NCAA to Allow Unlimited Paid Assistant Coaches

[Mavric]

 

[runningblind]

So unlimited paid coaches, but roster limits and the removal of walkons are coming?  Unlimited coaches makes perfect sense with large rosters. It makes zero sense when you want to shrink the roster. Why do I need 25 coaches with 85 players?  I can't wait for the day the NCAA has zero say in college football.

[The Dude]

So not much will change, it'll just be out in the open now, kind of like with paying players. 

[HS_Coach_C]

So how long until top recruits start demanding their personal trainer, private coach, or their dad gets a spot on the staff?

[Dr. Strangelove]

34 minutes ago, The Dude said:

So not much will change, it'll just be out in the open now, kind of like with paying players. 

While mind of true, the whole "paying players thing" is overblown. The amount of money flowing to players today so vastly out numbers what was happening pre-NIL it's kind of disingenuous to compare them. 

[admo]

This is good for us

[The Dude]

On 6/26/2024 at 12:27 PM, Dr. Strangelove said:

While mind of true, the whole "paying players thing" is overblown. The amount of money flowing to players today so vastly out numbers what was happening pre-NIL it's kind of disingenuous to compare them. 

 

How do you know what they were getting paid before?

[Dr. Strangelove]

1 hour ago, The Dude said:

 

How do you know what they were getting paid before?

Two ways: firstly, known amounts paid to players pre NIL. I'll give you two examples:

 

The reported amount paid to Cam Newton, by far the most talented player in the country and single handedly won an inept coach a National Championship was reportedly $180k. That is far, far, far less than the amount of money going to top players today.

 

Other reports of impropriate pay comes from Laremy Tunsil at Ole Miss in 2016. He reportedly had coaches pay his families $300 dollar utility bill. He got suspended in 2015 for receiving a loaner vehicle for 6 months, got a $3000 down payment to help pay for a new car, and an airline ticket. He was a top NFL talent draft pick.

There are quite a few other stories of players receiving money like Tunsil, and the numbers aren't eye popping. The amounts, while not "small" aren't life changing either. While it's impossible to know the exact amounts players received pre-NIL,

 

LASTLY, my purely anecdotal experience as a student in college back in the late 2000s. A recruit, a player, and a bunch of people were at a party. The recruit asked for money and for somebody to go to an ATM and his player chaperone seemed to really be taken aback by the request. Like it was absolutely outlandish that this kid would be asking for money. Part of that could be because Bo Pelini policed his team hard and really pushed for no violations like that to occur. I also ate lunch and chatted with walk ons when it was mini-pizza monday at the Cather-Pound dinning hall, and they regularly complained about how most of the players couldn't afford to go out to eat and they were sick of the training table and that's why they ate at CPN. Mark Pelini, who has sadly passed away, also complained about how much the lineman had to eat was bordering on disgusting over the summer and he had a hard time keeping the weight the coaches wanted him to have. 

[The Dude]

On 6/27/2024 at 2:53 PM, Dr. Strangelove said:

Two ways: firstly, known amounts paid to players pre NIL. I'll give you two examples:

 

The reported amount paid to Cam Newton, by far the most talented player in the country and single handedly won an inept coach a National Championship was reportedly $180k. That is far, far, far less than the amount of money going to top players today.

 

Other reports of impropriate pay comes from Laremy Tunsil at Ole Miss in 2016. He reportedly had coaches pay his families $300 dollar utility bill. He got suspended in 2015 for receiving a loaner vehicle for 6 months, got a $3000 down payment to help pay for a new car, and an airline ticket. He was a top NFL talent draft pick.

There are quite a few other stories of players receiving money like Tunsil, and the numbers aren't eye popping. The amounts, while not "small" aren't life changing either. While it's impossible to know the exact amounts players received pre-NIL,

 

LASTLY, my purely anecdotal experience as a student in college back in the late 2000s. A recruit, a player, and a bunch of people were at a party. The recruit asked for money and for somebody to go to an ATM and his player chaperone seemed to really be taken aback by the request. Like it was absolutely outlandish that this kid would be asking for money. Part of that could be because Bo Pelini policed his team hard and really pushed for no violations like that to occur. I also ate lunch and chatted with walk ons when it was mini-pizza monday at the Cather-Pound dinning hall, and they regularly complained about how most of the players couldn't afford to go out to eat and they were sick of the training table and that's why they ate at CPN. Mark Pelini, who has sadly passed away, also complained about how much the lineman had to eat was bordering on disgusting over the summer and he had a hard time keeping the weight the coaches wanted him to have. 

 

I think there’s a pretty big difference between "known" and "reported".

[Madcows]

On 6/26/2024 at 8:39 AM, runningblind said:

So unlimited paid coaches, but roster limits and the removal of walkons are coming?  Unlimited coaches makes perfect sense with large rosters. It makes zero sense when you want to shrink the roster. Why do I need 25 coaches with 85 players?  I can't wait for the day the NCAA has zero say in college football.

 

With the unlimited coaches, these guys are already on staff, they will just now have more flexibility to correct and teach in real time. It's a win for schools trying to hide their infractions and allows the student athlete to get immediate coaching.  The move to limit roster size, much like the addition of coaches, is coming from the schools, not the NCAA. School Administration want less on the roster for a myriad of reason. Coaches will say they want all the walk-ons and don't want the change. As it always does, dollars will dictate the decision. I predicate we will see a hard cap of 100 players max on the roster while moving the scholarship limit to 100 as well. I predicate this will be in place before the end of the decade. This is all coming from the House decision and NIL, which is all a trickle down from Sam Keller and group suing EA. Funds will now have to go back to the athlete and that reduces the funds that were going elsewhere. To help mitigate the losses, schools don't want as many athletes on a team. I also think these collectives like 1890 will be merged into fundraising arm under the university and not be separate entities. It may "hurt" big schools (it really won't) but it will help the smaller schools. No longer will a person walk-on to be a 4 year practice player at a big time school, they'll have to take the scholarship offer the next tier down school. It'll improve quality of football at lower levels, and not hurt upper levels. You'll see more "upsets" as the talent will be more evenly distributed to schools.

[nic]

On 6/26/2024 at 3:39 AM, runningblind said:

So unlimited paid coaches, but roster limits and the removal of walkons are coming?  Unlimited coaches makes perfect sense with large rosters. It makes zero sense when you want to shrink the roster. Why do I need 25 coaches with 85 players?  I can't wait for the day the NCAA has zero say in college football.

All those violations for having analysts coaching go away. Here's looking at you Michigan. One of last teams to get penalized for a rule that no longer exists.

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[BigRedBuster]

50 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

 

Did we hire Dominic?

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