DocNice Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 So let me see if I have this straight. Here is a list of Doc's "unimportant" things in football: Special Teams Rushing Coaching And a list of things that are important: Passing Illinois That about covers it, right? Nothing I've said is really controversial. The most powerful offense is a balanced offense. But if you're going to be one dimensional, as both MU and NU have been at times this year, the pass is clearly the more powerful of the two for putting points on the board. Special teams is important, but not as important as offense and defense, I think that's pretty uncontroversial, and I don't see an advantage there for NU anyway. And losing games to overrated teams doesn't mean you're a top 10 team. I think that about covers it. Quote Link to comment
hskrfan4life Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 how is special teams not as important. Special teams can give you good or bad field position. Special teams kicks field goals, special teams pins opponents in their own territory. and we frankly have the best specialists in the nation see Henrey (Mr. Automatic) and Big boot kunalic. and last time i checked virginia tech isn't overrated. They beat a good miami team. how good we will find out today if they beat oklahoma. Quote Link to comment
captain obvious Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 The most powerful offense is a balanced offense. But if you're going to be one dimensional, as both MU and NU have been at times this year, the pass is clearly the more powerful of the two for putting points on the board. Special teams is important, but not as important as offense and defense, I think that's pretty uncontroversial, and I don't see an advantage there for NU anyway. And losing games to overrated teams doesn't mean you're a top 10 team. I would take a team that runs the ball well over a team that passes the ball well any damn day. The cumulative effects of a powerful running game are substantial. Opponents get worn down. You control the ball. Most importantly, running teams are typically more consistent than pass-happy teams that thrive on big plays. Having dominant special teams is a potentially huge advantage against any opponent. If your special teams can swing field position, lay big hits, and/or put up points, it can help you win in a big way. Special teams is nothing to downplay. Quote Link to comment
DocNice Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 how is special teams not as important. Special teams can give you good or bad field position. Special teams kicks field goals, special teams pins opponents in their own territory. and we frankly have the best specialists in the nation see Henrey (Mr. Automatic) and Big boot kunalic. and last time i checked virginia tech isn't overrated. They beat a good miami team. how good we will find out today if they beat oklahoma. A bad offense will get you 300 yards and 3 scores. A good defense will get you 300 yards and save 4 scores. Good special teams will get you 100 yards of field position and 1 score. Fantastic special teams will get you 200 yards and 2 scores. Offense and defense are on the field for 100 snaps a game. Special teams maybe 10 or so. This is really a no brainer and I'm surprised there's debate about it. I never said it wasn't important, just not as important as offense and defense. Quote Link to comment
carlfense Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 So let me see if I have this straight. Here is a list of Doc's "unimportant" things in football: Special Teams Rushing Coaching And a list of things that are important: Passing Illinois That about covers it, right? Good point. I'm trying to figure out whether Doc saying/believing this is funny or sad. I think it's probably a little of both. He talks like one of the Missouri fans who discovered college football 2 years ago. Quote Link to comment
Huskerballz Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 how is special teams not as important. Special teams can give you good or bad field position. Special teams kicks field goals, special teams pins opponents in their own territory. and we frankly have the best specialists in the nation see Henrey (Mr. Automatic) and Big boot kunalic. and last time i checked virginia tech isn't overrated. They beat a good miami team. how good we will find out today if they beat oklahoma. A bad offense will get you 300 yards and 3 scores. A good defense will get you 300 yards and save 4 scores. Good special teams will get you 100 yards of field position and 1 score. Fantastic special teams will get you 200 yards and 2 scores. Offense and defense are on the field for 100 snaps a game. Special teams maybe 10 or so. This is really a no brainer and I'm surprised there's debate about it. I never said it wasn't important, just not as important as offense and defense. Are those the factual measurements for bad, good and fantastic in relation to offense, defense and special teams? Is there a table where I can see these measurements laid out? When does fair become good and good vaults up to great, and where does super fall into play here? Please, that little paragraph of yours was ridiculous. How can you possibly know how much a good, bad or "fantastic" defense, offense and special teams can put up? Quote Link to comment
Heartbeats4Huskers Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 DocNice, How did Tech score 24 on Bama with only 155 yards? I do agree with you that special teams may not be as important as offense or defense, but to completely neglect it is naive. What I know without a doubt is that Nebraska's defense may not be as good as Alabama's, but when our Defense in combined with our Special Teams play, we allow less points that Bama. Again, yards on offense is not the most important statistic in the game of football. Its the points on the board, THAT dictates who wins and who loses. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think this thread really underscores the fallacy of many college football fans. It's very simple - there are four basic parts to on-field results: Offense Defense Special Teams Coaching All four impact a game substantially. Ignoring any one of these facets of the game is foolish. Quote Link to comment
DocNice Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think this thread really underscores the fallacy of many college football fans. It's very simple - there are four basic parts to on-field results: Offense Defense Special Teams Coaching All four impact a game substantially. Ignoring any one of these facets of the game is foolish. So is misallocating resources because you don't know the right priority. Quote Link to comment
DocNice Posted October 3, 2009 Author Share Posted October 3, 2009 how is special teams not as important. Special teams can give you good or bad field position. Special teams kicks field goals, special teams pins opponents in their own territory. and we frankly have the best specialists in the nation see Henrey (Mr. Automatic) and Big boot kunalic. and last time i checked virginia tech isn't overrated. They beat a good miami team. how good we will find out today if they beat oklahoma. A bad offense will get you 300 yards and 3 scores. A good defense will get you 300 yards and save 4 scores. Good special teams will get you 100 yards of field position and 1 score. Fantastic special teams will get you 200 yards and 2 scores. Offense and defense are on the field for 100 snaps a game. Special teams maybe 10 or so. This is really a no brainer and I'm surprised there's debate about it. I never said it wasn't important, just not as important as offense and defense. Are those the factual measurements for bad, good and fantastic in relation to offense, defense and special teams? Is there a table where I can see these measurements laid out? When does fair become good and good vaults up to great, and where does super fall into play here? Please, that little paragraph of yours was ridiculous. How can you possibly know how much a good, bad or "fantastic" defense, offense and special teams can put up? Because I watch football? Seriously, I can't believe this is even a discussion. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 how is special teams not as important. Special teams can give you good or bad field position. Special teams kicks field goals, special teams pins opponents in their own territory. and we frankly have the best specialists in the nation see Henrey (Mr. Automatic) and Big boot kunalic. and last time i checked virginia tech isn't overrated. They beat a good miami team. how good we will find out today if they beat oklahoma. A bad offense will get you 300 yards and 3 scores. A good defense will get you 300 yards and save 4 scores. Good special teams will get you 100 yards of field position and 1 score. Fantastic special teams will get you 200 yards and 2 scores. Offense and defense are on the field for 100 snaps a game. Special teams maybe 10 or so. This is really a no brainer and I'm surprised there's debate about it. I never said it wasn't important, just not as important as offense and defense. Are those the factual measurements for bad, good and fantastic in relation to offense, defense and special teams? Is there a table where I can see these measurements laid out? When does fair become good and good vaults up to great, and where does super fall into play here? Please, that little paragraph of yours was ridiculous. How can you possibly know how much a good, bad or "fantastic" defense, offense and special teams can put up? Because I watch football? Seriously, I can't believe this is even a discussion. It's easy to see why you don't grasp the relevance of this discussion. You seem to draw conclusions out of thin air with little or no factual basis. Or, you attempt to use facts and use them incorrectly. So color me unsurprised that you can't believe this. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think this thread really underscores the fallacy of many college football fans. It's very simple - there are four basic parts to on-field results: Offense Defense Special Teams Coaching All four impact a game substantially. Ignoring any one of these facets of the game is foolish. So is misallocating resources because you don't know the right priority. My point exactly. I'm glad we agree. Quote Link to comment
Enhance Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 I think this thread really underscores the fallacy of many college football fans. It's very simple - there are four basic parts to on-field results: Offense Defense Special Teams Coaching All four impact a game substantially. Ignoring any one of these facets of the game is foolish. So is misallocating resources because you don't know the right priority. Kind of like focusing too much on your skill position players and not so much on recruiting great offensive and defensive line players so you can actually compete with the powers of the South? Instead, the season is full of disappointment and a bowing down to Oklahoma's will and losing the championship game badly? Sorry, had to do it. Quote Link to comment
jbarnum Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 DocNice, you aren't talking about the same Va Tech team that passed for over 300 yards today and 2 tds. I know that you will say its against Duke and anybody could have done it, but you played Furman and anybody could have passed against them too. Quote Link to comment
knapplc Posted October 3, 2009 Share Posted October 3, 2009 DocNice, you aren't talking about the same Va Tech team that passed for over 300 yards today and 2 tds. I know that you will say its against Duke and anybody could have done it, but you played Furman and anybody could have passed against them too. Is that the same Furman that passed for 300 yards against Missouri? Quote Link to comment
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