MidnightRider

So now you want to get personal, okay dude, that's usually what folks like you do when they are running out of argument points. Get personal hero, it's your world the rest of us cower in your shadow. I served on a SWAT team with former military personnel and none of them had the attitude you do. Congratulations on saving the world buddy. How did I make it personal? It's too bad you feel that way but If my identifying a certain mindset of a group of individuals is "making it personal" then I don't know what to tell you. Oh, and I'm no hero, just somebody calling b#llshit where it's due. You self-identified with a term that is reserved for a very select few units/men. You are not a member of those units or you would know better than to toss that term around so casually. Not sure where you were going with the whole "cower in your shadow" came from but that's just ridiculous. I don't think I'm some bad-assed super hero running around saving the day. Paint me as whatever you want to though so long as you can keep detracting from the fact the the militarization of the Police is out of control. Watch the vid lo country posted. It's a parody of all the "Operators" running around out there now. Maybe that will help you understand. Edit: Why didn't you just ID yourself as a SWAT dude and leave the Operator part out? OK, I just re-read muy post and I can see where you think I was getting personal. My apologies if you thought the terms applied to the fools in CA were meant for you. They were not. As for the operator part? That point still stands. Because that was the official title when I joined the SWAT team, entry operator, still is, don't care if you agree with that or not. None of the Navy Seals that were on the team gave a crap, none of the former special forces guys gave a crap, none of the Rangers gave a crap, none of the Marine Recon guys gave a crap. But, since you do I should change my terminology? Yeah, watch how quickly I do that, it ain't gonna happen. Now, if one of the guys I was on the team with wanted guys to not use that term I'd do that. Why? Because I share something with them I don't with you, loyalty. Nothing personal.........is what it is. And your holier than thou attitude and opinion comes across as cocky and arrogant. I call a spade a spade and it comes across in your posts. You have your opinion and you're not going to change it no matter what, cool congratulations on that, I have mine as well and I'm not going to change it for some dude on an internet message board. You prep in your bunker or whatever for the day that the militarization of the police force reaches its culmination. Until then all you have is your opinion................. Yup, and I'll call a spade a spade as well. I have four of a kind. What you got?

Show me where I ever claimed to be an Operator. Just once. Please? You can't, because I didn't. So... are you? Or were you? Not pertinent to this discussion. What is though, is my assertion that LEO is militarizing at an alarming rate. If you don't see it, I can't help you. And way to "moderate" with your smartass comments to my legitimate concerns, regardless of how they are conveyed. Stay awesome!

Again. I never said it was a problem. My issue with your statement is that you want to ridicule people for being afraid of seeing someone walk down the street with a weapon in their hands. Maybe that person is harmless and just expressing their rights. maybe they are psycho and looking to open fire on a crowded street. Since no one knows the intent. It's not wrong to pucker up a little. They don't need people like you calling them names while it happens. Damn. You did it again. BRI's scenario NEVER mentioned the weapon being carried in someone's hands. It was strapped across his back. But you already knew that because I called you on it previously. Yes, my reaction would absolutely be different if someone had a weapon at the ready and looked a bit sketchy but that was not how it was laid out originally. You seem to be stuck on that though... I use the term "in their hands" to define carrying it on their person in any capacity. Because in all reality if a sketchy person was walking down the street with the gun strapped to their back, I wouldn't feel any more comfortable than if it were physically in their hands. But whatever, you calling people cowardly sheeple was the area I had a problem with because it was an ignorant statement. Oh, my bad. I didn't know we were the adding the variable/qualifier of "sketchy person." Forgive me, I must have missed that initially (in reality, I'm too lazy to go look but I'm certain that you didn't). Or, conversely, maybe you just didn't state such in your previous posts. Why didn't you just do that in the first place? If I saw someone I ID'd as "sketchy" doing anything, that is a game changer. Completely. Problem is, I don't remember you doing that in any of your previous posts regarding someone open carrying. If you did, my apologies and please point me to that post becasue I damned sure missed it. Oh, and it sure did take you a lot of posts to define "in their hands" as "carrying it on their person in any capacity." Forgive me for not making that "simple" leap in logic.

Again. I never said it was a problem. My issue with your statement is that you want to ridicule people for being afraid of seeing someone walk down the street with a weapon in their hands. Maybe that person is harmless and just expressing their rights. maybe they are psycho and looking to open fire on a crowded street. Since no one knows the intent. It's not wrong to pucker up a little. They don't need people like you calling them names while it happens. Damn. You did it again. BRI's scenario NEVER mentioned the weapon being carried in someone's hands. It was strapped across his back. But you already knew that because I called you on it previously. Yes, my reaction would absolutely be different if someone had a weapon at the ready and looked a bit sketchy but that was not how it was laid out originally. You seem to be stuck on that though...

So now you want to get personal, okay dude, that's usually what folks like you do when they are running out of argument points. Get personal hero, it's your world the rest of us cower in your shadow. I served on a SWAT team with former military personnel and none of them had the attitude you do. Congratulations on saving the world buddy. How did I make it personal? It's too bad you feel that way but If my identifying a certain mindset of a group of individuals is "making it personal" then I don't know what to tell you. Oh, and I'm no hero, just somebody calling b#llshit where it's due. You self-identified with a term that is reserved for a very select few units/men. You are not a member of those units or you would know better than to toss that term around so casually. Not sure where you were going with the whole "cower in your shadow" came from but that's just ridiculous. I don't think I'm some bad-assed super hero running around saving the day. Paint me as whatever you want to though so long as you can keep detracting from the fact the the militarization of the Police is out of control. Watch the vid lo country posted. It's a parody of all the "Operators" running around out there now. Maybe that will help you understand. Edit: Why didn't you just ID yourself as a SWAT dude and leave the Operator part out? OK, I just re-read muy post and I can see where you think I was getting personal. My apologies if you thought the terms applied to the fools in CA were meant for you. They were not. As for the operator part? That point still stands.

Damnit, you beat me to it. All of his videos are hilarious.

Show me where I ever claimed to be an Operator. Just once. Please? You can't, because I didn't.

BRI, Dude, you can justify your ramping up of weaponry as vehicles all you want. Fact is, since 9/11, LEO all across the country at all levels have been in a frenzy of militarization. Do you deny that? And as far as your comments about MIL dudes f#cking up, of course they do. The HUGE difference is that we police our own. You all pull up the Blue Wall and never publically ridicule the jacked up actions of another officer. Other than the dude in TX whom posts his disciplinary actions on Facebook, I have never seen it. It's ironic in this case that you mention the actions of a few. In my experience, the silence from your side of the fence once Thin Blue Line is in effect, is deafening. Show me some cases where an officer publicly called bullsh#t on something a fellow officer did. Take the idiots in CA who lit up the two paper delivery ladies, mistakenly thinking it was Dorner. Oops, turns out it was two women in a pickup delivering newspapers. Those f#cktards got remedial training. What do you suppose the charges would be for me? Prison, that's what. Too many of your kind operate with impunity and citizens are injured, mamied and killed all the time becuase of it. All becasue of absolute fear, lack of training and the "I'm going home at night, no matter what" mindset (see example above). Until you (LEO at all levels) realize that you are a major componenet of the problem, we'll continue down this road. While we're on the military theme, I noticed in another thread that you were an "Operator." AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. You most certainly are, or were not an Operator. Just becasue you jocked up/played dress up, stacked up and kicked doors does NOT make you an Operator. Sure sounds like you want to be one though. Thanks for furthering my point.

My apologies, must have been Junior. Regardless, you thinking that legally carrying a gun down the street is still a problem. What is your solution?

No. What is simple minded is you thinking you can infringe upon my (and millions of other law abiding gun owners) rights to solve an unsolveable problem. That's the problem with acting on emotion, instead of logic. Simple minded, indeed. Crazy people are gonna do crazy sh#t. Period. How do you propose we fix that? By taking MY rights as a law abiding, tax paying gun owning citizen, away? Just admit it, you gun control people have NO idea how to fix the problem but damnit, "we have to DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING! Do it for the kids." What a joke. Edit: I would love to take this conversation back to the Gun Control thread and hear how your ideas are going to fix the issue. Problem is, I asked people some very pointed questions in that thread that nobody seems to want to answer. You wanna give it a shot?

Then why ask me to explain? Because I was curious as to what your answer would be. Once you went off on that tangent with a completey different scenario than what BRI presented, you lost me. The whole "If you were standing in line at a movie theatre minding your own business and you see someone walking through the parking lot with an AR-15 in their hands" presents a vastly different scenario than what BRI posited, which was "open carry with a rifle" and was a disingenuous attempt to slant things to your view. That is why. Explain to me in today's society and recent history of violence where any type of open public carry of a weapon wouldn't or shouldn't cause alarm in these "sheeple" as you call them. Try to stay away from "walking into a gun show", "walking into a shooting range", "walking into a sporting goods store to buy ammo", etc... The whole point of my comment, regardless of scenario, is that your belief in shaming people because of how they feel is highly inappropriate and does nothing to make the topic of conversation better. You seem like an intelligent person. You have strong opinions about the government and other topics. I'm just not sure why you felt the need to make the statement that you did. LOL. Recent history of violence? Mankind has been violent his entire existence. We simply have different weapons with which to visit violence upon one another, as technology advances through time. Humans can be brutal, savage and downright barbaric. I've seen it, many times. That will never, ever change no matter what you or anyone else thinks or does. Besides, aren't we currently at something like a 50 year low for violent crime? You assume to know what I'm thinking. I can assure you, you do not. And you're pretty bad at assumptions (see second paragraph above, akin to the "walking out of the woods" comment you posted earlier). Anything to fit your narrative though, right? I most certainly wasn't attempting to shame anyone with my posts (see? you went and did it again, really badly too). I equate an irrational fear of an inanimate object (one which eventually leads to someone making a run at my Constitutional rights), cowardice. That should clear up your questioning why I said what I said. And as for being highly inappropriate? That's your opinion but that really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me are my rights. Wait. In an earlier post of yours I was simple minded, now I seem intelligent? HOT DAMN! The Gingko Biloba and Lumosity are working!

Then why ask me to explain? Because I was curious as to what your answer would be. Once you went off on that tangent with a completey different scenario than what BRI presented, you lost me. The whole "If you were standing in line at a movie theatre minding your own business and you see someone walking through the parking lot with an AR-15 in their hands" presents a vastly different scenario than what BRI posited, which was "open carry with a rifle" and was a disingenuous attempt to slant things to your view. That is why.

Better add paranoia to that list. This anti-cop thing you're pushing here is swell and all, and hooray! you're an island and you don't need cops to do anything for you, and we're all terribly impressed. So kudos for all that. Me? I'm kinda glad we have the police around. They've done a couple of good things, like the dramatic decrease in violent crime over the past few decades and saving the occasional kitten from a tree. I suppose it's a good and vigilant thing to go through life expecting trouble. But it's seemed to me, in my clearly anecdotal experience, that the people who expect to find trouble are the ones most likely to have trouble. Those who expect not, tend to not. I'm not anti-cop. I'm anti-militarization of the police and I'm anti-dumb asses whom don't know the Constitution. Big difference. Society would quickly descend into madness with no police and I don't want that. I just want the headlong rush to paramilitary to stop. And the trampling of rights. I'm not trying to impress anyone, not sure where you got that.

No, we aren't. Ummm...ok.

Perfect response by Carlfense. Perfect? In what way, exactly? That it's crazy to be scared of a dude with a gun walking down the street, minding his own business? I agree. I believe calling someone a crazy, cowardly, sheeple for being scared, concerned, or worried about seeing some dude walking down the street with a gun is one of the simple minded comments I have read on here. And that says something. And don't try to justify your comment by using a scenario about a guy going hunting and he is walking out of a Cabela's with his shotgun in his hand. Let's keep it real. If you were standing in line at a movie theatre minding your own business and you see someone walking through the parking lot with an AR-15 in their hands, neither you nor anyone in that line is sticking around to find out what that person is up to. That's not cowardly sheep. That's being smart and aware of your surroundings. The scenario you presented isn't anywhere close to what BRI posted. The rest of what you posted? Meh, your opinion means nothing to me.