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Please stop with all the stockholm syndrome stuff. Some of y'all are starting to worry me. Like you might need some serious help or something.

37 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

Can we all finally agree that Mickey Joseph isn't the guy?

Please dear God yes

Holy s#!t. There are still people lobbying for Mickey Joseph to be our next head coach? Is this real life?

We might need to change the signs to read “dumbest fans”

16 minutes ago, M.A. said:

You like Deion a lot.

I like Nebraska football a lot. But we have fallen into the abyss of college football. It’s embarrassing. I used to be proud to be a Nebraska alumn. Used to be proud to be a Nebraska fan. There are VERY few names who will change that this hiring round. We need someone who can electrify this thing if we want to get back to winning and there aren’t many names who can do that. Deion is one of them and probably the most getable. It’s really as simple as that.

1 hour ago, M.A. said:

Terry Bradshaw has quarter horses and is known to frequent Oklahoma and Texas. Could there be a connection? What potential candidates is he associated…  (Ha)

TB lives in Oklahoma and his airport is in North Texas near Denton. So, no…definitely no connection there

Just now, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I gave up the Urban Meyer pipe dream; you need to do the same with Deion. It’s not happening. 

I know. We’re not good enough for either. And it makes me sad for my once-great program. We’ll take a Leipold, Campbell, O’Brien, Aranda type hire and we’ll be back here in 3-5 years having this same discussion 

12 minutes ago, ZRod said:

Hahahah wouldn’t have gone with a Biden gif if your intention was to insult me. That’s amazing

We need to hire Deion Sanders so badly. He’s too good for us though honestly. Sad alumn 

6 hours ago, Danimal said:

 

Not really. Dude started having winning seasons back in 2016,  which is a major achievement at a program where he has less to work with than any other P5 school in country. Took til 2021 to start competing for conference championships. Turnaround would be WAY quicker here. It's the transfer-portal and NIL era, he can get instant help here he couldn't at WF. He'd have much more to recruit to with our VASTLY superior stadium, facilities, and tradiiton. He'd have much more money/cache to optimize his staff with, our coaching would likely be up a notch from Wake's

2 minutes ago, Enhance said:

I wouldn't necessarily love a Dave Clawson hire, but he had them bowl eligible in year three and he has a ~73% winning percentage since 2019 (minus the weird COVID year). They've certainly been a better program than Nebraska since 2017.

 

But yeah, he's not exactly a sexy hire. Doubt he'd get the blood pumping unless Wake somehow ended up like... 12-2 or 13-1 something crazy like that.

I think most recruits would have to google him to figure out who he was.

30 minutes ago, MasterPulverizer said:

I don't think any of these coaches (minus chadwell & deion) will make any moves until the Alabama job opens up.  I'm not saying Saban is going to retire this year, but it certainly seems like his years are somewhat numbered.  He's 70 years old and his years of dominating the SEC with superior physical talent are dwindling.  Not saying the team isn't full of studs, but NIL deals have brought some parity to the talent landscape in the SEC.

 

Whenever he retires, there will be a trail of jobs that open assuming Bama goes full brinks truck to hire Smart or Dabo, leaving another top 5 job open for those other candidates.  

Well they can’t all take the Alabama job. Dabo might be likely, so that opens up Clemson. Still leaves quite a few of those names without a better option.

9 minutes ago, lo country said:

In the B1G right now, OSU, Michigan, PSU, Wisky, Minnie, Iowa, Purdue, Illinois, are all better than NU. I do not see those teams getting worse.  Big 12, TCU, Baylor, Okie State, KSU, maybe even KU or Iowa beat NU as we are right now.  Not factoring in USC and UCLA making the move to the B1G.

 

We haven't won a division since Bo was here.  I do not see is suddenly in the CFP in the next few years.  But that's just me.  Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle and get the next Dabo.

Assuming you mean Mickey? So, you're just dismissing the top names out of hand then? I can make a pretty solid argument for why most of them would want to come to Nebraska...

• Urban - If he wants to get back into coaching, I don't see a better option than Nebraska
• Rhule - Assuming he wants to coach college this year and not just sit around and count his Panther money, I don't see a better option than Nebraska
• Deion - Nebraska is a huge upgrade over his current situation and probably no better options (maybe Auburn)
• Petersen - If he's ready to coach again and be done with broadcasting, I don't see a better option than Nebraska
• Kiffin - Probably the longest shot. People have talked about the MS salary cap, but I've also seen booster money toward his salary makes that a moot point
• Fickell - Nebraska is a big upgrade over Cincinnati, assuming his wife would leave OH and blah blah blah
• Chadwell - Nebraska is a huge upgrade over his current situation

Seems to me like we at least have about a 1 in 6 shot of getting someone better than having to settle for Mickey. Or having to hope we can catch lightning in a bottle as you said.

20 minutes ago, lo country said:

Maybe it's just me, but I do not think NU is the "destination" coaching job we make it out to be.  We are now potentially going into year 6 without a bowl game.....Have a horrific record in the B1G.  Unsure which teams we have a winning record against.  Maryland, Rutgers and Indiana?  Illinois on the rise.  We are quickly becoming a bottom feeder in the B1G and potentially in the P5 right now.  Been a Husker fan for a long, long time, but the Husker brand has been tarnished by Riley and Frost.  

 

Most wining coaches have egos.  Maybe this would get one to come here, but looking at where they are, what they have and the expectations boosters, fans, etc have on them is no where near this fan base.  We are 400+ pages into a new coaching search.  Unsure any of the schools whose coaches we are looking at would be anywhere close to this number.

 

As @admo mentioned regarding the moves of OU and Texas to the SEC making it "easier" in the Big 12 to win.  Now look at the B1G adding USC and UCLA.  The road just got harder to win in the B1G.  At least for NU in it's current state.  That's an uphill battle for any coach. Throw in we are basically dead last in defensive categories and one of the worst OL's going (and no depth) we are in a complete rebuild mode for a new coach.  Advantage for MJ is that he is the ringmaster of the circus snd should know better than anyone what we need.  

 

I wouldn't rule out a "home run" hire, but I am tempering my expectations. We need an ace recruiter (Urb/Deion) or a guy who can make chicken salad out of chicken crap and develop the talent that we have on paper that Frost and Co were unable to develop.  

All valid, but at this point, I'll still argue it's the best job available or likely to be available. Unlike last year would have been, we should have the advantage in the market this year which is a pretty big deal.

9 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

I mean .... technically whoever we get is because we couldn't get anyone better.

1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

not if the person we get is the best option 

I know y'all are just messing around, but I do think whoever we end up with will be a pretty good indication of the state of the program. If we're swinging and missing on top candidates and have to settle for some lower tier option (nothing leads me to believe we are at this point), it'll be very concerning. That probably means we aren't as attractive as we all think. Highly unlikely we get a head scratcher Mike Riley type because he was actually our first choice. The market will tell us our worth on this one (assuming money is not a factor, we're offering big budget for assistants, etc. as we've all been told).

9 hours ago, admo said:

I'll throw out a few quick names:

Aranda - Baylor is better job; UT and OU leaving conference.  Nice

Leipold - G5 Buffalo... 1st year P5, at Kansas.  Are we seriously saying this is the best for Nebraska?

Klieman - KSU is a better job.  UT and OU leaving conference.

Doeren - 7-9 wins per year in ACC;  Not too bad, Not great either.

DeBoer - Head coach since Covid 2020.  Onto his 2nd team.

Chadwell (I just really like him) - I like him too, G5 - but that's probably the best we can hope for....I guess.

Pretty accurate assessment of that list. Respect

/fistbumpemoji

Edit to add that I'd say most of those names don't move the needle enough to be an upgrade over Mickey.

5 minutes ago, admo said:

No, not really.  You gave me this:

 

-Urban - Not Coaching

-Rhule -  Not Coaching

-Deion -  FCS HBCU

-Petersen - Not Coaching

-Kiffin - Ole Miss - Nice!

-Fickell - G5

 

My question was:

Tell me which head coach will give up their current success, happiness, and paycheck, and whatever they built for their current program, and walk away just to coach at Nebraska.  

 

I would love Kiffin.  I do not see it happening, but man that would be so awesome!

I would be okay with Fickell.  Seems to do well in the G5 scope of football.

Okay, sorry. I read your post more as a metaphorical “who would leave their sweet gig that’s better than Mickey.” If you’re narrowing it to what you’re saying…then why?

3 minutes ago, lo country said:

And here in lies the issue.  I'll throw out a few quick names:

Aranda

Leipold

Klieman

Doeren

DeBoer

Chadwell (I just really like him)

 

You bring up a very valid point.  They are at a place having good success or at a place where 8-9 wins a years is status quo and completely acceptable.  Why leave?  NU is a dumpster fire. I think that the admn, boosters and fan base will not give the next guy 5 years to figure it out.  Frost should've been on a SHORT leash in 2020 and gone after that crap show season.  Which guy above would want that?  Chadwell for the money?

 

Maybe we have to look at a G5 coach (Chadwell), Sanders, an up and coming coordinator or MJ? 

 

MJ might not be the "best", but he might be the "best" we can get and more importantly might be the "best" guy for the job.  Because maybe the "best" we can get might not actually be the "best" for the job.....I like MJ.  I'd like to see what he could do with his staff and roster.  

Love your thoughts. Spot on. Your list of better options is wrong though. None of them moves the needle at all for the position we’re in.

Actually, I might even give you Chadwell. He at least brings something different to the table.

It’s probably my list, then Chadwell, then Mickey. Then all the other generic names who won’t even come close to moving the needle enough to get us out from under what we’ve become. Sad, but true.

2 minutes ago, admo said:

Yall know what I think.  I can live happily being wrong. 

 

How about you answer a question?  Or any of yall answer it..?

 

Tell me which head coach will give up their current success, happiness, and paycheck, and whatever they built for their current program, and walk away for the opportunity to coach at Nebraska.  

 

If you can answer that the way I have do before, I would respect it.  

 

Who?  Who is successful head coach right now, and will give that up, for Nebraska.  Trev and I will wait for your answer.  Please be sure to make it realistic.  It's an easy question that you apparently have the answer.  Floating names and Assistant coaches means nothing. 

That was a serious question. There’s a big difference between the best we can get and the best option.

Fair enough though, I’ll answer. Better possible realistic options (in no particular order)…

-Urban

-Rhule

-Deion

-Petersen

-Kiffin

-Fickell

-Someone big off the radar (Lincoln Riley/Brian Kelly type deal) who none of us are thinking of

And honestly, after that, I’m with you. Give me Mickey over the generic run of the mill rinse and repeat names I’ve seen thrown around.

I will give you this…if it’s not one of the 8 names above, we’re probably having this same conversation in 3-5 years.

Does that answer your question?

3 minutes ago, runningblind said:

 

It would be really interesting to see stats of when a really good coordinator takes a HC job, do those schools still succeed in the side of the ball where they were a really great coordinator previously?

I don’t know but I’ve never felt like you should hire for either one as a head coach. I don’t want a defensive minded coach…or an offensive minded coach. I just want a winning minded coach

43 minutes ago, M.A. said:

Surely one or two of the 60 from the master list lol…

Speaking of master lists…do we have one anywhere? If not, we should. May need a separate thread to sort it out tho 

55 minutes ago, admo said:

Tell me which head coach will give up their current success, happiness, and paycheck, and whatever they built for the program, will leave all that for the opportunity to coach at Nebraska.  

 

Sounds like you might think coaching at Nebraska is a premier destination, among the best.  Without considering the last 5-10-20 years. 

So, just to be clear…you think Mickey is the best we can do (you might be right)…or you think Mickey is the best option (you couldn’t be more wrong)? Not trying to be snarky at all, but there’s a difference.

39 minutes ago, hskrpwr13 said:

 

Yet, we'd probably never know which "big name" coach was "missed out on" if Mickey is offered the gig. It's unlikely Trev will "settle" for Mickey if there's truly a better option that wanted the job.

No doubt, but if we do settle for Mickey, make no mistake, it’s because we missed on a lot of better options. That said, Mickey is still a better option than a lot of the names I’ve seen thrown around. He’s probably somewhere around the bottom half of viable options. Let’s hope we don’t miss on the top half

1 hour ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I'm just not sure that he's head coach material, at least not on the level we need to be a championship-caliber team.

He wouldn’t even be in the conversation for head coach for 100% of P5 programs, probably 100% of all FBS programs. Let alone a program like Nebraska. Some of these guys are too close to it to be objective.

2 minutes ago, TGHusker said:

Yes, talk about being blindsided. The MR hire was on no one's radar and in that case - it was a really bad thing.  Mr "I CAN DO THIS BY MYSELF AD" sure failed on that one. 

Conversely, the Lincoln Riley hire at USC was on no one's radar either and that one turned out alright. So, you never know.

3 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

You sure a coach wouldn't want to keep it secret until after his bowl game that he was taking the NU job?

You sure there aren't just 4 total people coaching in January?

Stop being a petulant child. Or maybe that's just your schtick. Obsession noted, though.