Frustrated

Just now, talaricohusker said:

Jacksonville Jags don’t play in the NCAA they play in the NFL key word he said was College

Character matters

1 minute ago, Frustrated said:

Jacksonville would like a word.

as would 2018 Ohio State, but sure...he walks on water

1 minute ago, Archy1221 said:

Maybe his entire college coaching history

Jacksonville would like a word.

2 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

It’s because your opinions paint the picture that Urbans ceiling here would be 8 wins yet unproven coaches have a higher potential.

 

and hey it’s not hookers it’s just young co eds, big difference

LOL, fair point. But, I doubt either of us really know whether hookers are off limits. My point is I don't think he achieves success here. 8, 10, 13...I think if he takes the job, he does it solely for the money (buyout) and mails in the rest. He's a jacka$$. I work because I get paid a salary, sure. But my effort reflects completely on my employer and my reputation is all I have to attract new business. I just don't believe he has the character to be invested. I believe he negotiates a golden parachute and works harder to jump out of the plane. Like Frost. He had to know that he was in WAY over his head. But he got the last laugh

Kansas is up 28-14 over Houston. On the road after a major weather delay. It's possible to turn the suck around with the right personnel and support. We have the support...

9 minutes ago, PaulCrewe said:

Still waiting for how Urban would not get NU to relevance theory from ya.  

It was a good analysis.  I mean Urban should get no credit for Utah though.  Going 22-2 in his only two years and recommending the promotion of WIttingham. 

Going to be a long wait. But thank you for the compliment. I disagree with you. Completely. it's that simple. But seriously, get out your checkbook and write a check to NU Athletics, put in the memo it's for Urban's "hookers and blow" fund. Whatever it takes. He's wrong for the program. That's my opinion. Why do you get opinions but I don't? I stand by my opinion that he absolutely does not bring Nebraska back to relevance. Happy to be proven wrong though. But I won't be. He's not the guy. Great fantasy tho

1 minute ago, TonkaSker said:

 

Here’s a guy that pointed out five great comps for where we should be. Not USC, not Clemson. 
 

Baylor and Arkansas were in really dire straights not long ago. Both hired highly regarded position coaches/coordinators that were football junkies. Both have a strong identity and recruit to it. No need to stray from it because it works. They’re also extremely disciplined and have coaches that hold themselves to the same standard. 
 

BYU and Utah are both interesting because they were never bad and they have a lot of cultural elements going. Great fans, etc. sound familiar? They just made great hires and were patient. Neither was flipped overnight. 

Kentucky is the slow rebuild nobody wants to commit to. Fundamentals, recruiting to scheme, technique, and depth are all the reasons why. It would be hard to replicate due to proximity to talent but the blueprint would translate. 
 

Unfortunately none of the coaches are coming because these programs have the money to retain and recruit. That said, Nebraska should be in this group of schools. This is our ceiling. Grind, make the 12-team, and when a QB clicks you get a shot at making a run. Unless you’re Georgia, Alabama, or OSU this is your best bet. I could see Texas emerging in this group since they’ll probably pick up steam and Sark knows how to make it work. 

again, this is solid thinking. Not the knee-jerk "if we get Urban, we'll be relevant" nonsense. No, this is factual, well-reasoned and high-level analysis.

8 minutes ago, TonkaSker said:

An injury and another injury and you’re back at 3-9. Proves my point. Building a winning organization takes consistency in recruiting to your scheme and teaching technique. Not fun or sexy but look around at who wins and they’ve got great teachers and tons of depth. 
 

Minnesota might be annoying but they’re on the right track. Iowa and Wisconsin do it on one side of the ball. 
 

UGA/Bama/OSU/Clemson have a decade of recruiting and development on the whole country which is why everyone is so far behind them. A&M is not far behind. LSU will be there shortly and so will Florida. Nebraska hasn’t even started the process. 

in a nutshell, this lays out the problems we face

1 minute ago, PaulCrewe said:

Yet your bench mark is the bolded, cause you said you expect more than 8 wins.  Interesting.   

I said I want more than 7-8 wins/year. But feel free to misinterpret my words to fit your narrative. Doesn't bother me. We need a coach who fits who we are. With a system that fits who we are. Back to basics. Strength and conditioning, team first, walk-ons...everybody working toward a common goal. We should compete for what is the big ten west every year (didn't say win, but we should be in the hunt every year until realignment happens again and I will reevaluate), we should be competitive in the conference championship game when we win the West. 2012 was unacceptable. If we win the conference championship, then we set our sights on a couple more games in an expanded playoff. But first, the division. PLay in a decent bowl game, not some garbage 4th tier game in Detroit. But we need to become eligible to play in a bowl game first. It is all possible. I just disagree that Urban Meyer is the guy to do it - why is that so hard for you to understand? It's my opinion as you have yours. I sincerely hope Urban signs a longterm contract after talking to Trev, and look forward you sending me these messages in a few years and saying "I told you so" I just don't think that will ever happen.

Just now, Go Furself said:

I want Luke Fickell.

 

I do not want Urban. Again, during the pregame, Trev preached he is looking for a coach to lead by serving the players. Don't see Trev hiring a guy caught drunk and snatch grabbing in a bar not too long ago because he was about to get fired to lead.

This is solid logic. Top to bottom, good points and a solid choice

Just now, PaulCrewe said:

Again, did you just try to relate what Urb has accomplished as a college coach and Frost???????

 

 

I related what Urban did in college in the past with our fanbase's weird obsession with where we were in the 1970s/1980s. Apples and oranges. Florida/tOSU are not Nebraska. End of story. But get him, give him a billion dollars, makes no difference to me. I'll still watch and I'll still be frustrated when we lose.

1 minute ago, gossamorharpy said:

If your objection is only tied to the baggage tied to him that’s fine.
 

But to make the argument urban would top out at 8 wins meanwhile coaches who don’t have his track record could do better, you lost me

My objection is related to so much more. Baggage is a significant part of it. My 7-8 wins comment wasn't related to him but many people here who have professed to want that many. He isn't going to come to Lincoln and magically produce a new culture, he's toxic. But, if that's what everyone wants, fine. I am on record. Urban is only going to sign a coaching contract if he has a HUGE financial stake, win or lose. He simply doesn't have to do otherwise. I don't think we need to sell out the future (again) because of something he did in the past (sound familiar? it should). Again, feel free to want him. He's toxic. But please continue. I know what I believe and I doubt I'm wrong. Let's offer him the entire TV contract money! That should get him here.

14 minutes ago, Huskerfollower4life said:

Is Bo a better coach then Urban Meyer? What makes you think Urban Meyer is only going to just get 7-8 wins??? What makes you think he isn't going to surround himself with the best possible staff to help him succeed and with money to spend. They showed all those All-American players pictures on tv today and its a disgrace to them and the players on the team to NOT HAVE THE BEST PRODUCT ON THE FOOTBALL FIELD. Its a disgrace to the former players that worked so hard to bring excellence to the university and its a disgrace to current players bc they aren't being taught by the best coaches available to them. Lets settle. Settling is the way to go get the f out of here with that crap.

maybe put down the bottle. What makes YOU think that Urban Meyer is going to come to Lincoln, recruit players and coaches and magically win?

4 minutes ago, PaulCrewe said:

Sorry your slow and I'll try to draw you a picture to help you understand my response to your post.

 

YOU JUST DESCRIBED SCOTT FROST 5 YEARS AGO.

 

And please name a coach that could meet your benchmark.  LIke within five years of being hired.  I'll wait......................

 

Probably gonna have to be here a while, but I'll wait.................

Ha! I was never a scott Frost fan. He was a mediocre QB in a great system who didn't need to throw a lot. Wasn't sold on him at UCf. How about an up-and-comer coordinator, say a Jim Leonard at Wisconsin or similar? But feel free to tell me why this job is the same as Columbus or even Saban's deal in Tuscaloosa because it isn't. We need someone fairly obscure in my opinion, someone with everything to prove.

2 minutes ago, PaulCrewe said:

The bolded kinda go hand in hand there chief.  And for the most part you pretty much described a recent coaching failure five years ago.

 

 

Oh yeah. I'm sure hiring him magically results in a ton of wins in Lincoln. My bad. He's bad for the program. I'll keep saying it because it's true.

OK. You kool-aid drinkers win. Hire Urban. But never, ever complain when he takes the money, doesn't produce the results you want and leaves. 7-8 wins a season is not my benchmark. It's higher. We had Bo. We ran him out of town. At this point, we don't deserve nice things. 

But sure, Urban is the savior.

For my part, I am hoping for an up-and-comer who is willing to take a few calculated risks to build a program with a cohesive vision and plan and make a name for himself. 

3 minutes ago, chamrocck said:

I say a rebuild either through existing player development or new players. It’s likely some of both. It’s painfully obvious our LBs are not conference material.  Not sure they would start on my son’s HS team. Could someone come in and develop some of the DL and secondary? I think probably.

existing player development isn't a rebuild

I thought we had a great transfer portal (into the program) class??? For years, I've been reading all about how we have the talent...

Maybe we don't? Total rebuild. Frame off restoration for me. Even the footballs. Start over from scratch.

5 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

According to Wikipedia, he's already been hired 

id Wikipedia says so, it must be true.

Indiana wins in OT. 

His legacy for me will always be buying fake National Champ t-shirts at UCF.

This is a joke, right?

2 minutes ago, Rich N said:

Bingo. People act as if this program has been perfect and squeaky clean. 

We fired Bo because he was not "nice enough" - this isn't me talking, it's the collective "program" - the "Nebraska Nice" image and all

3 minutes ago, lo country said:

Just offer and get the PR train rolling and line up the recruits.

short summary: tons of players arrested, fake heart attack, toxic locker room, left before the Gator implosion, cheating, scandal...I'll pass. He has nothing to gain and everything to lose. If he comes to Lincoln, it is simply a money grab and he won't care about the team.

1 minute ago, HuskerInLostWages said:

Only found that out a few days ago thanks to Reddit, if a coach is fire mid season kids can go into the portal for 30 days.  Everyone was amazed we hadn't seen anyone go into it and all our recruits saying "All N" in tweets.

The portal part of this seems like it needs it's own thread to me. I didn't know that.