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  1. TGHusker

    Green New Deal

    Ok, to pick up the topic from the Dem utopia thread. I want to present this discussion without the inflammatory (mine) words I used previously and look at this more objectively. I do not want to dismiss an idea out of hand just because it is a progressive wish list. The ideas expressed in the GND could be good for the USA IF they (1) Don't bankrupt us (2) don't enslave us due to high taxes (3) don't limit liberty due to govt control and domination of our lives. If they don't do these things, in the long run the ideas could/would be good for America and conservatives (true fiscal conservatives and not the fake GOP only ones) should work with progressive to make it work by helping to establish fiscal guidelines that will keep us out of the insolvency ditch. This may mean developing realistic time lines and priorities with 'real' funding models and not by just printing more money. Hyper inflation we don't need. But instead of spending money on pointless wars and wasted tax cuts, it would be better that we work together to invest in US - the USA. Quantitative leaps in society only happens as we follow big dreams and big dreamers. Like JFK and Ronald Reagan and FDR and Lincoln. JFK - challenged us to think of the possibliites of getting a man on the moon in 10 years. He knew the drive would spin off all kinds of innovative new products that would benefit the society. Reagan dreamed of an end to the arms race and a world not ruled by fear of nuclear destruction (no thanks to Trump who has now backed out of the INF treaty that Reagan and Gorby signed). FDR dreamed of a world of financial equality. And of course Lincoln dreamed of a world of racial equality. I don't want to be small minded. And conservatism should not be thought of as small minded. Let the progressive dream and if the dreams advance society, then let conservatives find a way to make it happen fiscally and not be road blocks. First here is a link from Data for Progress. A progressive organization which goes into great depth regarding the GND. I'll just copy their intro below. https://www.dataforprogress.org/green-new-deal/ Here is a conservative evaluation of the regulatory costs of enacting the GND. The evaluation is fair and goes into great detail. The evaluation is based on the information on the Data for Progress link provided above. Their summary follows the link https://www.americanactionforum.org/insight/the-regulatory-impact-of-the-green-new-deal/ The summary document from my previous post: https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/5729035/Green-New-Deal-FAQ.pdf The articles which asks how will it be funded and other basic info. https://www.politico.com/story/2019/02/06/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-budget-1143084 https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics/green-new-deal-details/index.html https://theweek.com/speedreads/822456/alexandria-ocasiocortez-wants-pay-green-new-deal-by-essentially-printing-more-money