NCAA in "Deep Discussion" to Implement Revenue Sharing with Athletes

[307husker]

13 hours ago, ECisGod said:

These are just symptoms of the root cause that we, as a society, overvalue entertainment.

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[PasstheDamnBallGuy]

18 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

 

It was probably bound to get effed up anyway but, personally, I think the schools and NCAA should’ve held the ground that provided a scholarship and stipend in exchange for being a player. Had players sign a contract that they were not entitled to their NIL and that’s the deal. Other than that nobody is forcing them to be a CFB player. But here we are…

I too reminisce about the times when we could pay people less than they were worth. What a sham that players get their stake in a billion dollar industry where they are the product. 

[JJ Husker]

2 hours ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

I too reminisce about the times when we could pay people less than they were worth. What a sham that players get their stake in a billion dollar industry where they are the product. 

Glad to see somebody is with me on missing the good ole days when playing for pride, school & team allegiance and your shot at the next level big payday in exchange for a valuable education was enough. 
 

These other folks will just have to settle for their boring new NFL Lite league while we dream of yesteryear.

 

 

[runningblind]

2 hours ago, PasstheDamnBallGuy said:

I too reminisce about the times when we could pay people less than they were worth. What a sham that players get their stake in a billion dollar industry where they are the product. 

 

10 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Glad to see somebody is with me on missing the good ole days when playing for pride, school & team allegiance and your shot at the next level big payday in exchange for a valuable education was enough. 
 

These other folks will just have to settle for their boring new NFL Lite league while we dream of yesteryear.

 

 

Why can't we have both?  Have a system that gives the players a cut, but they have to agree to terms to be at a school for 2-3 years.  The constant transferring, coaches having to recruit their own teams is the main issue here IMO.  Make kids commit so we can have a team concept again, fans can get to know players and root for them rather than wondering if they will even be here next year still. 

[JJ Husker]

3 minutes ago, runningblind said:

 

Why can't we have both?  Have a system that gives the players a cut, but they have to agree to terms to be at a school for 2-3 years.  The constant transferring, coaches having to recruit their own teams is the main issue here IMO.  Make kids commit so we can have a team concept again, fans can get to know players and root for them rather than wondering if they will even be here next year still. 

Why can’t we have both? Greed and stupidity is why.

 

Schools are greedy.

Players are greedy.

Networks and advertisers are greedy.

Fans are stupid.

[BigRedBuster]

1 hour ago, runningblind said:

 

Why can't we have both?  Have a system that gives the players a cut, but they have to agree to terms to be at a school for 2-3 years.  The constant transferring, coaches having to recruit their own teams is the main issue here IMO.  Make kids commit so we can have a team concept again, fans can get to know players and root for them rather than wondering if they will even be here next year still. 

If we could get players under contract for 2-3 years, that's about the only way I can see cutting down on tamperting from other coaching staffs.  Which.....I see as a HUGE problem in the sport.

[PasstheDamnBallGuy]

2 hours ago, JJ Husker said:

Glad to see somebody is with me on missing the good ole days when playing for pride, school & team allegiance and your shot at the next level big payday in exchange for a valuable education was enough. 
 

These other folks will just have to settle for their boring new NFL Lite league while we dream of yesteryear.

 

 

[Undone]

I think there's a chance that college football can continue to look like it has looked the past couple seasons for quite a few more years - maybe even longer. But it seems like that is dependent on there not being some new "NFL Minor League" being created.

 

I'm sure there are investors already thinking about doing it. It's a question of whether they could actually pull enough athletes away from the college game. The way they'd do it is of course by offering them considerably more money than what they'll be paid when the dust settles on this latest NCAA court case and the revenue sharing model is defined.

[ECisGod]

19 hours ago, Undone said:

I think there's a chance that college football can continue to look like it has looked the past couple seasons for quite a few more years - maybe even longer. But it seems like that is dependent on there not being some new "NFL Minor League" being created.

 

I'm sure there are investors already thinking about doing it. It's a question of whether they could actually pull enough athletes away from the college game. The way they'd do it is of course by offering them considerably more money than what they'll be paid when the dust settles on this latest NCAA court case and the revenue sharing model is defined.

It would depend on how extensive the minor league was. 

 

If they went to a baseball format, it would cost billions of dollars. Assuming 50 players (50 x 32 x 4 = 6400) per team at 4 different levels. 1B/6400 is around 150k per player & that wouldn't include coaches, stadium rent, etc.

 

If they went with an NBA G-League format it would still cost a couple hundred million.

 

I doubt you could convince the teams or the NFLPA to go for a real minor league.  They don't want to share the money.

[Dr. Strangelove]

On 6/4/2024 at 11:16 AM, JJ Husker said:

Glad to see somebody is with me on missing the good ole days when playing for pride, school & team allegiance and your shot at the next level big payday in exchange for a valuable education was enough. 
 

These other folks will just have to settle for their boring new NFL Lite league while we dream of yesteryear.

 

 

I personally told my employer that I'm willing to work for free because I take pride in my work and do it for the friends and team spirit comradery I make along the way! 

 

23 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

If we could get players under contract for 2-3 years, that's about the only way I can see cutting down on tamperting from other coaching staffs.  Which.....I see as a HUGE problem in the sport.

I certainly think the biggest issue right now is not letting players be employees, where this can be negotiated via a CBA.

 

Schools are trying to simultaneously share revenue without the employee aspect, but courts have made the transfer (and soon employment rules) clear: schools are price fixing employee labor and employment freedom. Why they're embracing a model with gargantuan legal holes is weird, but they're likely buying time to pay back the settlement before negotiated revenue sharing becomes a thing. 

[JJ Husker]

42 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

I personally told my employer that I'm willing to work for free because I take pride in my work and do it for the friends and team spirit comradery I make along the way! 

 

Jeez, how generous of you. And to think you could’ve gotten a $200k education, free food, endless sports clothing and other perks along with OJT that could have you earning millions in only 3 or 4 years. Sucker.

[Dr. Strangelove]

16 minutes ago, JJ Husker said:

Jeez, how generous of you. And to think you could’ve gotten a $200k education, free food, endless sports clothing and other perks along with OJT that could have you earning millions in only 3 or 4 years. Sucker.

The current model is deeply illegal. 

 

What do you think is changing in the sport that is so dangerous to you? Do you really think these guys have been students that just so happen to play football? 

 

Newsflash: these kids are basically working full time jobs with practices and preparation, participate in hours of "voluntary" preparation each week, miss class because of game travel, and get put through diploma mill majors so the school athletic departments can make millions and give them... a degree from a worthless major? Most players aren't exactly in the STEM fields my dude. And it's been this way for decades. So what are you holding onto?

[soup]

55 minutes ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

The current model is deeply illegal. 

 

What do you think is changing in the sport that is so dangerous to you? Do you really think these guys have been students that just so happen to play football? 

 

Newsflash: these kids are basically working full time jobs with practices and preparation, participate in hours of "voluntary" preparation each week, miss class because of game travel, and get put through diploma mill majors so the school athletic departments can make millions and give them... a degree from a worthless major? Most players aren't exactly in the STEM fields my dude. And it's been this way for decades. So what are you holding onto?

Nobody is holding on to anything.  But the argument that these kids were "slaves" to the system is garbage.  They were getting compensated and in some cases very well.  That is all anyone is trying to say.  

 

The need to go full hyperbole on either side is awfully tiresome.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

15 minutes ago, soup said:

Nobody is holding on to anything.  But the argument that these kids were "slaves" to the system is garbage.  They were getting compensated and in some cases very well.  That is all anyone is trying to say.  

 

Guys, getting compensated by an education from an average school isn't that valuable. Any of these kids can go to their instate schools for a tuition cost of ~12k a year and get scholarships and grants. This idea that all the hours they put in is worth what the schools are giving them is kind of a joke. It values their time at ~10 dollars an hour. 

 

Just accept that their talents demand high wages, as evidenced by what TV executives are willing to pay to air what they do. Frankly, even sharing $20 million is a joke. 

 

They'll eventually negotiate CBAs for roughly half of the revenue they generate, which is on par with other American sports organizations.

[JJ Husker]

4 hours ago, Dr. Strangelove said:

The current model is deeply illegal. 

 

What do you think is changing in the sport that is so dangerous to you? Do you really think these guys have been students that just so happen to play football? 

 

Newsflash: these kids are basically working full time jobs with practices and preparation, participate in hours of "voluntary" preparation each week, miss class because of game travel, and get put through diploma mill majors so the school athletic departments can make millions and give them... a degree from a worthless major? Most players aren't exactly in the STEM fields my dude. And it's been this way for decades. So what are you holding onto?

I’m not holding on to anything except fond memories and the desire to have something significantly different than the NFL, which I really don’t care for, exactly because of the commercialization, money, contracts, egos etc.

 

Look, I know the players were getting hosed on the money side of things and I acknowledge that it was not fair. I just liked CFB much better when the players were actually student athletes and it wasn’t a professional sport. So shoot me….