NM11046

Like moth to a flame.  

Those that laugh most on this forum would benefit the most from deprogramming.

I am not sure ... do they have the problem with any males that have PhDs?  Seems like I don't hear them raising up about all those folks that often, in fact when it works for them they highlight the MD.

In addition to this teaching in schools we'd need to have some sort of deprograming and teaching for adults.

22 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I don’t know police protocol at all I fully admit. I would just assume, more urgency when someone is holding a hammer on a break in call.  
 

I sleep in shorts and a tshirt not a button down shirt.  That’s why it’s weird to me.  And as you said, it’s 2 a.m. in skivies….why the cocktail? 

 

I don’t really think it was a planned meeting.  It’s just a weird deal all around.  Did the house alarm go off.  Maybe he forgot to turn it on.  I’m sure they have one given the resident of the property.  
 

Why do you constantly assume things that aren’t the case??  I don’t believe it was a sexual tryst or whatever else you have read that’s cooky.  I think it’s just a weird break-in situation that’s interesting to see on camera.  (Just an fyi….my house got broken into 13 years ago next month at 3:19 am with my wife coming face to face holding our 2nd old (now 15) with the intruders who thankfully immediately left….unfortunately with some of our stuff.  Our experience was vastly different, not to say everyone’s is going to be the same.  I don’t know how you could possibly think this is even semi normal for a break in though.  And for someone to have a differing opinion than you on this doesn’t mean there is some grand conspiracy theory going (which in ever claimed to have or even try to insinuate). 
 

It’s sad you just continually assume things that aren’t the case.   
 

I feel it’s almost more of a police inaction issue more than anything else.   

Yea Archy,, I'm not making any assumptions on your posts because you are nothing if not consistent.  Your "I'm just asking questions" technique is the same one your party uses any time a news report/truth doesn't play into your line of thinking.  You do it here continuously after getting a response that paints you into a corner,  It's either that or you try to utilize some nuance on word choice to attempt to tie up the other poster, like claiming Jeffries was proposing an insurrection because he used the word immediately.  It's all just so trite.

I saw the whole things but I don't know that it was in order.  Seems like different agencies were publishing different tapes.

WHen I viewed it I saw him doing everything or trying to do everything he was asked ... but they still yelled it at him.  "GET DOWN" (he already was) as an ex.  "SHOW YOUR HANDS" (he couldn't because the guy's partners where holding his arms"

And I think the running from them will be the first thing the more "Back the Blue" folks will point to.  I guess I'd ask, what would you do if you were pulled over for no reason, pulled out of a car by 5 police (no lights used by the way which I thought was odd) and then tased?  For sure you'd ask what did I do and then anybody that is fearful of their lives would try to get away.  Fight or flight is a real thing when you are being brutalized by 5 men.

Oh I don't watch him ever.  There are quite a few on the liberal side I can't stomach the bias from.  

Just now, ZRod said:

You're missing the forest for the trees. As I said, progress is slow; the Emancipation Proclamation took place in 1863. The civil rights act came more than 100 years later and was the culmination of more than a decade of demonstration, protests, riots, and violence. Rodney King happened 28 years later. George Floyd was killed 28 years after that.

 

Change takes time. There will be more deaths, as unfortunate as that is. There will probably be more riots. There will be more violations of civil rights and liberty, but a precedence was set in Minnesota, and this incident is proof that tides are moving the right direction. People need to be held accountable for there actions before anything different can happen. This is progress, however small, and however long it took.

Thanks ZRod - in retroscpect I'm in a funk with all the news and violence today.  Just feels like people really suck.

Fox News contributor

5 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

That Paul Pelosi video is VERY weird.  Attacker let’s him open the door, Pelosi is wearing a button shirt with buttons closer but no pants and is holding a cocktail at the time of attack.  
 

And what’s with the police not rushing in when they see a hammer and a slight struggle between the two for the hammer. 

• It was 6 seconds between the cops opening the door and the hammer attack on Mr Pelosi.  
• He broke into the house at 2am - not sure what you sleep in, but there's nothing weird in my book about a man havins skivvies on at that hour.  
• Pelosi was able to keep the guy talking while he went into that bathroom and called the cops, it's my understanding that he put on the shirt then.

If you listen to the 911 call you'll hear he was trying to do all he could to keep the guy calm and rational and get help there all while doing as the intruder said.  Do you think if this was a planned meeting he'd call 911?  I have no clue if he had a cup or what was in it and I don't really care.  The fact that you bring it up just means you've latched onto the conspiracy kook conspiracy ideas.  Pretty sad that after watching this video you still try to make waves about this being anything other than a brutal attack.  Did you watch the guy break into the house?  Does that fit into your thought process of whatever scandelous reason you think the nut was there?

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

It's amazing she can read that with a straight face.

Oh she definitely got many, many pillows for that announcement.

33 minutes ago, ZRod said:

We are not in a terrible spot. That's alarmism and dishonesty by the media. This is what progress looks like. It's often slow, sometimes painful, but it moves us forward.

 

An awful thing happened and this man lost his life; but these people were put on leave, terminated, investigated, and ultimately charged in less than a month. That is exactly how we should expect the police, government, and judicial system to work.

The fact that just this week there have been I think 3 (?)  issues with police overstep leading to individuals' death leads me to think we're in a terrible spot.  I'm happy these 5 had immediate action taken but man, it was 92 when we saw a similar incident take place in CA and how little has changed, really we just have more and better cameras to catch it all.  Should progress on this issue really take 30+ years?  Do you really think that the trauma, harm and the systemic issues done by these folks in powerful positions is only bad cuz the media is telling us so?  Come on man.  There's nothing dishonest about a video that we're going to see tonight - THEY DID HARM TO THIS MAN KNOWING THAT THEY HAD THEIR OWN 5 CAMERAS ON AND RUNNING.  They didn't think it was going to be a problem.  That is the underlying issue.  Not that the right things happened by their superiors after they murdered a man.

16 hours ago, Archy1221 said:

I respectfully disagree, esp with the DINK scenario.  My daughter currently lives about 10 blocks away from where the World Trade Centers once stood and just off the water in the financial district.  She makes $65k and lives with a friend who makes $60k. 2 bd 1 bath with a doorman, security, W&D etc and they are doing just fine paying rent and having some money to explore the city after expenses.  It’s not a lot left, but 2 teachers in NYC would be making $60k more than those two combined if the numbers you showed were correct.  A family would be tighter I definitely agree, but maybe the city could make allowances or something for housing since that’s the major expense.  
 

That said, I certainly wouldn’t begrudge teachers getting paid more or anyone for that matter if they can get it.   I just don’t think teacher pay is the issue for failing schools or even a top 5 reason. Just my opinion. 
 

State level funding with district bonds voted on by the tax payer where I live.  

 

Your tax dollars already go to support private undergraduate and graduate schools. 

Did your daughter by chance move into that property during covid times?

EDIT:  I ask because rents dropped significantly then as so many left the city.  Routine costs now are below, and an example I worked out for 2 bedroom:  

• Total cost per year:  $4795 x 12 = $57,540/2 = $28,770 rent per year per person.  
• Then you have utilities, let's just ballpark (and I think these are low imo, I'm in Boston with similar costs to NYC)  a $100 cell bill, $100 internet/tv, $500 parking/uber/train, $400 food/drink x 12 = $13,200mper person extra costs.
• So $41,970 per year without movies, vacations etc.  And when you get to more bedrooms obviously that goes up.  
• Rule of thumb is one should spend about 30% of gross income on rent/mortgage

Memphis.  At least we're getting proper charges now in many of these cases.  Gotta say I question in TN if there will be a fair outcome if it's a jury trial.

With as much work as they're doing today to try and let folks know how bad it is it must be shockingly terrible.  The head of the department there was on CNN with Don Lemon this am and gave a very candid interview.  If you didn't catch it try to.  Our nation is in a terrible spot.

1 hour ago, Archy1221 said:

Not sure who the “usual suspects are”. They seems to laugh at almost everything post too. I did find your post funny because of below.   My reasoning is you first claim a huge component of failing schools is teacher pay.  Yet if you compare teacher pay in inner city schools and inner city private schools it’s either the same or as you noted less at the private school and outcomes are much different.   It seems you contradict yourself in it being a HUGE problem.  
 

Im all for teachers making as much as they can get.  But 2 income teacher households can lead a pretty decent life even in New York if as you notes it would amount to just shy of $200,000 annually.  They won’t be super wealthy, but summers off and another 1 1/2 months off during the year isn’t welfare either. 
 

I also found your rural argument to not make much sense because if their isn’t a private option for rural students because of distance, those districts aren’t actually losing out on any money and it’s the status quo for them.  If they live in a rural area but larger town like where I grew up, a private school option is in almost all of those places.   The vast majority of the kids in those public schools would end of staying in the public system even with school choice because the schools are relatively good and fit the needs as good as the private options.   Speaking from one persons experience on this along with many family and friends across the state.  

 

 

 

This may all be true, but I think that a HUGE component is teacher pay.  Average salary for a teacher is fairly low if you want to live on it.  

 

I admit when I went looking for sources to back up my opinion I was surprised - in 2022 private schools averaged lower pay than public (I thought it would be the opposite) but in reading why, it comes down to:  1. private schools don't always require certification or training to teach and 2. the benefits offered at private schools are often lackluster in comparison to state teachers.  Of course there are elite private schools that pay more and provide excellent benes but the many privates do not.  Regardless, 46k or 61k is not a living in many states.  

I appreciate the response.  

I did think that I'd find public teachers were under paid, but I also thought I find that credentialling requirements would be the same.  I'd hope that folks teaching with a degree would get a bigger check than those who don't have a teaching certificate.   But in general the income for public or private is  poor. Your example of a couple in NY of 200,000 a couple, or a family isn't going to be able to live on that.  It wouldn't allow them to rent a decent place in a safe area much less purchase a home, and the cost of daycare if they have kids, transportation, groceries- .  If these folks are the most important building block of a kids life outside the home is 40-60k appropriate?  Do you think that salary would be attractive to the best of the best for our kids?  I believe we are likely getting lackluster teachers because anybody smart is looking outside education to make a living.

And I may be mistaken, but isn't the schooling budget at a state level?  So Nebraska gets $100 total now for public schools, and if they move ahead with vouchers that $100 gets split between the existing recipients PLUS private schools?  I could certainly be wrong about that so you can let me know.  I agree with what others have said in general.  Public schools need the money they get and then some - privates have alternative ways of raising money and seem to do well in that regard - why should my tax dollars go to support private schools?

43 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Eh. I think @NM11046 pretty clearly leans left.

Sincerely would love to hear from the two folks that laughed at the data set points I shared on public vs private teacher salaries.  What was funny?  Or is it just the usual suspect(s) laughing at someone they disagree with?

ACLU fights for everybody.  They've historically fought for white supremacists, the NRA, Americans For Prosperity (a Koch brothers company).  They fight for infringement on civil liberties and that means defending people that many might find offensive.

20 hours ago, ZRod said:

I figured as much. This is the real conversation that needs to be had, but everyone wants to focus on "dahurrr the wall, takin er jebs, ship em up north, etc"

 

Yup - which is why it is so frustrating to see the Fox viewers and GOP get so amped up about Joe and Kamala coming to the border and seeing the wall and the issue, rather than recognizing that they are going into Guatamala and Mexico to have discussions and try to figure out how to do keep the people from wanting to get out of the country.

8 hours ago, nic said:

We have offended dead people…

 

https://www.cnn.com/style/article/mummies-museums-name-change-intl-scli-scn/index.html

Nope.  Again - read the article.

Did you actually read the article Nic?  (First off I should say, excellent source!)

The article talks about how the community is struggling to support her new venture due to her anti-trans comments over the last few years.  Nothing about banning, just a discussion on how something that many loved as younger people, something that they hold onto today with their books as prized possessions and fond memories that something they loved so much feels different to support today knowing how she feels, and what she has said publicly.  

It's just like how many catholics struggle to support and stay in the church since all the molestation and money hiding was disclosed.  

Good read:  https://www.brookings.edu/articles/new-kid-on-the-block-a-closer-look-at-americas-private-schools/

1 hour ago, BigRedBuster said:

I’m not sure who on here would disagree with that.  

This may all be true, but I think that a HUGE component is teacher pay.  Average salary for a teacher is fairly low if you want to live on it.  

I admit when I went looking for sources to back up my opinion I was surprised - in 2022 private schools averaged lower pay than public (I thought it would be the opposite) but in reading why, it comes down to:  1. private schools don't always require certification or training to teach and 2. the benefits offered at private schools are often lackluster in comparison to state teachers.  Of course there are elite private schools that pay more and provide excellent benes but the many privates do not.  Regardless, 46k or 61k is not a living in many states.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2022/12/13/public-school-teacher-pay-private/

And can we please talk about how rural america is going to benefit from taking money away from public schools for private to do these voucher programs?  Privates that their students have no opportunity to take advantage of because of where they live?  Public schools need more money, not taking the little they get and carve it up more to share with privates.

13 hours ago, commando said:

does anyone know what happened to the south dakota politician who killed someone in that hit and run case?

I  know he was impeached - seems like I remember him maybe getting off lite in the trial, but not recalling.  Maybe vehicular manslaughter?

Is it best for kids to all get varying content during their schooling because none of the private schools have managed expectations and curriculum?  So someone that qualifies or can afford, or gets lucky in a draft goes to a school that teaches AP courses, and the others might go to a school that doesn't for instance allow certain history lessons or courses?  How do these folks compare when they try to get into college?  How are they both prepared for ACT/SAT?  What about life skills?