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To be fair Cavanugh himself said it was a sh#t article and apologized for it. It was a hit piece on a 20 year old kid

 

20 year olds aren't kids and I would like to hear what you think of the effort shown on the "Move the pile" play...because it is fair to judge a player's effort based on the effort he showed.

 

To be fair to Gerry and Maurice here:

 

The rules of the game have wussified this sport so much. If those two guys go firing in there and try to make a play, there's probably a flag thrown for unnecessary roughness.

 

The guys thought their teammates were making the play. As they should've.

 

Now, I'm not dismissing the whole effort argument at all. I think there's some issues. Hopefully what will all work itself out. On that play though, I can totally see where the possible penalty flag puts doubt in players minds.

 

As far as the other two plays in there, I think it is obvious that Gerry is truly still adjusting to playing in this scheme. I don't think he's the only one. That's where we got to find the balance. It doesn't mean it's a bad scheme. It doesn't mean it's a bad player. Sometimes in this game of football, not every football players fits every scheme.

 

Whoa whoa whoa, you were all over the kid in the gameday thread last week against Purdue. I mentioned that you don't have a player just drop off like this and blame it on the kid, it's mostly the scheme and coaching IMO. You didn't directly respond to me, but you did say that to think it's scheme is idiotic. So can I assume you're changing your stance on this? I did mention that part of it was probably on Gerry, but it appeared most of it would be coaching and scheme at this point.

 

Wow.....I was "all over the kid" in the gameday thread?

Man if I said something out of line in the emotions of the game, then I apologize. What did I say? I really don't remember.

I do remember posting a status update questioning if he was injured or not. I really think he might be. Not sure though.

As the season has gone on, I've found myself in a position where I come to this board and see nothing but blame for the coaches. In an effort to "level the field" a bit, I've demonstrated multiple times that in reality, there's plenty of blame to go around. Fact is, there should be struggles. I've been trying to tell people that. There is nothing similar about Banker and Pelini's defenses.

When I say, Gerry or anybody for that matter, isn't performing, really I'm just saying that they aren't executing well and they may not be a fit for this type of defense. It's not a knock on them as a player, it's just the truth. There will be guys that just do not fit what we are trying to do on either side of the ball.

The execution side of things is simple really. There's still some confusion out there. I do think some guys are frustrated with the way the season has gone. Some guys do look to have let off a bit at times.

Again, just being honest in my opinion. Not hateful.

If I gave that impression, that's my fault. I think Nate Gerry is a f#*k of a football player and a high character dude that may either be injured or just really struggling in this system at this point. I really hope he sticks it out and learns this system as the coaches learn how to utlize him.

Bo was right about one thing. It's a process. No doubt about it. I never expected it to go smoothly, but I never expected the win/loss record to be this bad. Overall when I've evaluated it though, it's mostly just been about unfamiliarity and some bad breaks. It's football. That's just how it is.

It's unfortunate that my attempt to disrupt a bit of the "Fire Riley" commotion with some illustrations of the all around struggles as a program, has come off as a complete defense of this staff, or an attack on any particular player. That's never the intent, but I am surely not the guy who is always free of emotion and passion when stating my opinions. I'll try to do better.

 

To be fair Cavanugh himself said it was a sh#t article and apologized for it. It was a hit piece on a 20 year old kid

 

20 year olds aren't kids and I would like to hear what you think of the effort shown on the "Move the pile" play...because it is fair to judge a player's effort based on the effort he showed.

 

To be fair to Gerry and Maurice here:

The rules of the game have wussified this sport so much. If those two guys go firing in there and try to make a play, there's probably a flag thrown for unnecessary roughness.

The guys thought their teammates were making the play. As they should've.

Now, I'm not dismissing the whole effort argument at all. I think there's some issues. Hopefully what will all work itself out. On that play though, I can totally see where the possible penalty flag puts doubt in players minds.

As far as the other two plays in there, I think it is obvious that Gerry is truly still adjusting to playing in this scheme. I don't think he's the only one. That's where we got to find the balance. It doesn't mean it's a bad scheme. It doesn't mean it's a bad player. Sometimes in this game of football, not every football players fits every scheme.

The Ol' Ball Coach in a Husker jacket. Hell yes!

Don't like him when we are playing against him, but the man knows his football. He knows talent too.

I heard on the radio he's doing some consulting? Meaning he might be here to watch the team and kind of help examine who, where, and how we could get better?

I'm just throwing out what I heard and what he could possibly be doing here. Can't say I know for sure.

Welcome to Big Red Nation for the weekend Coach!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pettit ignores that:

 

1. Bo did tell them they should work hard for their new coach (you can read the audio transcrip).

 

LOL....this is akin to:

 

Father going through divorce and having a supper with his young kids: "Kids, your mother is a rotten slutty whore that is a cowardice bitch and is impossible to live with. Her a-hole parents are clueless and do nothing but tear me apart for no reason other than their own hidden motives......But, I want you to try your best to love her and your grand parents. But, if you don't want to love them, there are other places you can live. Good luck."

 

 

 

Yeah....that really inspires the thought of saying goodbye in a supportive way. But...hey....he did say, "But, I want you to try your best to love them".

Bad analogy. Bo didn't bad mouth his successor. He only talked badly about Pederhorst. And he told the truth.

 

A better analogy would be the dad telling the kids that their mother is a wonderful woman, but her boss is a jackass.

Bo talked badly about many more then SE on many occasions. he hated everyone and everything here at Nebraska and made it well known to his players how he felt. he pissed in the well every chance he had. but he did...at the end of telling everyone how bad it was here...tell them to support their new coach. Mike may be the only person he didn't throw under the bus from Nebraska....good thing you are here to do that for Bo.

That's patently false, but if it helps you deal with this crap season, believe whatever you want.

who did Bo like besides himself and his players?

I won't answer that. I wouldn't do that to ya, man! I can tell you need to believe your narrative.

lol no answer. got it.

 

The only ones he didn't like were the fairweathered fans who booed at games and left early (or the ones who would've if they had been there.) And they are pretty easy to spot, because they say very similar things to what you've been posting.

I laughed out loud.

 

 

 

"3-9 is good for the program"

How about the current players?

I truly can't believe how deluded some have become.

3-9 is absolutely needed for some fans, like the count. The amount of ego that certain fans tie into the football program is beyond ridiculous. That ego needs a beating.

 

However, it happened before, and it didn't seem to do any good then. So, maybe there's just no hope for certain fans.

 

OTH, I feel bad for the players recruited under the previous HC during a season like this.

I totally agree.

I feel bad for some of the players that have to endure a down year like this, of course they too attribute to that down year. But some Husker fans need a serious beat down on their entitlement and "holier than thou" mentality.

There's actually radio show hosts and fans talking about this game Saturday, saying if we win, no way should we rush the field. "Act like you've been there" they say. "We're better than that"!

The hell we are. We aren't better than anybody right now. We are right on par with the same teams that storm the field when they beat us. We haven't been overwhelmingly better than the in a long time. Sure we've won a lot of games, more than we have this year, but I've seen nothing on the field that spreads us from the pack aside from a kid named Ameer Abdullah and Ndamukong Suh if you want to go back further.

If we win Saturday, hell yes storm that field students. Enjoy the highs when you can. This should be fun. Stop getting so low with the lows. What good does it do.

We'll be back someday. I guarantee it.

Thanks to some pouty entitled asshat, I'm sitting in their seat Saturday night. Got em cheap! Me and my daughter will enjoy it I promise!

What good does it do to storm the field. You endanger your fellow fans, the players, and damage property. And why, because you have self esteem issues? You don't even honor your team doing it, you insult them.

 

Support your team. Applaud their accomplishments, from the stands, where fans belong.

Not really sure what good it does. It sounds fun.

My argument wasn't really about the pros and cons of storming the field, it was more against the idea that we are somehow "above it".

 

 

 

 

"3-9 is good for the program"

 

 

How about the current players?

 

 

I truly can't believe how deluded some have become.

3-9 is absolutely needed for some fans, like the count. The amount of ego that certain fans tie into the football program is beyond ridiculous. That ego needs a beating.

 

However, it happened before, and it didn't seem to do any good then. So, maybe there's just no hope for certain fans.

 

OTH, I feel bad for the players recruited under the previous HC during a season like this.

I totally agree.

I feel bad for some of the players that have to endure a down year like this, of course they too attribute to that down year. But some Husker fans need a serious beat down on their entitlement and "holier than thou" mentality.

There's actually radio show hosts and fans talking about this game Saturday, saying if we win, no way should we rush the field. "Act like you've been there" they say. "We're better than that"!

The hell we are. We aren't better than anybody right now. We are right on par with the same teams that storm the field when they beat us. We haven't been overwhelmingly better than the in a long time. Sure we've won a lot of games, more than we have this year, but I've seen nothing on the field that spreads us from the pack aside from a kid named Ameer Abdullah and Ndamukong Suh if you want to go back further.

If we win Saturday, hell yes storm that field students. Enjoy the highs when you can. This should be fun. Stop getting so low with the lows. What good does it do.

We'll be back someday. I guarantee it.

Thanks to some pouty entitled asshat, I'm sitting in their seat Saturday night. Got em cheap! Me and my daughter will enjoy it I promise!

I wish I was able to place a bet on who I thought would chime in. I'd have won me a little money huh cm Husker .

 

 

 

*Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown

 

In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense.

 

So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"?

Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count

Joe Dailey was long gone before 2007. Do you have any idea what you are talking about?

 

Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03.

 

There are tons more examples. Dane Todd was a Solich kid. He made first team All Big 12 for Callahan in '06. There were also about 14 guys on Callahan's first roster that went on to sign NFL contracts.

 

Just start over and list all the players.

Big Ern stated in his first post he wasn't placing any bias on anything. He was just compiling a list the best he could and opening the discussion for debate. It's a message board. That's kind of the point.

Then here you come telling him he's pulled things "out of his ass" as if he's got an agenda. You're the one with an agenda and apparently you get to be outright disrespectful to people to prove it.

I think I'm going. Should be fun. I never was one to bail out during the hardest times. I'm not real bright.

Funny thought. What if we win? I mean, this is football. This is a home game. It'd be one of the biggest wins in Memorial Stadium in years and I would get to say that I was there.

So awesome. I wish Pelini had never stepped a foot into this program.

The more people in the know that come forward and call out that piece of sh#t, the better.

It obviously needs to be acknowledged more when you see so many people that seem to just ignore it.

Thank you Mr. Pettit for having the guts to speak the truth.

I think most people think Nebraska isn't as bad as their 3-6 record. Furthermore, MSU has struggled in quite a few games that a top ten team should win easily. They're not convincing, just like Iowa isn't.

MSU on the road this year, 37-24 Western Michigan, 31-24 Rutgers, and 27-23 @ Michigan. So their games on the road have been fairly close.

If Nebraska can be loud and be disruptive to Connor Cook's communication, it could be absolutely game changing. I'm not sugarcoating that. It truly could influence this game.

We need Husker fans to get their sh#t together this weekend and bring it for this team!

Night game and both teams should be fueled by the disrespect they've received this week. I'm sure MSU doesn't like the fact that so many people think this game will be close. They will want to prove something. Nebraska should be pissed......well, you know why.

 

Youngstown State was 7-2 now they're 4-4! Holy Crap!

 

People in glass houses, don't you know...9-3 vs. 3-6...

 

...I will make sure to revisit this particular post at the end of the season, to give both Pelini and Riley a chance to be judged by an entire year, which is fair. We can both comment then, if you like.

 

I must've hit a nerve on that one.

True, in reference the the offense, Riley didn't have any QB's on the roster to replace Sean Mannion. OSU had like 3 true freshman to pick from.

Sometimes I wish we had three true freshman to choose from.

I kid, I kid.

Looks like Anderson at OSU must've picked the wrong one huh? Their offense sucks. Or it could be that Anderson and Riley don't even come close to having the same philosophy offensively.

Let's stick to the mantra here, blame coaches and blame players. Transition, smansmitions.

 

So Anderso(e)n losing at OSU is Riley's fault and Riley losing here is also Riley's fault.

 

It's all Riley's fault.

 

Riley.

 

Last year Youngstown State was 7-2 at this point in the season. This year they are 4-4. Thanks Obama, err, I mean Riley.

 

Youngstown State was 7-2 now they're 4-4! Holy Crap!

Yes Bo.....7!

Their AD must be supporting them from under a freaking rock this year!

So the reason Nebraska has went from 9-4 to 3-6 so far, ISN'T because of any of our former coaches failures, not because of a transition to completely different schemes, or entirely different personal and professional philosophies. It's the fault of the guy who CAME, Mr. Mike Riley.

The reason Oregon St. has went from 5-7 to 2-6 so far, IS because of the former coaches failures. Not because of the completely different schemes, or entirely different personal and professional philosophies. It's the fault of the guy who LEFT, Mr. Mike Riley.

Boy, people want to blame this guy for everything. Pretty desperate and pretty unfair IMO.

Oregon St. offense averaged 25.7 points per game last year. They average 19.4 this year. 8 games in, Mike Riley's offense had scored 209 points last season. 8 games into this season, Gary Anderson's offense has scored 155 points.

Last year, Oregon St. had 376 rushing attempts total for 3.77 yards per attempt. 8 games in, Anderson's offense already has 318 attempts for 4.51 yards per carry. That's an average of 39.75 attempts per game for Anderson. Riley's offense averaged 31.3 attempts per game. Difference in philosophy there is obvious already. By the way, does Riley get credit for the YPC average going up significantly?

Riley's offense averaged 39.3 passing attempts per game. Anderson's offense average almost 10 less at 29.3. Huge difference there.

Why can't we just acknowledge the vast difference in coaching styles in each situation. Acknowledge that the players at each school don't necessarily match the offensive or defensive philosophies; and cut the sh#t with this scapegoat head hunting nonsense.

 

There is no magic number of games or years that you MUST have before judging a coach.

 

If you have a coach whose team plays competive and is within a few points of the point spread in each game, it's kind of hard to judge him no matter the results.

 

But when you have enough of an extreme, you can judge by the first game. If you had a new coach who took over for a team that hasn't won a game in multiple seasons, and he opened with his first game at Alabama and he beat them 56-0, what more do you need to know? You've got a coach.

 

When you have a guy come in and take over a team that consistently wins at least 9 games a year and he takes them to their worst season in over 50 years and the most losses in school history, one season is plenty to judge that you've got a sub-mediocre coach. (Any AD with a lick of sense would've suspected as much before hiring him.)

 

Huh. When I pointed out that Bo Pelini inherited a 7- 5 team at Youngstown State, brought in some of his own Power 5 studs, and is now coaching sub-500 football and complaining about the 14,000 seat stadium being half-full, you insisted that context was everything.

 

#BOOM

I think if our offensive line was better, we would run the ball more.

Thought this was interesting. School with holmes, KJJ, Gebia, Dismuke ans Hightower

https://mobile.twitter.com/FrshYelGrizzly/status/661743546349719552?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

I think he's right. Time for a youth movement.

Rather than militate in favor of giving Riley more time, this sentiment is exactly why I think we should move now.

 

If you believe Kenny, most of the team is still in a transition period where they haven't quite bought into Riley. If that's true, you've lost little by getting rid of a staff to whom the players have not yet bonded versus waiting a few years when the team and staff have bonded before canning Riley. This team will never miss Riley & Co. less than if he were canned now.

So what if these same guys that refuse to buy in now, also refuse to buy in to the next staff if we decide to make a move.

What if the 2016 Recruting class doesn't buy in to a staff that didn't recruit them.

Seems to me like this coaching staff has bought in. They love this program. The reached out to former coaches and players almost immediately. They've embraced the history and tradition, and they understand the challenge and the expectations.

If we've got people who aren't buying in and taking the challenge head on, don't want to be part of building this tradition, and don't love the program, then maybe they're the ones that need to bounce the hell on out of here.

Not saying I know for sure if there is those guys, or how many of them there are, but I know the coaching staff isn't "those guys".

#BOOM

 

It's not about winning only 9. It's about always being in a solid position to bounce up, should the right circumstances present themselves.

The chances Bo had to do that, he screwed up fabulously. And they hit the nail exactly on the head: his entire culture was about resenting the fact that anybody wanted to do anything more.

 

It's why a team captain from last year's squad is laughing at fans who wanted Bo gone for going 9-4.

 

Their priorities were so far out of order. I agree wholeheartedly with Sam's perspective.

 

Me too Zoogs. It's actually one of the smartest ways I've heard someone describe this whole mindset. McKewon is a sharp dude.

Something that would be interesting to look up...how many coaches have coached 300 games but have a losing record?

That would be interesting.

To be coaching that long, they must be respected in the business.

Much unlike coaching 7 years in your first gig, being known as one of the only coaches in history to win 9 games a year every year, and then ending up at Youngstown St.

 

 

The Firing: Was Correct

The Hiring: Was Wrong

How hard is this?

Bo Pelini was hired December 3, 2007.

Mike Riley was hired December 4, 2014.

 

Today's date is November 3, 2015.

 

How hard is this?

Well, you must admit that currently it is the wrong hire, right? That is all we have to go on...and the last 30 years of his coaching career.

 

I'm not sure yet.

We are 3-6. We've lost 5 of those games by a total of 13 points. We've been competitive and down to the wire with the same teams that have been competitive with us in the past aside from Purdue and Illinois. We destroyed a Minnesota team that has proven to be capable of beating us in the past. We went down to the wire with a Wisconsin team that has proven capable of destroying us in the past.

I'm not over reacting to the win/loss record. I've watched the games. I've seen the same inconsistent team doing the same things they've always done. What I haven't seen is the couple of guys we used to have that could make something out of nothing and carry this team on their backs.

I'd like to think the leaders in this program and the big money behind it, are smart enough not to overreact either. These guys deserve a chance to do their jobs. Just like anybody else in any profession. This is hardly "their" team yet.

Good teams/bad teams, I don't know.

Teams we are pretty evenly matched with. Yep.

Except on the offensive line. I can say with certainty we are more inconsistent than nearly every team we've played when it comes to the offensive line.

I've gotten tickets for a lot less than that on StubHub. During the magical 9 wins seasons of Bo Pelini nonetheless.