought I would see the day where its the Democratic party that the mainstream media would label too old and white. The only candidate on that stage that is practical is Jim Webb, but I just don't see the leftists in the party supporting him. Hillary is going too far left on the gun issue and that will come back to bite her if she is the nominee, but I do applaud her opening answer and defense of capitalism. That answer alone I think will help give her momentum moving forward, and might possibly stop Biden from running.

Zoogs-You are missing the entire point again. I'm not stating that only Republicans are right, but that it's the job of the President, regardless of party, to set the tone and help encourage open and fair debate on topics. From Day one that Obama took office, he set a tone that he was going to do things his way, and has rarely reached across the aisle in an honest way to reach consensus. His gun control statement after the Oregon shooting is just one of many examples of him publicly stating his intentions, of which are hard to backpedal from in order to make a deal with the other side. Again, Bill Clinton was able to reach to the other side, so I'm not being partisan about this, but just stating the facts. Gallup has shown that Obama is the most partisan President in US history, and these statements are why. You can continue to point blame at everything and everyone else, but he is the one that made the statements that are being condemned. As for Landlord's statement of being proven wrong, that if laughable. You are the one that on the prior page of this thread, stated all I was doing was complaining about the President without offering solutions, when just 3 posts before yours I did lay out "solutions" which you chose to ignore. I also offered ideas on how the President can set the tone and improve the process for having fair and honest debate, which again you chose to ignore. Nice try though. And...yet....you won't come out and condemn things the Republican leadership has done. You only condemn one side. Welcome to being part of the problem. BRB-You must honestly not be reading what I am saying. I have said many things that are critical of the Republican leadership. I have been highly critical of Boehner and McConnell for not standing up for what they were elected to do. But I have also stated that it's the opposition of the GOP leadership to offer an alternative to Obamacare if they are/were opposed to it. I've stated that 2 or 3 times throughout many threads. You earlier claimed I wasn't offering solutions to this debate on gun violence, when in fact I had previously. On the contrary, I've rarely heard you critical of Obama, and mainly just of Republicans. It took about 10 attempts in this thread before you would admit that Obama's language and approach was wrong, and instead of just coming out and calling a spade a spade, you go off on tangents claiming I'm not offering solutions and am never critical of Republicans, which again I've proven otherwise.

Zoogs-A Good President is one that can bring the country (and both parties) together on key issues, and this does not mean Obama has to do everything Republicans want, but I struggle many issues he has pushed that Republicans have supported. I much prefer the leadership style Bill Clinton employed as I've stated multiple times. He realized the country in the mid-90s was fed up of welfare excess, and rather than going further into his own corner and taking a stand against the newly-elected GOP Congress, he openly and publicly reached out by saying "the era of big government is over", and that set the tone for some great things to happen. We are a center-right nation, and have been for a long-time. Bill Clinton quickly realized that after 2 years in office, and modified his governing approach accordingly.

Zoogs-You are missing the entire point again. I'm not stating that only Republicans are right, but that it's the job of the President, regardless of party, to set the tone and help encourage open and fair debate on topics. From Day one that Obama took office, he set a tone that he was going to do things his way, and has rarely reached across the aisle in an honest way to reach consensus. His gun control statement after the Oregon shooting is just one of many examples of him publicly stating his intentions, of which are hard to backpedal from in order to make a deal with the other side. Again, Bill Clinton was able to reach to the other side, so I'm not being partisan about this, but just stating the facts. Gallup has shown that Obama is the most partisan President in US history, and these statements are why. You can continue to point blame at everything and everyone else, but he is the one that made the statements that are being condemned. As for Landlord's statement of being proven wrong, that if laughable. You are the one that on the prior page of this thread, stated all I was doing was complaining about the President without offering solutions, when just 3 posts before yours I did lay out "solutions" which you chose to ignore. I also offered ideas on how the President can set the tone and improve the process for having fair and honest debate, which again you chose to ignore. Nice try though.

As someone pointed out earlier, I am not the President, and the same goes for the rest of us. They call it the Bully Pulpit for a reason. He's got the unique ability to set the agenda and tone for how our political leaders operate. Also, I'm not asking that he adopt my exact views, but he should be finding a way to get both sides talking together. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton on many specific issues, but he did a nice job of partnering with the opposing party and made some great headway on some of the key issues of the time (like welfare reform). He may have the unique ability to set an agenda, to guide how our political leaders operate. That doesn't mean those political leaders will operate exactly how they should according to the agenda, and there really isn't much the President can do if the other side of the aisle refuses to be amicable, and that's exactly what's going on. Even when Obama has been willing to make compromises, his compromises are flat-out rejected by House and Senate Republicans because they don't completely conform to what they want. Hence why I say the attitude of "I'll respect the President as soon as he does what I want him to", doesn't really help mend the divide. It makes no sense for the President to give up everything he's been fighting for just to say he got something done (which is literally what the House and Senate GOP wants). He's been willing to compromise, they're the ones who've refused to accept anything other than total concession, and yet it's the President's fault because he got mad about another school shooting--the continued result of inaction? Makes sense. I don't think anyone is saying he should do what everyone else wants. In fact, he's done much of what he wanted, and has bypassed normal processes for more executive orders than I've seen from any other President. I'd like some great examples of when President Obama has taken a middle ground on an issue, or openly showed a willingness to compromise. There was none of that on Obamacare, none of that on the Iran trade deal, none of that in his immigration executive orders, etc.. He also has not put forward an honest proposal on how to balance the budget and address our fiscal crisis. Again, as I stated previously, other Democratic Presidents have done this, and Bill Clinton did this often, especially after losing part or all of Congress. That is a big reason that the public had higher confidence in Washington in general (Executive and Legislative branches). It's amazing to me that many Obama supporters continue to defend his comments after the Oregon shooting. To any average non-partisan voter, his tone and timing were way off base, and if you can't even admit that, you are so biased it's hard to accept anything you might say. This is no different than when Bush 43 told Fema Director Brown he was doing a great job. Even though I'm a Conservative, I knew that was the wrong thing to say, and openly admitted it.

This is a double-edged sword. I do agree with much of what Keyshawn stated, and understand that many recruits read our message boards and would be turned off by all the negativity. But this is why it was so important for Riley and staff to win some of these early games. They had tons of momentum going on the recruiting front, and it's gone completely quiet. Recruits know that, at a school like Nebraska, the pressure from fans can be so overwhelming that it will lead to pressure on the administration to look at another coaching change. These 2016 recruits (like Keyshawn's gang) like Nebraska but especially Riley and his staff, and if they feel the staff may be gone soon, they will drop us from their list. These are kids that are highly rated that want to take NU to the next level and feel they can. But, as one person said, we just need to win games and this will take care of itself.

I would really like it to if the President can move the conversation forward on the GUN VIOLENCE issue. Stating he has to move it forward on "Gun Control" issue is presuming that is the solution to the problem, and that is at its core where the fundamental disagreement is. This is a gun violence issue with multiple causes, and the left wants to just assume a few gun control laws can be put in place and it will solve the issue.

That's impossible. Obama cannot force the Republicans to talk to him, and they expressly obstructed him on everything he did as a matter of policy. You cannot blame Obama for not talking to the Republicans. He tried, they wouldn't listen. He has not tried working with them, and it started in his first term. He was dead set in ramming Obamacare through, and that is what he did. Members of both parties of Congress didn't even get to read the final bill (as Pelosi stated) as it was a big rush. If he really wanted to put the GOP on the spot for not offering solutions on that topic, which I agree they need to do more, he should have called their key leaders together, in an open forum, to let all of us decide. He promised to be a transparent President, and from day one, he has not been. And I've said repeatedly that both sides need to come to the table, but again, as President, he is the one that should be leading that, not dividing us further with his politicized partisan rhetoric.

As someone pointed out earlier, I am not the President, and the same goes for the rest of us. They call it the Bully Pulpit for a reason. He's got the unique ability to set the agenda and tone for how our political leaders operate. Also, I'm not asking that he adopt my exact views, but he should be finding a way to get both sides talking together. I didn't agree with Bill Clinton on many specific issues, but he did a nice job of partnering with the opposing party and made some great headway on some of the key issues of the time (like welfare reform).

Did you read the entire thread? This thread was very specific to the timing of Obama's comments hours after the tragedy and the divisive nature of his rhetoric. I offered a very specific explanation of what he could have said to set the tone for a respectful discourse on this topic, and just explained a multi-step approach I would have taken as a leader to bring the opposing sides together. I deal with opposing views all the time as a leader at my organization and certainly do not condone the approach he took. Do you approve of his comments last Thursday...both the timing and tone of them? I said in my post your complaints may be very valid. Do you think complaining about the president is going to fix the problem? Well I think its going to take a lot to fix the problem, but I think its good for any of us to hold our leaders accountable, especially when they are taking actions or making comments that take us further away from fixing the problem. I have been just as critical of Boehner, McConnell, and other Republicans for their inaction or unfortunate statements, but at the end of the day, there is one elected official that has more votes than any other elected official that sets the tone for our entire federal government and has the most power to influence change for the better...that is the President. Presidents get all the glory, but they also need to be able to take the heat when they screw up. This President still has a chance to bring both sides together and follow some of the points I referenced above if he is truly committed to solving this problem. Let us pray that he is able to do so. Great...I said your complaints about the President may be very valid. Yaaaa....good job. Now, are we also holding the conservative leaders accountable on this issue? And...how are we going to fix the problem? Wow, you are a riot. For starters, as I've said before, the purpose of this thread was a reaction to the President's anger rant after the Oregon shooting, which was so inappropriate that the liberal Washington Post even criticized him yesterday for the approach he took to the issue. And that is what I have laid out explaining how I think a President should approach it. You and Landlord can criticize all you want, but it's the President (regardless of party) that people look up to, not Mitch McConnell or whoever Boehner's replacement is. Now I would expect the GOP to also come to the table of a summit and be open and honest as well. As for specifics, I just laid out specifics on how to reduce loss of life in school settings...did you not care for that SPECIFIC solution to that particular problem? Finally, I do find it quite hypocritical of you to make this recent post considering the last post you made in the Planned Parenthood discussion was solely critical of GOP Congressmen "grandstanding" to use your own term when asking questions. You were complaining about the "process" being deployed without offering a single solution on how we can reduce abortions in this country. What are your plans for reducing the number of abortions in this country? Or do you just want to criticize elected leaders for their tone and process? You do a nice job of pretending you are totally objective and split down the middle in all of your posts, yet you do quite a bit of criticizing of GOP politicians and often are not providing your own solutions to the core issues.

I am not sure I would say Bo was lucky, but I do think you are correct in that the ship was already sinking, with NU finishing the 2014 season with a 1-3 record. We have now started the 2015 season with a 2-3 record. Pelini ended his tenure poorly, and Riley has started off poorly. We are 5 games in though to Riley's tenure, and need to let the full season play out to see if there is any improvement along the way. If there are still terrible coaching decisions like we saw against Illinois, he's not going to have many fans by the end of the year.

Well part of the problem with this topic is that its so big and broad it's difficult for anyone to get their arms around it. But, if you break it down into more management pieces, such as "how do we reduce killings of innocent lives by guns in a school setting," the solution seems more achievable. One option that could meet this solution, but that would require TONS of money, would be to add metal detectors to every school, limit the entrances and exits into those school dramatically, and have an armed guard at the entrance. Again, that may not seem feasible given the cost, but it would definitely deter those wanting to do harm in schools, and should they try to enter, their chance of killing many innocent students is greatly diminished. But, say we went to all that trouble, a criminal is still a criminal and wants to hurt others. They would find a different way to penetrate the school with explosives or something that would bypass the metal detector, so it really gets back to finding ways to track likely killers, and allowing our federal government more power to see our emails, phone calls, social media, etc... to stay on top of potential mass killers.

Did you read the entire thread? This thread was very specific to the timing of Obama's comments hours after the tragedy and the divisive nature of his rhetoric. I offered a very specific explanation of what he could have said to set the tone for a respectful discourse on this topic, and just explained a multi-step approach I would have taken as a leader to bring the opposing sides together. I deal with opposing views all the time as a leader at my organization and certainly do not condone the approach he took. Do you approve of his comments last Thursday...both the timing and tone of them? I said in my post your complaints may be very valid. Do you think complaining about the president is going to fix the problem? Well I think its going to take a lot to fix the problem, but I think its good for any of us to hold our leaders accountable, especially when they are taking actions or making comments that take us further away from fixing the problem. I have been just as critical of Boehner, McConnell, and other Republicans for their inaction or unfortunate statements, but at the end of the day, there is one elected official that has more votes than any other elected official that sets the tone for our entire federal government and has the most power to influence change for the better...that is the President. Presidents get all the glory, but they also need to be able to take the heat when they screw up. This President still has a chance to bring both sides together and follow some of the points I referenced above if he is truly committed to solving this problem. Let us pray that he is able to do so.

Did you read the entire thread? This thread was very specific to the timing of Obama's comments hours after the tragedy and the divisive nature of his rhetoric. I offered a very specific explanation of what he could have said to set the tone for a respectful discourse on this topic, and just explained a multi-step approach I would have taken as a leader to bring the opposing sides together. I deal with opposing views all the time as a leader at my organization and certainly do not condone the approach he took. Do you approve of his comments last Thursday...both the timing and tone of them?

If I were just offering criticism, your point would be valid. But I explained why I was critical, and offered a step by step approach to how the situation could have been handled better.

I'm not talking about the culture of the politics of the gun violence debate, but our societal culture overall. I do agree both sides need to come together and have a respectful discourse, but that is hard to do when the ultimate leader of this nation is deepening the divide. Here is what Obama should do if he wanted to be an effective leader. 1. Allow several days to go by to let the family members and friends mourn the loss. 2. Put together a summit (or whatever you want to call it) from both parties in the coming weeks 3. Have the debate scheduled on television so the process is open and transparent, and all Americans can hear what both sides are saying. 4. Determine what common ground is out there, and act on that initially, but state that the dialogue is just a starting point. A real leader doesn't play to his or her special interests or party but pulls people together to tackle the core of an issue. Because of Obama's anger rant last Thursday, the two sides in this debate are even further apart now than they were prior to the shooting. That is not what I expect out of the POTUS, whether its a Dem or Republican.

Why don't we ask all those who intend to kill others with a gun to come forward and turn in their guns?

BRB-I agree with you on most points, but I think the most important point is the recognition that gun violence is a cultural issue, and that is where the dialogue must begin. If both sides are still debating whether or not the weapon of choice to commit the crime is the issue, then the issue will never get resolved. We need to focus on what types of things would make someone want to commit such a crime. And the entire point of this thread is that, with such a hot button issue like this, within hours of a horrific tragedy, this President chose to add fuel to the fire and push both sides of the debate to their corners, rather than trying to bring them together. Real leadership is about bringing opposing views together, and that is something this President is lacking. Someone made a great point that, if the POTUS really felt so strongly about gun control as he demonstrated last week in his rant, why didn't he pass such legislation in 2009/2010 when the Dems had all 3 branches of government?

There will not be boos at Saturday's game. There were many times under the prior regime where it would have made sense to boo, and you really didn't see it (like when the tapes leaked where Pelini told the fans to f*ck off).

I don't think 5 games is too early to judge the coaches, but I do think it's still too early to call for the Head coach to be fired. The five teams we have played thus far have a combined record of 16-8, and all have a winning record. I know they have not all been games against the toughest opponents, but what I am looking for the rest of this season is for the team to play consistent and clean football in all three phases. One week the offense looks solid but the D is terrible, then it's switched the next week. We need the offense, defense, and special teams to click on all cylinders. I honestly think this Illinois loss can be turned into a positive in that it has ended the honeymoon period and will force the coaches to up their focus and attention to detail, as well as give them incentive to push the players harder. In the honeymoon phase, if the fans, coaches, and players all feel they still have time to work out the kinks, it will take more time for those kinks to be worked out. The coaches backs are against the wall now, and the players too, so we will see if they look improved next weekend. If Riley is as competitive as everyone says on the inside, then he's going to be pushing the assistant coaches and team pretty hard from here on out.

I am just the opposite, I am proud to be a part of a fan base that wants to win and recognizes that an inept coaching staff has cost us 2 games so far. I agree that we will not make a coaching change after one year, as frustrated as any of us are. I also expected us to struggle this year, but the Illinois game is a bit different in that I put the loss squarely on the coaches. Some of the other mistakes in prior losses appears to be primarily a result of players out of position or not executing the plan. I think NU fans have been so frustrated Callahan and Pelini that patience for Riley (or whoever the new coach would have been) is very thin.