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6 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

LOL.  I haven't moved any goalposts.  You stated that the search could go into January.  I said no chance of that happening.  And I am still waiting for you to give a valid reason as to why the search will go into January.

I didn't say the search could or would go into January, I said the announcement could go into January. And yes I gave valid reasons. You've already shown me you just keep changing the argument to try to fit your agenda. Now you've shown me you can't even read.

19 minutes ago, Red Five said:

 

Tell me you don't know how college football coaching changes work without telling me you don't know how college coaching changes work.

 

I mean both Pelini and Frost were hired by NU and coached in January bowl games.  I can't think of one coach that wanted "to keep it quiet" through a January bowl came.  A coach would never "keep it quiet" due to losing weeks of recruiting to his new school.

Hahaha so you've moved the goalpost from...

1) Steve Pederson isn't running the search so it won't be into January

to

2) There are only 4 coaches coaching in January and we're not getting one of those

to

3) NFL guys?

And I don't know how college football coaching changes work?

2 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Very often, the coach is announced before his team's bowl game and an interim coach coaches the bowl game.  Unless he's in the playoffs, the coach leaves before the bowl game.

Correct. And IIRC when we hired Pelini, we made the announcement after the regular season, but he stayed on with LSU through the CFP games. So, it could go down a number of ways.

15 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Clay Helton was announced at GA Southern on 11/2

Good call. So, apparently there are no NCAA rules against it.

Then I'm guessing it's because most programs feel they owe it to their current team and staff to let them finish their regular season without that distraction? I think we'd owe it to our guys to let them do that. That and the fact that most coaches are currently already coaching somewhere else (Helton wasn't) make it a really rare occurrence.

12 minutes ago, Red Five said:

So an NFL coach?

That plus any assistant from a CFP team plus any head coach or assistant playing in one of a handful of January bowls. Most of those would probably be okay with announcing before they're done playing, but some would insist on keeping it quiet until they finish their season. Either way, it's a pretty big pool and shouldn't just be dismissed out of hand.

2 minutes ago, desertshox said:

 

Going strictly off memory but urban was hired before the end of the season but didn't assume the full role of the position allowing him to recruit while fickell continued as the interim. They had to get permission from the ncaa for it. Then after the season urban took full control.

He was announced 2 days after the regular season. Then, you're right, the existing staff was left in place through the bowl game while Urban was allowed to get to work, but it was after the regular season.

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On November 17, 2011, Eleven Warriors reported that Meyer would become the head coach of the Ohio State Buckeyes. Meyer denied the report publicly. Meyer then asked ESPN to be taken off assignment during the weekend of the Ohio State–Michigan game, adding more to the speculations that he might be named the next head coach of Ohio State. On November 28, WBNS Columbus confirmed that Meyer had accepted the job as Ohio State's head football coach, and was introduced as head coach later that night.

2 minutes ago, M.A. said:

Wouldn’t earlier be better ahead of the early signing period? If it were Mickey you could afford waiting to announce later. It made sense listening to Adam Charriker. I just don’t see the search being extending into January.

I don't know all the rules, but I don't think you can announce before the end of the regular season. Just going by how OSU did it with Urban and USC did it with Riley. I can't think of a time it's ever been done but I could be wrong. I think you can probably remove the interim tag from Mickey sooner, but I don't even know about that. If we're doing that, it would be in our best interest to do it as soon as possible.

1 minute ago, Red Five said:

You think we are hiring one of the 4 coaches that are in the playoff?

You do know there are more than just 4 coaches still coaching in January, right?

2 minutes ago, Red Five said:

Lol.  Stevie P ain't running this search.

So, you're taking every coach off the board who may still be coaching in January? Seems smart.

Thankfully for us, Trev already said he's not letting timeline dictate this big of a decision. You don't pass on an A coach and settle for a B coach just because you can get him a month earlier.

8 hours ago, Alamo City Husker said:

ESPN still trying to make Huskers look bad any chance they get: 

Nebraska interim coach Mickey Joseph comments on unsigned recruit

Mickey slipped up and it's ESPN's fault?

11 hours ago, chamrocck said:

Can we technically put the new HC on the payroll? If it is someone not coaching why would we not do this? He’d probably be interviewed everywhere and the free press would be good.  

Just looking at the timeline when Urban went to OSU, there must be some rules against this (he was announced after the regular season despite it having been a done deal for some time). Plus I think we owe it to Mickey and this team to let them have the rest of the regular season.

9 hours ago, M.A. said:

Originally I thought around 11/28…

 

Now I’m thinking a week prior to the last game.

I don't think there's any way an official announcement comes before the end of the regular season, unless it's Mickey.

Outside of that, it depends who the coach is. If it's someone who doesn't have any meaningful games left (conf championships and/or playoffs or not coaching), it'll be 11/26 or 11/27. If it's a head coach who still has meaningful games left, it'll be after said meaningful game(s). Could go into January.

23 minutes ago, cheekygeek said:

Don't know why but I seem to always be a full 180 degrees from your takes.

You really don't think Deion is smart enough to make the message be that he's turned the (much-needed) spotlight on HBCUs and why they deserve funds and attention and now he's going to turn the spotlight on the woeful lack of black P5 Head Coaches running successful programs?

 

I don't think the guy is coming and I don't think he's even on the short list, but you thinking it is because he can't get himself out from under the HBCU banner now is laughable for somebody as quick of lip as Deion.

Yeah, I've always thought this way as well. Admittedly, probably somewhat wishful thinking on my part, but changing the narrative to make your next pitch about helping a culture seems like a really easy one to me. In addition to what you mentioned regarding his overall mission, the pitch to get ABC player out of XYZ southern project town to a safe midwest values town like Lincoln is a pretty easy opportunity to sell too.

12 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

Do you really think there's even the slightest chance that Deion Sanders will be the next HC of the Nebraska Cornhuskers? I sure don't. An African-American coach trying to garner attention for HBCUs, taking a big-$ offer to coach at one of the most white-bread schools in the country. He'd be labeled an Uncle Tom before you know it. It's just not happening.

I think he'll be coaching at a P5 next year for sure. And the P5 that are available so far aren't good enough for him to consider. Realistically, he's probably not coming to Nebraska. But I can say that about a lot of top candidates (Urban, Petersen, Rhule to name a few). That said, I think he is much more qualified and checks a lot more boxes than a lot of people want to give him credit for.

16 minutes ago, Enhance said:

Precisely. I'm glad we then agree that it's ultimately irrelevant.

No, we don't agree. By your logic, every positive about a coach is ultimately irrelevant if they don't win. So I guess we should shut this thread down then?

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You're way too caught up in stuff that doesn't actually translate to winning football games on Saturdays in the Power 5. Virtually every Deion conversation in this thread had devolved into two paths - his recruiting and his celebrity. I think he may be a better recruiter than most off the rip, so that part I can potentially get behind even though it's no guarantee. But his celebrity or "national brand lift and exposure" isn't going to mean a thing come spring ball and fall camp. It's not going to mean a thing if they're getting truck sticked by Michigan in November.

That's not true at all. There have been tons of posts by me and several other posters about cultural fit, leader of young men, person of great character, win percentage, work ethic, etc. In fact, very few have been about Deion's celebrity and most of those are people saying things like anyone who likes Deion just likes him because of his celebrity. Sorry, but you're just seeing what you want to see here.

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Prove it in the fall and then yeah... bring Snoop into the locker room. Go on 60 minutes. Hell, have GMA sit in his bathroom while he has a morning deuce. But, don't try to sell us on it having anything substantive to do with actually making a Nebraska a winner again. In the long list of things that Nebraska needs to win, having a coach that can get Cheech and Chong in the locker room after a game is pretty far down the list. Maybe even below Excel proficiency.

Again, if you don't see the value in marketing, promotions, publicity, etc. in today's game, I don't know what to tell you. If everyone in the Nebraska AD thinks that way, no wonder we've sucked for so long. Is it the main ingredient to being successful? No. Does it have value? Hell yes.

Your mental gymnastics to try to discredit Deion as a solid candidate are pretty amazing. Most of the football "experts" in American seem to disagree with you.

1 hour ago, Jason Sitoke said:

Yeah, I mean their resumes are nearly identical.  

Well, obviously they're not even close. I think he was just saying they'll probably recruit at similar levels, but Deion doesn't have the morals and ethics question marks that Urban has.

Nice avatar by the way. Whenever I see that, it always reminds me of this (NSFW)...

1 hour ago, Enhance said:

While I do agree with you, it's an asset that quickly becomes less relevant as soon you lose and lose consistently, and that's why I don't put much stock into it from a hiring standpoint. It's valuable, but, you could bank on perhaps one guaranteed off-season of value, but after a 5-7 season or even a few seasons of mediocrity... far fewer people are going to care. Saban's press runs and movie appearances were a result of winning.

What a flimsy argument. You can literally say that about every positive for any coach...it's only valuable if you're winning.

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DS' recent media frenzy is a result of him being a HoF player in tandem with his Jackson State success - if it wasn't somebody with the celebrity of DS, far fewer people would care about Jackson State's football coach/program.

That's literally the point I'm making. He's getting that added publicity because he's Dion.

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So yeah, the publicity and connections are great, but at this point in my 30+ years of Husker fandom... it just doesn't resonate very deeply. I'm kind of done with the off-season championships and hype before the results. That should be fairly far down the DS resumé and reasons why you'd hire him at Nebraska... probably parked right next to 'proficient with Excel.'

If you think Deion's level of national brand lift and exposure through his name recognition and connections is in line with someone's Excel skills in terms of value to a program, I don't know what to tell you.

2 minutes ago, Jason Sitoke said:

Do most of today's student athletes really know who Snoop Dogg is?  Besides the guy in the Corona commercials.

More so than Larry the Cable Guy? Yes.

I know that was a joke, but I do think kids love that kind of stuff. I don't really consider celebrity connections as that much of a tangible checkmark in the pros column for Deion. But I guess it can't hurt with recruiting.

What I do consider a legitimate checkmark is Deion's invaluable connections with the media. The kind of national publicity he brings is priceless. Nick Saban was/is the king of that kind of stuff. Especially early in his career, it was mind blowing how many media appearances Saban was making. He understood the value it brings to a program. Four major national media appearances over the last two weeks at a place like Jackson State is really remarkable.

6 minutes ago, NativeJoe said:

I am all on board with a rising star young NFL guy like Kellen Moore.  Keep Mickey and get the best offense/defense lines coaches.

Kellen Moore turned down (backed out of) becoming Boise States head coach (his alma mater) last year to stay on with the Cowboys. I'm guessing he wants to stay in the NFL. 

10 hours ago, admo said:

Stop making things so complicated when it really isn't so difficult to see.  We need a leader (Mickey), with a CEO "hands off approach with assistants" (Mickey), a super awesome recruiter for talent and coaches (Mickey), a leader of young men (Mickey), a coach who has been around a lot of winning (Micky) and an ex-Husker who loves Nebraska football (Mickey) and a person who will put his best effort into the program (Mickey) and a coach that players love to play for (Mickey). 

 

Mickey might have amazing thoughts about how he wants his offense and defense to play in 2023 and beyond, and I can only hope Trev will be wise enough to listen.

You do realize that you can plug just about every coaching candidate's name into where you have Mickey right? Minus the ex-husker part which means squat for actual success. And there are a ton of candidates that check all those boxes but actually have some successful experience as a head coach.

10 hours ago, ColoradoHusk said:

Why do you want Mickey to hold onto a number of coaches who have been part of an unsuccessful staff?  You are acting like Nebraska has no other choice but to keep doing what we’ve been doing with the same players and the same coaches. Do you not watch the same games I do? I see a lot of bad football being played, with very little talent, and absolutely no depth.  Starting over with a new staff and some loss of players may hurt in the short run, but I think it’s what is necessary in the long run. Trev isn’t thinking about what this new coach is gonna do in year 1, he’s thinking what the new coach and staff is going to do in years 2-3 and beyond. 

Spot on. All this talk about Mickey is the guy and he should keep several members of the staff and try not to lose any players. It's like some of our fans have some sort of weird stockholm syndrome or something.

10 hours ago, admo said:

"You ask me to cook you a meal, but you don't let me pick the groceries"

- Bill Parcells

 

This is just me, but I would give Mickey Joseph the job.  Keep the unity together (in house/players/commits) and give a 4-year deal around 18-19 mil, with motivation to renegotiate / offer / extend contract handsomely should there be noticeable success trending upward.  Like we do and everybody does.  

 

I would let MJ retain who he want to retain (Busch, Applewhite, Beckton, Fischer for examples) and recruit assistant coaches he would want to be surrounded by that he thinks would be good for his team's success in the B1G (OC/OL/DL/LB/DC?).

 

Mickey is not coaching the football team for his job.  But, if he gets a contract to coach for his job/livelihood, he will definitely bring in his people to be successful at Nebraska.  I mean, one week in and he fired Chins - if that means anything at all.

 

Unless you have been coaching successfully in this conference, you don't have any more experience than what we currently have.  I don't care what divisions you are at right now (P5/G5/FCS)..... this conference (B1G) is just a different beast that wants you to play by their football rules.  Even Lincoln Riley would probably be frustrated and angry here and win just 7-8 games a year at best.  

 

IMHO Mickey is the guy.  Even if he doesn't get the job by end of season.  He will though, if upset Illinois, Minnesota and Iowa.  No question.  

No offense, but you might want to find a new dealer.

10 hours ago, Ulty said:

Hell, in the last few years, we've gotten Keyshawn Johnson, Kurt Warner, Les Miles, Ed McCaffrey, and Rick Spielman to send their kids to play for Nebraska. We've got plenty of star power leading us to victory already! Most of them even stayed for longer than a year.

 

Not to mention the influence of Larry the Cable Guy. How much more celebrity do we need? 

Hahaha I was actually referring more to the crazy media tour he's got going there over the last couple weeks...

60 Minutes interview with Deion

Good Morning America interview with Deion, Shedeur Sanders, and Travis Hunter

FOX Big Noon Kickoff interview with Shedeur Sanders

ESPN College Gameday announcement

Having celebrities in attendance for homecoming was just a bonus. Deion has that train rolling full steam ahead right now. And yes, most of today's student athletes prefer Snoop Dogg, Rick Ross, and Yella Beezy to Larry the Cable Guy LOL

5 minutes ago, lo country said:

He is a DUDE.  For those anti Deion, Snoop was there this weekend.  Hanging out in the locker room after beating Campbell University coached by our own Mike Minter....

Yeah, to say he’s using his contacts to bring publicity to that program is an understatement. He’s had more positive national exposure in the last 2 weeks at JSU than Nebraska has had in a decade. Wouldn’t that be nice?

24 minutes ago, The Scarlet Pimpernel said:

I'd call $6-mil/year a lowball offer. You want an elite coach, you want an elite program, you gotta pay elite money.

For who? That’s a nice raise for a lot of the guys I’ve seen mentioned. Under market for some others. All depends on who we’re talking about and what they’ve accomplished. Can’t really look at these things in a vacuum here. Can’t say we need to pay $10M and then go pay a Leipold or Mickey that.