drew95

I'm not getting "my panties in a bunch" at all. I'm simply saying that your are factually wrong, and the data proves it. [citation needed] Not my data jack. Got a problem. I. Don't. Care. Stick it. Delusional much??

After the Purdue loss last year I came across a rather eye-opening bit of research done by someone and posted to a thread elsewhere. Was a study of the two deep roster, offense and defense, Purdue to Nebraska. The factors were recruit service star ranking and # of fbs Power 5 schollie offers for each player on two deep, offense and defense, for Nebraska and Purdue respectively. It found that offense to offense, defense to defense, that the Purdue two deep roster, rated slightly higher on average across board in terms of recruit service star ranking as well as # of fbs Power 5 schollie offers received than the Nebraska two deep. Given that Nebraska lead the country with 10 current or former walk ons on two deep not surprising. I suppose the recruit classes of 2011-2013, especially 11-12 largely being gone from program or non-participants also contributed. Anyway. Fwiw Yeah except that "research" was complete BS because of the way they assigned ratings to players. It was debunked last year when that excuse was trotted out: http://www.huskerboard.com/index.php?/topic/77253-nebraska-vs-purdue-talent-discussion/ TL;DR: Purdue's 5 year recruiting ranking is dead last in the Big Ten, and 67th overall. Nebraska's 5 year recruiting ranking is 4th in the Bg Ten, and 24th overall. Then you have the actual talent rankings based on who's on the roster. http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CollegeTeamTalentComposite?Conference=Big-Ten It was the ultimate excuse making exercise. Nebraska and Purdue don't have comparable talent by any reasonable metric. Get your panties in a bunch. I don't care. A whole lot of Nebraska fans live in this special special place with unicorns and fairy tales that convinces them beyond a shadow of a doubt that Nebraska is as stocked on talent as they ever have been. Is a reason many fan bases outside this state use one word to describe this fan base; delusional. And truthfully the description isn't far off for many that have no life outside of a damn football team. GUess that long time, legendary former Nebraska assistant coach and someone with ties to the program for over 40+ years knew not what he was talking about last year when he stated that this Nebraska team was as down on talent and difference makers as any he had seen during his long association with Nebraska. That it would take Mike Riley a minimum of 4 years to fix the roster left in shambles; via mismanagement, recruting misses, laziness in recruiting, offering schollies to those that shouldn't be playing fbs football. Was amazing when you look at some of the recruit profiles that the only Power 5 FBS offer some of these players got was from Nebraska. But I digress

After the Purdue loss last year I came across a rather eye-opening bit of research done by someone and posted to a thread elsewhere. Was a study of the two deep roster, offense and defense, Purdue to Nebraska. The factors were recruit service star ranking and # of fbs Power 5 schollie offers for each player on two deep, offense and defense, for Nebraska and Purdue respectively. It found that offense to offense, defense to defense, that the Purdue two deep roster, rated slightly higher on average across board in terms of recruit service star ranking as well as # of fbs Power 5 schollie offers received than the Nebraska two deep. Given that Nebraska lead the country with 10 current or former walk ons on two deep not surprising. I suppose the recruit classes of 2011-2013, especially 11-12 largely being gone from program or non-participants also contributed. Anyway. Fwiw

Up and down the roster, sideways, whatever; OSU, Mich, Mich St and PSU all are better stocked than Nebraska. OSU, no question. Hoke stocked Mich with elite level talent, especially on defense. Mich St is very good. Franklin has been bringing in quality classes since day 1 at PSU. A program that lead nation last year with 10 current or former walk ons on two deep roster is not a well stocked roster in any sense of the idea. Walk ons and underclassmen are not ever supposed to be the nuts and bolts of two deep, the clay, if you will, that a team is molded around. Is a reason that a well known legendary former assistant coach at Nebraska said last years team was as down on talent as it has been in 40 years, maybe since days of pre Devaney and that it will take Riley a minimum 4 years to replenish the roster he inherited.

Ohio St?

That's the biggest problem, 11-1 regular season is possible if the coaches call plays which take advantage of what Tommy Armstrong does well. Conversely, I could also see NU going 7-5 with losses to: Oregon, Ohio State, Wisconsin, Northwestern, and Indiana. Not to mention we could also do worse than 7-5. The Huskers could also lose to Iowa, Purdue, or anyone else on our schedule. But we could also beat everyone except for probably Ohio State. In summary, I have no idea. No one does. All just supposition and hope. Wrapped up in some hopeful pragmatism

I coached HS football for 21 years, the last 15 at the class A level. Turning over an entire starting 5 on the offensive line was not unheard of and turning over at least 3 every year wa pretty much the norm. Experience is nice and always preferred, but more times than not I have seen Jr's that never played a down of varsity move in and play quite well as Sr's. If the guys are talented, and these guys are, they can step in and surprise you. Nick Gates was arguably the best OL on the starting 5 last year, and he was a RSfreshman. He wasn't good because the right guard was telling him the plays in the huddle. He was good because he was athetic and knew what he was doing. Give them a chance they might surprise you. As far as the Dline goes. Freedom, Dzurius, and Maurice played a lot last year. Starting on the Dline is kinda overrated. It would be wonderful to have all 4 of the guys back that left, but then everyone would be talking undefeated. Stoltenberg, the Davis tripletts, and D. Neal are going to play well IMO. You can throw Newell in the group also. Exactly. Nicely put.

I am a "facts are facts" guy, too. Riley and his staff (especially Banker) flat out sucked last year, that's a fact. I hope he does better and turns things around, but he will have to make vast improvements from his historical performance in order to make NU a champion program again. You can be mad at Riley all you want, your right. Not going to tell you how to feel or think. But given what Riley inherited was amazing that Nebraska was competitive in all games. I guarantee you that had Bo remained that the record, given no Ameer, no Kenny, no Randy, no DPE, is probably near identical to Rileys, maybe one game better at best, but know full well Nebraska would have been dismantled a time or two. We know that because it happened with those 4 players while Bo was head coach And I guarantee he would have won 9 games, because that's the established trend. Hell, if Bo was still here, there's no guarantee that Randy leaves early, or DPE gets hurt. See how useless this argument is? Keep dreaming buddy. When I already establishd that in 2014 Bo and Nebraska don't win 7 games against an inferior schedule to that of 2015, with Ameer, Kenny, Randy and DPE. Bo's house of cars was about to fall at Nebraska; recruting misses, roster mismangement, player development. But I digress Your opinion does not equal fact, because the variables will change simply by virtue of who was the HC. Kenny, Ameer, Randy and DPE not being on the team in 2015 and being difference makers that allowed Nebraska to win games in 2014 ( McNeese St, Miami, Iowa) that they otherwise don't without them, isn't opinion. Straight fact Maybe Bo's staff would have been able to do a better job of coaching the holdover players and they would have been able to replace the "difference makers" that were lost. All your arguments are pure conjecture at this point. Conjecture simply because you don't like it. lmao No, because that's how arguments & words work. WERDS R HARD!!! 2014 Nebraska; 6-6 record or worse without Ameer, Randy, DPE and Kenny. But somehow you think Bo is going to coax the team to 9 wins in 2015 against a much more difficult schedule without those 4. When the roster mismanagement, recruiting failures really started to spread the cracks wide open in the foundation of this program. Conjecture, wishful thinking, for sure.

I am a "facts are facts" guy, too. Riley and his staff (especially Banker) flat out sucked last year, that's a fact. I hope he does better and turns things around, but he will have to make vast improvements from his historical performance in order to make NU a champion program again. You can be mad at Riley all you want, your right. Not going to tell you how to feel or think. But given what Riley inherited was amazing that Nebraska was competitive in all games. I guarantee you that had Bo remained that the record, given no Ameer, no Kenny, no Randy, no DPE, is probably near identical to Rileys, maybe one game better at best, but know full well Nebraska would have been dismantled a time or two. We know that because it happened with those 4 players while Bo was head coach And I guarantee he would have won 9 games, because that's the established trend. Hell, if Bo was still here, there's no guarantee that Randy leaves early, or DPE gets hurt. See how useless this argument is? Keep dreaming buddy. When I already establishd that in 2014 Bo and Nebraska don't win 7 games against an inferior schedule to that of 2015, with Ameer, Kenny, Randy and DPE. Bo's house of cars was about to fall at Nebraska; recruting misses, roster mismangement, player development. But I digress Your opinion does not equal fact, because the variables will change simply by virtue of who was the HC. Kenny, Ameer, Randy and DPE not being on the team in 2015 and being difference makers that allowed Nebraska to win games in 2014 ( McNeese St, Miami, Iowa) that they otherwise don't without them, isn't opinion. Straight fact Maybe Bo's staff would have been able to do a better job of coaching the holdover players and they would have been able to replace the "difference makers" that were lost. All your arguments are pure conjecture at this point. Conjecture simply because you don't like it. lmao

I am a "facts are facts" guy, too. Riley and his staff (especially Banker) flat out sucked last year, that's a fact. I hope he does better and turns things around, but he will have to make vast improvements from his historical performance in order to make NU a champion program again. You can be mad at Riley all you want, your right. Not going to tell you how to feel or think. But given what Riley inherited was amazing that Nebraska was competitive in all games. I guarantee you that had Bo remained that the record, given no Ameer, no Kenny, no Randy, no DPE, is probably near identical to Rileys, maybe one game better at best, but know full well Nebraska would have been dismantled a time or two. We know that because it happened with those 4 players while Bo was head coach And I guarantee he would have won 9 games, because that's the established trend. Hell, if Bo was still here, there's no guarantee that Randy leaves early, or DPE gets hurt. See how useless this argument is? Keep dreaming buddy. When I already establishd that in 2014 Bo and Nebraska don't win 7 games against an inferior schedule to that of 2015, with Ameer, Kenny, Randy and DPE. Bo's house of cars was about to fall at Nebraska; recruting misses, roster mismangement, player development. But I digress Your opinion does not equal fact, because the variables will change simply by virtue of who was the HC. Kenny, Ameer, Randy and DPE not being on the team in 2015 and being difference makers that allowed Nebraska to win games in 2014 ( McNeese St, Miami, Iowa) that they otherwise don't without them, isn't opinion. Straight fact

I am a "facts are facts" guy, too. Riley and his staff (especially Banker) flat out sucked last year, that's a fact. I hope he does better and turns things around, but he will have to make vast improvements from his historical performance in order to make NU a champion program again. You can be mad at Riley all you want, your right. Not going to tell you how to feel or think. But given what Riley inherited was amazing that Nebraska was competitive in all games. I guarantee you that had Bo remained that the record, given no Ameer, no Kenny, no Randy, no DPE, is probably near identical to Rileys, maybe one game better at best, but know full well Nebraska would have been dismantled a time or two. We know that because it happened with those 4 players while Bo was head coach And I guarantee he would have won 9 games, because that's the established trend. Hell, if Bo was still here, there's no guarantee that Randy leaves early, or DPE gets hurt. See how useless this argument is? Keep dreaming buddy. When I already establishd that in 2014 Bo and Nebraska don't win 7 games against an inferior schedule to that of 2015, with Ameer, Kenny, Randy and DPE. Bo's house of cars was about to fall at Nebraska; recruting misses, roster mismangement, player development. But I digress

I am a "facts are facts" guy, too. Riley and his staff (especially Banker) flat out sucked last year, that's a fact. I hope he does better and turns things around, but he will have to make vast improvements from his historical performance in order to make NU a champion program again. You can be mad at Riley all you want, your right. Not going to tell you how to feel or think. But given what Riley inherited was amazing that Nebraska was competitive in all games. I guarantee you that had Bo remained that the record, given no Ameer, no Kenny, no Randy, no DPE, is probably near identical to Rileys, maybe one game better at best, but know full well Nebraska would have been dismantled a time or two. We know that because it happened with those 4 players while Bo was head coach

Not making excuses for anyone. I wanted Bo to succeed. And want Riley to do well Facts are facts. I am just nuts and bolts, meat and potatoes, see things as they are type fan.

Every first year coach installing a new program gets a pass or mulligan especially one that is installing an offense that is mostly 180 degree different than what the players that will be running it were recruited for. I tend to look at results of 2015 in this way; How would Bo have done if he had been HC in 2015? Never can say for sure but I do know one thing. In 2015 he would have been without the services of 4 difference-makers, playmakers, some call them game-changers. Kenny Bell, Ameer, Randy Gregory, and DPE all gone in 2015. How would Bo have done without those four in 2015? Well, take away those four players from Bo's 2014 team and Nebraska is a 6-6 team at best. I can point to three games in 2014 that Nebraska doesn't win without those 4 players; 1) Miami; Ameer and K. B. account for 300 yards total offense and 4 total td's. Randy Gregory is in backfield harrassing, if not pressuring and sacking Kayaa. 2) Mcneese St. Ameer Abdullah. McNeese St wins this game if not for Ameer. They had a great defense that lmited Ameer all day until final play. Ameer only had 54 yards rushing. and 3) Iowa Over 250 all purpose yards from Ameer, K.B. and DPE and 4 td's. Two words; Difference makers. Nebraska doesn't win either of those games in 2014 without those players. And Nebraska is 6-6. Spin it forward to 2015 and Nebraska gets a better Miami team in Miami, a better Iowa team and a BYU team in OOC that was better than every OOC team on 2014 schedule, as well as likely better than 3/4 of every Big 10 team in 2015. Bo often got his butt handed to him at NEbraska with those 4 players. I have a pretty solid premonition what happens without those 4 players had he remained. Rilet did all this installing a new culture, beating back the poisonous culture left behind and was a handful of plays from 10-2

Why does there need to be context past facts that I presented. Just take it for what it is.You mean context past numbers, not facts. There's a difference. Anyone can pull numbers out of a hat, but the true value is in examining what those numbers actually mean. is there really need to make everything more difficult than it needs to be? Take it as it is, they are what they are.