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5 and 7 and the fact that some our alleged fans are ok with that failure is pathetic.

I'm sure his coach there would at least know how to properly utilize him. Yep, by making him a slot receiver. Possibly. Or a QB. Houston's coach is known to be an expert at QB development and understands how to fit a system around the strengths of his players. I wish we would have gotten the same last December.

I'm sure his coach there would at least know how to properly utilize him.

Sweet culture change. The team used to win 70% of their games, play for championships, and had an outstanding academic record. Now, a year later, they will probably have one of the worst seasons in the history of the program, and are having academic issues not seen in years, if ever. What changed?

Showcasing the work isn't the problem, it's throwing the players under the bus to excuse the failings of the staff that's the problem.

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. Of course you don't. Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot? Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance? Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game? Remember Bo and the Cat? How all of these somehow went viral? These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own. Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare. Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program. Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things? Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment. That's kinda the point. I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department. If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction. Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!) Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet) And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself. So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda. Wow, bro, you're reeeeaaaallllly stretching here.

If you look back long enough it seems like we were able to bring talent to a peak about every 10 or 12 years starting with the BobFather's two MNCs. '70-'71. '82-'83. '94-'97. Well, three times at least. That repeating pattern failed to materialize in the 2000s. What happened??? 2 great coaches. Since we have had 1 good, 1 horrible, 1 decent, 1 horrible.

Anyhow, back to topic, is this the culture change that was promised for the program? Dumpster fire.......

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. Of course you don't. Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot? Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance? Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game? Remember Bo and the Cat? How all of these somehow went viral? These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own. Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things? Exactly. I remember those things, but I don't remember Pederhorst being the one to get those stories/images to the media.

I don't think I've ever said I wanted the triple option back. I'd like a winner who understands and embraces Nebraska football. Don't really feel like naming names again. We currently have a loser that doesn't understand Nebraska football. Man life is rough for you. Not sure what your ties to NU are, however you might just choose to move on. K-State is just down the road!!! Lol wut? So you must be fine with Nebraska being a national punchline? If so, then K state is the place for those with that line of thinking, not those of is that would like to see Nebraska be great again. Some fans thought it was horrible being irrelevant. I'd rather be irrelevant with a shot at winning a conference championship, as opposed to this clown show in Lincoln.

Thanks Mavric. I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST. The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly. It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it. But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period. But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way. Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds. "Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy. And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions. Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years. I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo. I do remember this AD leaving that coach out to dry after the media speculated about that coaches job security, hiding behind the "I don't comment on a coaches job status in season." Yet the same AD TWICE this year went public with statements of support for his loser hire in season.

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff. Players had reservations because of their "Stockholm Syndrome" with Bo. They didn't "buy in" until late in the season. Gerry admitted it. No he didn't. A few posters need to quit with that lie.

That's unacceptable. I'd be issuing some serious team discipline or asking guys to move on. Undergrad is not that difficult and I'm betting not too many are pre-med. Kind of ironic though that they got in because of their academic progress rate. Probably can thank the walk on program for that. Well duh. The wrestling team has taken kids in for the sole reason of helping keep team GPA up. I'm sure football does as well. They aren't gunna take a walk on who gets bare minimum grades to hurt the GPA of the team. Those damn walk ons really suck. Dr. Tom disagrees, however. How is it even possible you could think he was saying 'walk ons suck' from his post? Do you know how to read? Maybe you are one of the players on the team who can't pass Sociology classes with tutors who do the work for you? Ha ha! I think your sarcasm-O-meter is out of whack. Lol. It's great when someone can't understand simple sarcasm, yet calls into question the intellect of the person posting said sarcasm. I believe that's called irony.

Shocking. <sarcasm> And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff.

That's unacceptable. I'd be issuing some serious team discipline or asking guys to move on. Undergrad is not that difficult and I'm betting not too many are pre-med. Kind of ironic though that they got in because of their academic progress rate. Probably can thank the walk on program for that. Well duh. The wrestling team has taken kids in for the sole reason of helping keep team GPA up. I'm sure football does as well. They aren't gunna take a walk on who gets bare minimum grades to hurt the GPA of the team. Those damn walk ons really suck. Dr. Tom disagrees, however.

Not happening. Recruiting has come to a halt.

I don't think I've ever said I wanted the triple option back. I'd like a winner who understands and embraces Nebraska football. Don't really feel like naming names again. We currently have a loser that doesn't understand Nebraska football.

No. But you're free to disagree.

TheSker, ColoradoHusk, Teachercd and GBRedneck. The new Polo and crew of HB. Turning every thread into sh#t since 2015 Can add in cm husker also. They sing the same tune in EVERY thread. Gets really old. You do realize that the apologists do the same thing with: 1. "The players are crappy athletes" 2. "The players were malcontents who didn't buy in" 3. "Based on 1 and 2, Bo is responsible for a coach taking over a winning program and registering a losing season that included on of the worst losses in NU history." It gets equally tiresome to read those posts, but I'm not going to stop pointing out the flaws in those arguments. Uh oh...Rike won't rike this!Well, if you read my post in the Boyd Epley thread, I mentioned that its a combination of coaching and players (who yes, did not give effort on every play. See Aaaron Williams on the BYU hail mary). I don't need to go into every thread and mention my dislike for Banker, Hughes and Stewart though, especially in a thread about players not being where they need to be athletically. But keep on trolling teacher. You have been since Riley was hired. I could see through your sarcasm from the moment he was hired and claiming we will go 11-1 or 12-0.I predict next year Riley goes 10-2...what say you?I would be happy As would I if we make it to Indy. But I'd bet we'll have another sub .500 season before a 10 and 2 season.

TheSker, ColoradoHusk, Teachercd and GBRedneck. The new Polo and crew of HB. Turning every thread into sh#t since 2015 Can add in cm husker also. They sing the same tune in EVERY thread. Gets really old. You do realize that the apologists do the same thing with: 1. "The players are crappy athletes" 2. "The players were malcontents who didn't buy in" 3. "Based on 1 and 2, Bo is responsible for a coach taking over a winning program and registering a losing season that included one of the worst losses in NU history." It gets equally tiresome to read those posts, but I'm not going to stop pointing out the flaws in those arguments. Deleted. Got a little too boozed up last night Fify. J/k

I think that's very open to interpretation. You could also blame Global Warming. Or Osborne retiring... Are there NU fans that are mad at Osborne retiring when he did? I am just curious.Yes. Most of them hated Frank and Bo, but love/d Callahan V.1 and V.2. I can think of one. And only one. Bring it up with Radar. The rest of us are having an adult conversation. Even though I disagree with you and some others, I'll at least respect that y'all aren't trolling and will at least have a spirited conversation. And I respect that you're steadfast in your opinion even though I and others may disagree.

Can I blame Harvey for the derailment? I wouldn't call it a derailment, maybe it took a tangent turn. But you can certainly blame Harv for it, by all means.

I didn't realize that TA Sr. plays for the Huskers.

I think that's very open to interpretation. You could also blame Global Warming. Or Osborne retiring... Are there NU fans that are mad at Osborne retiring when he did? I am just curious. Yes. Most of them hated Frank and Bo, but love/d Callahan V.1 and V.2.

Sounds like player development is currently an issue.