Husker03 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 minute ago, Guy Chamberlin said: But it increasingly feels like Raiola and likely Satterfield are deferring to the safer passes that Haarberg could have made. Including the screen game, which really hasn't been working. Did you watch Haarberg? 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, Husker03 said: Did you watch Haarberg? Last season? Yeah, that was kinda the point. Raiola is clearly the better passer and decision maker, but to my eye there's been a drop-off of those passes "only Raiola could have made" and an increasing reliance on the check-down receivers, making the offense look more like it did with Haarberg last year. Since this is the "fire Satterfield" thread and the clip showed Raiola going for the 9 yard gain rather than the touchdown, I'm mostly wondering aloud if the called game has gotten a little more conservative. Like last year, when we didn't have a legit passing threat. Watching Raiola salvage third downs with strategic scrambles makes me think a little more of his running would help the passing game. Quote Link to comment
TGHusker Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 2 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: aloud if the called game has gotten a little more conservative. Like last year, when we didn't have a legit passing threat. Which lost us 4 out of 4 games to end the season. On the critical 4 downs and goal to get a TD after the interception we did the conservative 3x - 3 runs up the middle. Seems like we do better when we play a bit more wide open. As you note, there haven't been as many of those 'only Raiola could have made' passes of late. Quote Link to comment
Huskers93-97 Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 32 minutes ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Last season? Yeah, that was kinda the point. Raiola is clearly the better passer and decision maker, but to my eye there's been a drop-off of those passes "only Raiola could have made" and an increasing reliance on the check-down receivers, making the offense look more like it did with Haarberg last year. Since this is the "fire Satterfield" thread and the clip showed Raiola going for the 9 yard gain rather than the touchdown, I'm mostly wondering aloud if the called game has gotten a little more conservative. Like last year, when we didn't have a legit passing threat. Watching Raiola salvage third downs with strategic scrambles makes me think a little more of his running would help the passing game. I just saw this posted on rivals. Pretty crazy to think the production is actually worse per game. 1 1 4 Quote Link to comment
Undone Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: But it increasingly feels like Raiola and likely Satterfield are deferring to the safer passes that Haarberg could have made. Including the screen game, which really hasn't been working. Yes. The staff seems to maybe be conflicted with running their West Coast scheme that involves at least some kind of zone read and how to best incorporate Raiola. The claim was that we'd be aggressive this season. There have been flashes of that, with a good example being the Illinois game (where in my opinion the aggressiveness was executed well on offense). But now the staff seems conflicted. Quote Link to comment
Undone Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 As to the post about comparing what we've done this season versus last in terms of stats, we are currently better - and our QB is a true freshman. It seems like Raiola doesn't get all that much slack for things that go wrong as a true freshman. But the biggest thing that excerpt failed to point out is that this year's schedule so far has been measurably tougher than last year's. Either way, we have to figure out how to make teams get worried about our medium to long range passing game. We can't just do short game stuff on 1st down or 2nd & long at this point because there's too much on film about what we're going to do. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 6 hours ago, Undone said: Raiola has been taking underneath routes all year. Eh ... he's been doing it some. But a lot of times he's looking to go deep when there are open guys underneath. Even earlier in this game he wasn't taking open options he could have. He seemed to do better in the second half against tOSU. But my point was more that those routes are there, it's just a matter of the QB throwing them. A few people were trying to claim that our offense is nearly devoid of such options. 1 Quote Link to comment
Husker in WI Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 6 hours ago, Undone said: Raiola has been taking underneath routes all year. Anyway, in this play we are in a pretty "spread" look. We are pulling the opponent out of the middle. The play was probably most successful because the top side safety pulled over to the short side wideout for a hot second. I'd like to just run stuff like this on 2nd & longs. 5 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: But it increasingly feels like Raiola and likely Satterfield are deferring to the safer passes that Haarberg could have made. Including the screen game, which really hasn't been working. I'm curious what people want "being more aggressive" to look like. Looking at the OSU passing game, with the following caveats: Plenty of pass plays are not easily bucketed into quick/medium/deep, there are routes at each level and I do not know the primary reads I am a novice and do not have all-22 film, although I think the broadcast view is enough to identify something as a designed quick pass Related to point #1, maybe a play is called as a shot and Raiola finds an outlet. Maybe a play is called as a quick throw and he chucks it up to a route intended just to clear defenders out. Without asking Satt/Raiola, it's impossible to know for certain what the intent of a certain call was With those understood, I counted: 6 screens 6 RPOs (2 of them go routes rather than bubble/arrow stuff) 8 quick game throws (Including 1 quick out to get into field goal range at the end of the half, excluding 2 pop passes to Barney which are really a running play IMO) 15 intermediate throws 7 deep throws It's not this dink and dunk 3 step and throw offense. I'd also argue the RPOs are called runs, and shouldn't factor heavily into peoples perception of how we call the passing game. The YPA looks terrible because a lot of the screens/RPOs are getting blown up for negative yardage, and we aren't connecting on the deep balls nearly enough to pull it up. The lines between quick/intermediate and intermediate/deep are admittedly blurry, but I went with anything that didn't look to be a clear 3 step or catch and throw as at least intermediate. Especially considering OSU's defensive front, this seems like a fairly aggressive spread. I think a lot of people are lumping the RPOs and screens together, but they're not the same. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 This was a really nice look. Kansas City loves to run looks like this around the goal line. Quote Link to comment
GlobalHusker Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 9 minutes ago, Mavric said: Eh ... he's been doing it some. But a lot of times he's looking to go deep when there are open guys underneath. Even earlier in this game he wasn't taking open options he could have. He seemed to do better in the second half against tOSU. But my point was more that those routes are there, it's just a matter of the QB throwing them. A few people were trying to claim that our offense is nearly devoid of such options. IMHO, I’d like to add that sometimes when DR is waiting for the deep guy, the underneath option closes because he’s completed the route or the defense has had the time to recover. Then he’s no longer open, or the option for YAC is gone. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 4 minutes ago, Husker in WI said: Plenty of pass plays are not easily bucketed into quick/medium/deep, there are routes at each level and I do not know the primary reads No! No! NO! If you don't see it successfully executed repeatedly it can only mean that we have not even contemplated such schemes. 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 1 hour ago, GlobalHusker said: IMHO, I’d like to add that sometimes when DR is waiting for the deep guy, the underneath option closes because he’s completed the route or the defense has had the time to recover. Then he’s no longer open, or the option for YAC is gone. That's a fair point. I would counter with we been so terrible on deep balls that we should probably be taking what we can get a lot more. But there is a balance to be found. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Not a bad choice, just not a great throw. I would probably also take my chances with hitting Fidone right out of his break and letting him fight for a couple of yards. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 Absolutely the right throw. And Raiola is tremendous at this throw. But ... you know.... just pointing out there are several short options. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 31 Share Posted October 31 I think you could put five kindergartners out there and it would look roughly like whatever our OL was trying to do here. Quote Link to comment
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