corncraze

39 minutes ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

So you are throwing Satterfield and Raiola in there together.  Do me a favor and go back and watch the year before Raiola got here and tell me he doesn't have the line playing better.   I'm not saying Satterfield is a good OC but OC's look a lot better when they have A: a QB who can get the ball near a WR and B: WR who can get open and... catch the ball.  What offense would you run with the players on O thise year?  Just curious.  Also Iowa could he a 10 win team this year and are gonna be looking for a new OC 

Our OC handpicked the QB that lead the NCAA in turnovers. Our staff did very little in the portal or JUCOs to address the holes on offense. And our OL is still atrocious (the PFF rankings support that - look at Turner scoring 0s in pass protection for multiple games). In my mind, our turnovers correlate with our OL performance. Bad protection means more picks. Not the only factor clearly - decision making by all 3 QBs was also awful, and that would likely be an indicator of coaching. Three completely different players all produce unprecedented TOs. If this wasn’t our team, I’m pretty sure all of us would view Satt as an awful OC. We could recognize how back Brian Ferentz was.

4 minutes ago, Undone said:

The biggest problems in the Iowa game on offense throughout the whole of the game in order for me were:

 

1. The two turnovers that Purdy had.

2. Our inability to run the ball.

3. The missed field goal.

 

We had 30 carries for 75 yards. Nothing all that bad about 30 carries for your total - but that's 2.5 YPC. Terrible.

 

If you go back and look at the winnable conference games that we lost in Minnesota, Michigan State, & Maryland, QB mistakes are also at the top of the list of problems. This is why I think it's weird to fixate on scheme and play calling problems. We just need our QB's to not turn the ball over as the starting point.

So we’re just supposed to believe that three separate QBs are all TO machines with horrid decision-making? Getting the same performance from three completely different players sure seems like a coaching issue to me.

2 hours ago, MyBloodIsRed16 said:

Can't just keep firing coaches it won't automatically fix the problem.  It's year one.  Didn't turn out the best but it could have been worse.  

Another example of sunk-cost fallacy. That mindset has killed our program. Instead of seeing something for what it is (Satt, Frost, Raiola, Riley) we make excuses to keep terrible performances. “We’re already invested in XYZ, if we can just wait it out it longer it will turn around.” Meanwhile our program continues to crumble into disrepair. If something isn’t working, we need to get rid of it before it gets even worse. Satt has an atrocious history as an OC; get him out now before he causes more damage.

10 minutes ago, UniversalMartin said:

Honestly, I enjoyed the game last night. The losses this year are purely about not having overall talent needed, whereas the years past, it was a whole Lotta things missing 

 

The team that showed up last night, is a 7-4 team (minimum)

Well hopefully we’ll see more urgency from this staff to address the talent deficiency this offseason. We didn’t last year. 
 

We talk about Rhule and crew’s talent evaluation as a strength , but frankly the talent evaluation at QB has been horrid. This staff chose to chase off CT for Sims. It chose to play Sims and then HH over Purdy for most of the season. It also chose to not address the OL - Rhule “liked the guys we have”. We’re reaping the effects of the staff’s awful decisions from last offseason.

1 hour ago, gobiggergoredder said:

If that is the case I’ll still take it.  It sucks to lose but I hope we never go back to get physically dominated in every aspect of the game.

Like what Michigan did to us this year?

38 minutes ago, gossamorharpy said:

hate to break it to you bro but development is our only path. Kids who are true difference makers aren’t coming to Lincoln when they can go somewhere with much better weather and things to do and make the same money.

 

BS… this is a loser mentality. $$$ and winning bring talent. We aren’t winning, so why aren’t we spending like crazy in NIL to get big names here? We were told for the last 5 years we have the resources to be very competitive in the NIL market. It blows my mind that we aren’t using it but then are taking on these unnecessary multi-hundred million dollar facilities projects. 

I still am struggling to understand why these renovations are necessary right now. Unless they aren’t telling us something about structural integrity - which is definitely possible - why are we shelling out $450m to decrease stadium size and lower potential ticket income?

Again, if the money exists, why the heck aren’t we putting it towards staff and talent to improve on-field performance? What’s gonna keep people going to games and the sellout streak alive? Winning games and getting back to being a competitor to win the conference. 
 

Also to announce this before approval and before an absolute slacking doesn’t make sense to me either.

6 minutes ago, Wistrom Disciple said:

I'm right there with ya, but calling a coach a failure five games into the first year just seems to be the wrong mindset. Seems kind of like dating someone and having five dates before deciding whether you will get married or breakup... just doesn't seem like the best strategy. 

Bad analogy. A bad date usually doesn’t lead to more dates… probably not a good idea to continue to invest in someone after 3 awful dates 

1 hour ago, Wistrom Disciple said:

Based on your sarcasm and the six days of analysis you took before the reply, it is possible that both are in fact true. Deion and his high powered offense with "allegedly" two Heisman contenders putting up a zero 25 minutes into the game would not be considered "good." Rhule made it pretty clear that they didn't want to get into a shootout. Having hit the post on a field goal and a fumble on the first possession result in zero points given up, 0-0 seemed like a decent spot to be in for us. < It does helps that we were averaging 4-5 yards per rush at that point despite having nothing on the scoreboard. 

 

In the end, yes Colorado won and their offense took advantage of our miscues. They have some talented players and to their credit, they did make some halftime coaching adjustments to help themselves get going in the second half. However, I still do believe that Rhule is the better coach for our program than Deion would have been and strongly believe that using the first two games as the barometer of whether we made the right or wrong choice between the two is foolish. 

Ugh this makes my head hurt. So Deion inherits a significantly worse team, he pulls in more talent than us, beats us by 3 possessions, doubles CU’s Ws from last year in just 2 games while we’re 0-2, but somehow we have the better coach. I envy your optimism.

On 9/10/2023 at 5:55 PM, River-runner said:

What great good QB would risk his career on a dumpster fire like the recent Nebraska mess? 

This is the mentality we need to change. Could’ve said the same thing about CU and 5 star players. Deion pulled in Hunter + a number of other big names. The right coach + NIL can pull talent here.

1 hour ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

I agree. Trev is a good AD, and is certainly much better than Bill Moos.

 

That being said, he hired a coach with the strategy that they would try and take players that aren't very talented or rated very highly and "develop" them into a good football product. It's a dangerous strategy - if it doesn't work, years of bad football players pile up and it becomes all that much more difficult to correct.

 

That being said, the reality of Nebraska is that they probably can't recruit enough talent no matter who they hire and they have no choice but to go the route of "development". Trev knows the recruiting limitations of Nebraska and the caliber of player they can realistically recruit. This is coming from probably the most negative poster in the recruiting forums who regularly complains about the quality of players Nebraska is bringing into the program. It just isn't good enough.

You’ve nailed it on the talent point. It’s not good enough. A development approach can get us to Iowa’s level if done right. I don’t think that’s acceptable. Our program was one of the few blue bloods in the sport. Accepting mediocrity is a slap in the face to decades of earned success. 

We were told we had one of the best NIL set-ups in the country - that it would be a real game-changer for us. Either we negligently aren’t using it to its full capability (if much at all) or we were lied to. I tend to think it’s the former given we can find $300-700m for stadium upgrades and $150m for new training facilities.

6 minutes ago, RedDenver said:

And bye sellout streak. Keep losing, keep making excuses, keep putting blind faith into our staffs, and unfortunately it will happen.

Look, none of us want to be here. I have two decades of family memories (especially with my dad) supporting this program while it crumbles away with excuses and poor prioritization (facilities over talent). I was in Ireland last year - as many of us were. The more we’re lower our standards and forfeit urgency, the more we turn into Kansas (who is significantly better than us now btw). None of us want that. But the more we lose, the more we lose our fan base (especially the younger fans). We need to start winning fast, otherwise we our only further etching our current and likely future identity of being a has-been, now perennial losing program.

19 minutes ago, M.A. said:

And how many quick turnarounds were followed by a downturn? It’s not that one way is superior to another. People go about things differently. What works for one program might not work as effectively at another.

 

 

 

 

We assumed we were turning around things with Frost for 4 years - we needed a long rebuild then too. It’s a very risky strategy given the sake of our program.

Seriously ask yourself, would you be having more fun experiencing the start of a season Deion is leading at CU or what we’re experiencing with Rhule? What about the 8 or 12-win first year season Urban had at every university he’s coached at? Regardless of if you like their personalities, those sound more fun to me.

2 minutes ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

How many quick turnarounds have we seen that didn't bring a QB from a previous school? 

Move the goalposts and add extra stipulations to try and discredit a clear point that Deion has drastically improved  a worse program than Rhule.

But sure, I’ll bite - Kalen DeBoer just did it last year. He got his qb from the portal. It happened in our program history too with Bob Devaney. Before him we had 6 losing seasons. His first year we won 9 games.

We want results, not excuses.

6 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

And fans throwing a hissy fit on a message board is really going to help things. All it does is make it a miserable experience while creating a toxic environment for players, coaches and others. Have a ball.

We’re reacting to their poor performance on the field. Losing is a miserable experience - you’re right. Winning is the cure. Urgently improving our roster should be the prescription - you know, like what Deion did and how he just beat us. 

You deliver bad results, you get a bad reaction. That goes for any place - it’s even worse in the SEC.

41 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Well that answers that. We now know where the craze in corncraze comes from.

We’re all frustrated and unhappy. Direct that at me and fans like me if you want, brush off our opinions, ignore the results you saw yesterday, ignore the differences we’ve seen between us and CU, pretend things are ok. Unless things change, all of us are going to continue to be miserable from the poor results we see on the field - assuming we even keep watching. 

1 hour ago, Scarlet said:

There's always guys like you who want to be the prescient anonymous board scribes who throw s#!t at the walls to see what sticks.  Guys that want to be the first to say "see I told you so. I knew all along that "x" would be a failure.  Waaaaa". Good for you.  What a miserable existence though. 

 

How about you sit back and see what happens?  You don't have any more insight than anyone else as to whether Trev Alberts is in over his head or not.  But you're more than willing to be the first to cut the legs out from underneath him.  What's your plan?  Fire Trev today?  Two games into a rebuild?  Brilliant.

Obviously we can’t fire Trev right now. Obviously we can’t fire Rhule right now. The optics would be disastrous. We’re stuck with both for years. That doesn’t mean we should be happy with poor results in that time. A number of us think Trev got the hire wrong here, and if he did, he will pay the price and lose his job eventually. The unfortunate part is this might have been the last chance to get this HC hire right. We have a right to be angry that our program is on the brink of flat-lining and that Trev gambled with a slow build strategy that’s currently not looking good.

And you’re right on one thing - it is pretty miserable being a Husker fan.

15 minutes ago, GSG said:

Someone needs a hobby

Haha you’re not wrong. I think a large number of us are going to need a new hobby outside of Husker football - especially with this athletic administration in charge.

45 minutes ago, krc1995 said:

And we (fans, this board, everyone) knew this. We’ve talked about it and talked more about it. We said less than two weeks ago this is the right team(Rhule, Alberts) to get this thing right and that it might take a year. 

 

So just shut up everyone and quit with these stoopid takes. If you can’t bare to watch, then don’t.  Just shut up. You can’t even claim to be drunk anymore. 

Some of us don’t want to just sit down and take it any more. Why do we continue to accept awful results?! Hold people accountable, criticize their mistakes, stop going to the stadium - maybe our actions can drive change and cause the wake up call we need. As much of a sh** show the Tennessee Schiano situation was - their fans’ refusal to accept him WORKED for them.

We NEED to start spending more on talent and we need to do it immediately. Sitting, waiting and wishing while justifying bad football along the way is killing us (or may have already killed us). Trev, Rhule and crew need a fire lit under their a**es.

5 minutes ago, Scarlet said:

I dunno.  By the way it's a going it's a solid 1a

Go on… Elaborate more on why you disagree.

2 minutes ago, YetiJR said:

?? Texas AM, ND, Clemson all say hello. Just because talent comes, doesn't guarantee success. Defense looks significantly improved, we'll just have to see how the offense continues to develop and whether or not staff is willing to change plans on the fly. 

All of which have been significantly better than us these last 8-9 years.

Clemson has won multiple CFPs in the last decade - I’d kill to be in their position.

How many CFP teams have gotten there through talent development? Cincinnati and maybe you could argue TCU. That’s 2 in the entire existence of the CFP.

13 minutes ago, Slow yer Roll said:

 

 

I doubt anyone has a bigger fire in the belly to right the ship, than Trev, and Coach Rhule.  They're football heads their whole lives. I trust they'll get it done if the fans help, instead of b!^@hing all the time.

 

 

Humans make mistakes,  it's hard to judge talent. The US divorce rate is over 50% I think.

 

They know what the problem is and how to fix it. 

 

 

Give them what they need, and get out of the way.

Also I’m sure they do “have fire in their bellies.” Doesn’t basically every coach want to win? We heard this same line with Frost. Just because they want something to happen doesn’t mean they have the capability to execute it. And right now they damn sure aren’t executing. But Deion is… 

Why do they deserve a long leash? Why shouldn’t they be held accountable when they are under-performing? Do you have performance reviews in your work? What would the reaction be if you were performing below expectations?

4 minutes ago, Slow yer Roll said:

 

 

I doubt anyone has a bigger fire in the belly to right the ship, than Trev, and Coach Rhule.  They're football heads their whole lives. I trust they'll get it done if the fans help, instead of b!^@hing all the time.

 

 

Humans make mistakes,  it's hard to judge talent. The US divorce rate is over 50% I think.

 

They know what the problem is and how to fix it. 

 

 

Give them what they need, and get out of the way.

I’d argue they have what they need and are failing… 

NIL resources - not being used

Financial backing for top talent coaching staff - Rhule hires mostly his no-name buddies

Brand new state-of-the-art facilities

3 minutes ago, M.A. said:

You wanted coaches other than Matt Rhule form the very beginning didn’t you @corncraze

Yep I definitely did. I wanted an elite recruiter. That’s how you get into the top 10 these days. We have a major talent problem.

Also what about Rhule tenure at Temple was so great? You could argue Al Golden built that program to consistent 9-win seasons, then after one Addazzio (not sure if I spelled his name right but am too lazy to google), Rhule came in, wrecked the program for two years and then brought it back to where it was with Golden (granted with 1-2 more wins a season).

And his year at Baylor seems like a flash-in-pan. One good year in a bad conference. Baylor didn’t beat a ranked team that whole year. Then he cashed in his chips at the most opportune time, got a huge NFL deal and failed there.