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It's probably that whole "1-2 good years and the rest is pretty average" thing. He's got a 53% overall winning percentage...not exactly lighting the world on fire.

Well, the level I'm talking about is championship level. I used Alabama and Georgia because they both started stacking up top 15 talent before winning the championships. And I included Tennessee because they're hot right now and they've been stacking up some pretty impressive classes despite not having really won much up to this point. Not really sure the conference has anything to do with it, but if you don't want to include SEC teams, that's fine. Here are the last 3 national champions from outside the SEC with their average recruiting rankings the three years before winning the national championship... 2013 Florida State - 5 2014 Ohio State - 4 2016 - Clemson - 13

Oh, I see what you're saying. I thought you meant the shoe company dictates who the coach is. In that situation, it sounds like the coach dictated the shoe deal. So, would he want to do that if he came to Nebraska? I don't know. Does it even really matter? I think as long as you're with one of the big 3, you're good. Don't really care which one. I mean, it's not like he'd be bringing in Keds or Hush Puppy or something I have always been curious how much pull those shoe companies really have.

Good interview. He's doing a lot of good things...

Dude, you mention Tom Herman’s name one more f#&%ing time, and I swear…I mean I guess I’ll just ask you not to do it again. But seriously, get his sorry a$$ name out of your head. He is toxic and would be an embarrassment for NU

Lol Deion was Nike forever before Jackson St. So, the answer to your question is “no.” Shoe deals have nothing to do with this. But if it did, you wanna talk about shoe deals, give me Deion f#&%ing Sanders all f#&%ing day!

I'm one of them.

Hahaha yeah, he'd be pretty great as an OC. And he'll definitely be out at Carolina (sarcasm). Insert Joe Brady and we can make it happen. He was the difference maker on that staff.

Trev said earlier this week that he's opening the checkbook for staff. I believe he said something like "we'll have the largest budget in the country for staff" or something like that. Maybe that means he's keeping Mickey and he'll buy him enough support to make up for his lack of experience...or maybe it means he's going for the grand slam hire as that would most certainly be a stipulation for any of them to want to come to Nebraska.

Yeah, I don't even think Aranda would be in my top 10, let alone a grand slam. His one decent year was with Rhule's players and happened when Texas and OU were both down (first year for Sark and Riley had a foot out the door). Petersen, I would agree with. He's definitely top 5 for me. I had sort of written him off initially as he seems to be such a West Coast guy and has given no indication he's wanting to go back to coaching. But who knows, maybe he is.

Can you please explain how Aranda is a "grand slam hire."

So, Alabama, Tennessee, and Georgia were collectively averaging top 15 recruiting rankings before they started winning...and that somehow proves that you have to win first before you can recruit?

He's already interviewing for other P5 jobs and has publicly stated it's his ultimate goal to get to that level.

Me too. At least I hope he's off the list anyway.

Missed the context of the post, my apologies. Agree that guys like Liepold (and several others) will likely need to be successful before they can get elite recruits. That was exactly my point. And as long as both of those guys are on the table (and they are as far as I know), why not try to hire them and get the instant bump plus a coach that has shown they can rebuild/develop/etc? As I stated, if you want to eliminate those guys, that's fine, then you're most certainly into hoping your guy can develop sub-par recruits into winners and that results in better recruiting down the road. And you might be right about Chris Petersen. I'd think having been to the CFP and with the P5 success he's already had, he might give us a bump, but I'm not sure about that either. I don't think we get him, but I think he'd be pretty strong across the board if we did.

Yeah, I've been making all those same points. So, we're in agreement.

Well fine, but that's just like, your opinion man Backlash from traditional fans? That's a minor segment. Seemed to me that Urban was the run-away fan favorite when he was in town for the OU game. And again, Deion was getting as much or more love from the national media along with a large segment of the fanbase on social media, and even here to some extent. Just because a few outspoken people on this board don't want coach X for whatever reason, don't be fooled into thinking that's the real world norm outside of here. Plus, Trev already said he wasn't going to necessarily hire someone who wins the podium. Urban would cost a pretty penny. Deion currently makes $300K per year plus performance bonuses and he donates half of that back to the school for upgrades. Deion would probably be the least expensive option we could hire by a lot. He's not about the money. Plus, again, Trev said resources wouldn't be a factor in hiring the next coach so I don't really think price tag is relevant. As far as I'm concerned, they're both still on the table until I hear otherwise.

You can say that about almost literally every coach on the planet. They were all coordinators at some point before becoming head coaches. What's your point here?

Good article, but all it really proves is that Tennessee is in a tough conference. Yeah, you have to win your conference first (both in recruiting and on the field) before you can worry about nationally. Not seeing how this has anything to do with my point that elite programs generally have elite recruiting classes? Or that there are some coaches who could bring in elite recruiting classes before being successful on the field?

Agree with your overall position here, obviously, but what makes you so sure about the bold? I've seen zero to indicate this is true whatsoever. I mean, other than whatever flavor of the day is being thrown around on fan boards like this. Those two names were being thrown around by the national media as much as any other name, probably more, in the beginning of the search process and nothing has changed since then.

When someone says you have to win to be able to recruit, not the other way around, there's an argument. Period. Maybe @Maverick didn't really mean what he said, but that's just factually incorrect on all levels. Sure, you can win and then build your recruiting. And just because you have good recruiting, it doesn't necessarily mean you'll be successful. But to say you have to win first to get recruits is just wrong. Urban, Deion, Petersen and maybe a couple others, would bring in top tier recruiting classes instantly, despite NU sucking for over a decade. Hell, Frost was able to get us top-25 recruiting classes pretty steadily despite us sucking. And he's no Urban, Deion, or Petersen when it comes to that. Not even close. Now, if we're eliminating those guys (not sure why we would), then you can pivot to an argument for guys like Rhule, Leipold, etc who can hope to improve recruiting by building a winning program, i.e. get a guy where "recruiting success follows on-field success."

Yeah...sooooo...I'm gonna have to go ahead and sort of...disagree with you here, Mav. That's not true at all. See Tennessee, see Georgia, see Alabama, and on and on and on. It literally is the other way around. You HAVE to have the players first. Then you can start to have success on the field. Sure, nice little programs can be built purely on player development, but not elite programs. And sure, elite recruiting doesn't necessarily equal great results on the field. But by and large, you have to figure out a way to get the talent first and hope your coaches can develop to be successful.

Bill? O’Brien? No thanks.

With you 100%. I’ve seen nothing from the minor leaguers so far today that give me comfort that they’re good enough. And yeah, Campbell’s a tool. When he was pissing his pants spitting all over himself about that targeting thing, he wasn’t even right. Dude hit his shoulder with his shoulder. RG3 even walked it back at the end.

Then do we have to start referring to games as “between the stalks” or how does that work?