onlyHskrfaninIL

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

Actually, no. They are at whatever capacity they can hold as long as groups are under 10 and tables are 6 feet apart. 
 

https://www.illinoisrestaurants.org/news/513835/State-of-Illinois-Releases-Phase-IV-Guidelines-for-Restaurants-and-Bars.htm
 

now, standing room is around there. 

well what a hoot.  see its not just about the rules its also about perception and there are so many irrationally afraid that dont want to venture out of their bedroom.  that goes back to my original comment.  good night very fun chatting with you.

4 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

Thoughts & prayers. Hope you can hold up.

hey now...i wear a mask for YOU and give you priority hours at the grocery store

you keep those prayers

6 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

So...you claimed all those things are shut down, but they’re not. 

well you got me there buster..the restaurants are at 30% of previous capacity instead of 0%.  i guess we are all systems go a ok.

5 minutes ago, teachercd said:

Like...I get it...I get that on TV they show the protesting teachers, it makes for a better story.

 

Since Monday I have been at school and practice...No one wants to be at home teaching.  I sort of don't want to coach because the kids I have are horrible but still...I have a a covid "survivor" on my staff, he is all in...I have a 45 year teaching vet on the staff, he is all in...

 

Do I hate wearing a mask to teach and coach in all day, yes.  Very much so.

its a little different here.  the schools here were supposed to open with parents having the choice of all in person or all e learning.  the super announced this about 2-3 weeks ago.  i was ok with that we were going to send our autistic son back in person because he needs to be around typical kids.  last friday they send out an email saying they changed their mind and its all in person then today we get an email saying they dont have laptops for all the kids because of some shipping delay.  its been a huge cluster-f.  my wife has gotten emails from some teachers who did want to go back saying apparently there was basically a boycott from the union and no one (or not enough) wanted to work because they were scared.  

1 minute ago, BigRedBuster said:

Ummmm....not where I live and not where I travel for work. 
 

wait.....did you go into your bunker in March and not realize almost all of that has opened back up?

not where i live.  restaurants are open for limited outside seating and carryout.

i didnt go to any bunker i kept working.

9 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

besides football what all is shut down currently? 

k-12, higher ed (e learning is crap), pools, church, restaurants, museums, any kind of sports or extra curricular, any kind of organized social event such as a fair or festival, concerts, bars, quite a few other things im forgetting probably

9 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

As for your first paragraph, your wife may say it but its not true. Hospitals get no extra money for COVID deaths period. They get money for COVID care, but not for deaths.

https://www.denverpost.com/2020/05/20/coronavirus-covid-medicare-payments-hospitals/

 

As far as deaths, they aren't declining. Just because you say things doesn't make them true. The fact of the matter is deaths are rising again, rapidly in some regions. Deaths have been rising steadily since July. 

 

People are still going to school no matter what. Whether its remote or in person school is happening so you can dispense of that false narrative. And the jobs are tied directly to the severity of the pandemic. Notice how job losses continue despite the fact we have opened things up? The economy is going to have issues as long as the pandemic is out of control. 

Ok you know more than she does from wherever tf you live.  I'm not going to keep arguing with you.  You can believe what you want.  the mortality rate is declining and you already admitted that.  The question is why are you so concerned with making this seem worse than it actually is?  Do you have small kids?  I do.  E learning is crap.  The school where i live just came out today and even they are doing e learning only, oh sorry, we dont have computers for you anymore.  And earlier in the week they admitted in an email that, oh yeah, we will actually be taking an attendance and grading things this semester.  You can pretend the e learning is great you are another that wants to keep things shut down for as long as possible.  The only question that remains is why is that?  Can I ask what your political affiliation is?

4 minutes ago, runningblind said:

18% of total daily deaths isn't significant? Someone failed math.

im a cpa i didnt fail math.  i was your tutor.  its not significant enough to justify shutting everything down is what i meant. you should take the blindfold off.

4 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

Who is “irrationally” fearful of this?

 

people that are simply following the guidelines and wish others would?

people who want to shut everything down until there is a vaccine.

you are in charge of your own health.  i wear a mask because its the courteous thing to do but you really need to stop worrying about what others do.  you have ZERO control over them.

3 minutes ago, teachercd said:

I won't give names...but about 25% of the people I work with are irrationally fearful of this...as in...sitting at their desk behind a desk shield and then upon entering...me with a mask on...15 -- 20 feet away...they also put on their mask.  

 

 

yes lots of people like this i see it every day

13 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

I don't believe you. What you are saying has been debunked over and over again. Hospitals get no extra money from COVID deaths. 1400 deaths a day on top of what we already have is absolutely significant. Thats nearly heart disease level which is the deadliest disease in the US. Mortality rate is going down but anyone with a brain knew it wasn't 3.4%. Best estimate has been 0.5%-1% for awhile now and that is still the best estimate. 

you dont have to believe but what i say is true.  there are a lot of people that think and still think the death rate is in the 3s.  

you are entitled to your beliefs but i dont think 1400 people a day (and declining) is enough to justify millions of kids not going to school, and millions of people losing their jobs.  

22 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

we had 1400 deaths today? Not sure where you are getting this idea because its not true. 

the mortality rate is going down whether you want to accept it or not.  7 to 8 thousand people died per day in this country before covid.  1400 on top of that is nothing.  and we all know they are calling pretty much every death right now a covid death to get the federal money.  my wife works in the hospital here and she admits they are doing that.  this is not something we should be shutting the whole country down for at this point.

2 minutes ago, Notre Dame Joe said:

 

There are 6 vaccine candidates that are in Phase 3 Trials, which means they all passed phase two.  I think the risk is that by the time regular people can get one, the virus will be an ignored footnote in the news.

they'll be lucky to get a third of the population to even take it

There may not be college football for quite some time.  Fauci has said dont count on an effective vaccine.  The doctors are already learning how to treat it better but that doesnt seem to matter.  We are having more and more positives and less and less deaths but people are still irrationally fearful of this.  I hope there is a great vaccine or treatment but until then the world is on hold until we learn to accept some of the risk that comes with this virus.  

1 hour ago, knapplc said:

 

Take the stage. Tell us from beginning to end what the truth of this is. March through today. 

 

 

why so you can twist my words like the last guy?  you seem to know it all anyways i'm sure you dont need me to tell you

5 minutes ago, Undone said:

 

Did you go to Menard's during this period to observe this yourself in person, or did you hear about this second hand?

the 'protesters' reported back to him

11 minutes ago, knapplc said:

 

No. Nobody was forced to stay in their homes, nobody was prevented from going to Menard's (and Menard's has been packed since day one of this virus, mostly with people not wearing masks). 

 

Stamping out spread would require enforced isolation, enforced mask wearing, massing contact tracing, and we haven't done any of these things.  

ha! This is like the argument for communism - We just didn't do it right!.  You and I both know a federally mandated lockdown complete with brownshirts patrolling the streets will never happen in this country.  Even if someone had the will it just isn't possible.

1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said:

Easy to say coming from the country doing the absolute worst. 

If you want to refute what i said fine but snide comments like this dont really add to the conversation

6 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

 

The US is currently at 7.6%; locally, Omaha is over 11% and Nebraska as a whole is over 9%. 

Yes, and they have all sorts of restrictions and travel bans still in place

https://www.forbes.com/sites/irenedominioni/2020/07/14/italy-renews-coronavirus-restrictions-connections-with-13-countries-blocked-until-end-of-july/#1baf127d6f4c

Yes if you control a small enough area and use massive restrictions you can tamp this thing down for a time.  The problem is eventually you have to open things up again to have schools, commerce, sports, etc.  Thats why I say there is no 'in control'.  As long as this is out there and there is no vaccine you can either hide out and keep things shut down forever or you try and mitigate it as much as possible and move forward.  We are in this weird place right now where people are really struggling with this concept.  There is no country on this planet that has 'beaten' covid as long as its still out there.  

8 minutes ago, Cdog923 said:

 

If people had worn masks all summer, we would have this under control. 

 

EDIT: Laugh it up, fuzzball, but you know I'm right. 

you're not because you think there is an 'under control'

1 minute ago, Nebfanatic said:

Your definition of taking action and mine greatly differ. 

I would love to hear your definition.  Please humor me.

2 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Show me the post because no one has said this. And no one is making the argument in your second paragraph either, but way to tackle that strawman. In 6 months COVID has killed just as many as lung cancer kills every year. Lung cancer is the deadliest cancer in the US. You can't just catch lung cancer though. No one wants to shut down for years. What we do want is to take this seriously and actually take action to suppress this like many other countries have done. 

Way to conveniently ignore your own strawman in your last post.

You are deliberately not understanding what I'm saying.  we have been 'taking action' for 5 months and this thing still exists.  You can't mask this thing away.  You can do a shutdown but its still going to be out there when you open up again.  There is either a vaccine OR there is being as safe as possible but accepting some risk and we go back to real life.

12 minutes ago, Nebfanatic said:

Its reduced spread considerably in many other countries. Did he say it would be gone with masks? No. But the fact is they have been proven as an effective tool in the fight to reduce spread.

 

 

The 'theres nothing we could or can do so we should just give up crowd is interesting to me. Alot of death to come if we adopt that attitude. I hope its worth it.

right now there is a tolerance for 0 cases so actually whoever that was did say it would be gone without masks.

i clearly didnt say we should give up because i mentioned the vaccine.  1,000s of people died every day in this country before covid.  yes more people will die from covid there is nothing you can do about that but there is no reason those at high risk cant stay at home to reduce their exposure.  This may go on for years.  Are you willing to shut down kids education for that long?  Sorry but saving a few thousand elderly isn't worth that.  It just isnt.

23 minutes ago, Danny Bateman said:

 

Yeah, it'd be real nice if we could stop pretending people who think maybe not having organized sports this fall would be a good idea are doing so because they're weak or scared or whatever. This same kind of crap got said about people who social distanced and wore masks early on.

 

We are where we are because not enough people followed the guidelines.

 

(not directed at you nic, that last paragraph from Harbaugh just kind of ticked me off.)

So this would have all just done away had we all worn masks?  Do you seriously think this?

This isnt going away whether people wear masks or not.  We are either waiting on a vaccine or we accept the risk and move forward.

1 hour ago, twofittyonred said:

um.. its NOT what you said and since you removed the post Im assuming you know it as well...  let me refresh your memory  " 

  On 7/10/2020 at 2:15 PM, onlyHskrfaninIL said:

"the mumps vaccine is consdered one of, if not the fastest, vaccine ever created - it took 4 years.

 

you'll hear "experts" on this forum say there is no herd immunity.  if there isnt there is likely no vaccine and we are wearing masks forever.

 

i agree just social distance for all time"...   -   You CAN have a vaccine without "herd immunity"...You CAN NOT have any sort of "herd immunity" without a vaccine.  so, in conclusion (just so you got it right)  we can have a vaccine without herd immunity and not have to wear masks "forever"...

 

didnt delete anything not sure what you're looking at.

there won't be a vaccine without a strong immune response.  At least not one that lasts for more than a few months.  i'm not counting on a vaccine but i guess we'll see.