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Player: Zach Sterup

Hometown: Hastings, NE

Position: OT

Height: 6'9"

Weight: 265 lbs

40 time: 5.0

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Scholarships: Iowa

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Would love to keep this kid in state, if even based solely on his monster frame. Looks to be a decent player nonetheless-- offered on the spot by Iowa at their JR day.

 

Apparently, Zach is quite the basketball player also. He is said to have college potential in both sports, and has yet to choose which he will play in college.

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Player: Zach Sterup

Hometown: Hastings, NE

Position: OT

Height: 6'9"

Weight: 265 lbs

40 time: 5.0

Visit Date:

Scholarships: Iowa

Favorites: Colorado State, Iowa, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Ohio, Wisconsin

 

Rivals:

Scout:

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Wow 6'9. He is a tank.

 

It's when we add guys like this to the OL that I begin to believe in that whole "Quarterbacks should be 6'4"+ " mumbo-jumbo. Carnes, Kellogg & Martinez might have a tough time seeing/throwing over this guy.

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I think that's why we are heading more to a roll out type of attack. We could see bigger slot backs and WR for blocking this year. Little of this showed up in our bowl game rolling out with the back and having the slot back coming down on the LBer. Little more hard nose football maybe that's why we may see no green shirts this year in the spring game.

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Wow 6'9. He is a tank.

 

Which is actually a bad thing, if the height is legit. Reason being he will have a tougher time getting low to stop edge rushers. And if he plays inside, it will be much easier for DTs to gain leverage on a much taller opponent.

 

And being still in HS, he's likely to grow more. So you have to wonder how tall he will get.

 

I actually hope for once a kids height isn't right and he is a few inches shorter than listed.

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Wow 6'9. He is a tank.

 

Which is actually a bad thing, if the height is legit. Reason being he will have a tougher time getting low to stop edge rushers. And if he plays inside, it will be much easier for DTs to gain leverage on a much taller opponent.

 

And being still in HS, he's likely to grow more. So you have to wonder how tall he will get.

 

I actually hope for once a kids height isn't right and he is a few inches shorter than listed.

 

It seems like the NFL covets these tall OT, 6'5" - 6'7" has almost become the standard especially the Left Tackles. You don't see very many 6'3" guys at that spot any more. I imagine it's b/c of the arm length the have. If he is 6'9" he's going to have a huge reach advantage against almost anybody he matches up against. If he can develop great technique and has quick enough feet he's going to be very very tough to pass rush against. Iowa is like an OL factory they seem to send quality O-linemen to the NFL every year. They must have seen something they liked in him to offer him. And who knows 10 yrs down the road everyone might be looking for that 6'8" - 6'9" OT.

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If football is his game hopefully he stops growing and starts filling-out his height more.

 

With Iowa already in the mix should be interesting to see what happens with Sterup.

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Wow 6'9. He is a tank.

 

Which is actually a bad thing, if the height is legit. Reason being he will have a tougher time getting low to stop edge rushers. And if he plays inside, it will be much easier for DTs to gain leverage on a much taller opponent.

 

And being still in HS, he's likely to grow more. So you have to wonder how tall he will get.

 

I actually hope for once a kids height isn't right and he is a few inches shorter than listed.

 

It seems like the NFL covets these tall OT, 6'5" - 6'7" has almost become the standard especially the Left Tackles. You don't see very many 6'3" guys at that spot any more. I imagine it's b/c of the arm length the have. If he is 6'9" he's going to have a huge reach advantage against almost anybody he matches up against. If he can develop great technique and has quick enough feet he's going to be very very tough to pass rush against. Iowa is like an OL factory they seem to send quality O-linemen to the NFL every year. They must have seen something they liked in him to offer him. And who knows 10 yrs down the road everyone might be looking for that 6'8" - 6'9" OT.

 

Arm length is fine, but that would be beneficial for a shorter man to keep defenders out of getting into him. At Sterup's supposed height, defenders are going to constantly force him to prove he can bend and move. Edge rushers are going to dip their shoulder to get under his blocks. DT's will use his height as a disadvantage to consistently get under his pads to set him off balance.

 

Really, his best hope is at OT. Very few OG's make it being tall. I remember researching one that there are very few OG's in the NFL who are even 6'5 or taller.

 

Football is a game of leverage, and more times than not, the low man wins in that case. Being at an extreme height is a huge disadvantage in his case, and it's why most people at Sterup's supposed height choose other sports to succeed.

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i read in an article in scout that he wants to try and play football and basketball and that his offer from Iowa was big because they are recruiting him for basketball also.

 

if he is to go to NU, I think Doc or the next NU Basketball coach will have to be involved in it also.

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Good grief, Too Tall Jones was 6'9". The tallest players currently in the NFL are around 6'9". Quite correct to note that any growth jeopardizes his chance of playing football much longer.

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Good grief, Too Tall Jones was 6'9". The tallest players currently in the NFL are around 6'9". Quite correct to note that any growth jeopardizes his chance of playing football much longer.

 

:yeah

 

And Harold Carmichael was a 6'8" WR for the Eagles.

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Losing leverage might be a little overrated if you can move your feet and have a big frame. Jonathon Ogden was 6"9' and he was the best OT in the league for about 12 years and will be a first ballot hall of famer. Not saying this guy is as good as Ogden, but that it could be a build that he could use to play football

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Losing leverage might be a little overrated if you can move your feet and have a big frame. Jonathon Ogden was 6"9' and he was the best OT in the league for about 12 years and will be a first ballot hall of famer. Not saying this guy is as good as Ogden, but that it could be a build that he could use to play football

 

I'm curious to see what he measures at junior day. Anything you read regarding Sterup and basketball lists him 6'10" or 6'11". Anything football related has him at 6'9". They always stretch you a little on the basketball rosters, but unless he slumps at junior day he's pushing the envelop on the measurables.

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Good grief, Too Tall Jones was 6'9". The tallest players currently in the NFL are around 6'9". Quite correct to note that any growth jeopardizes his chance of playing football much longer.

 

The exception and not the rule. A 20 year ago exception, at that.

 

Just to show - there are 53 players on each NFL roster, with 32 teams. 53*32=1696. I used ESPN rosters, which lists players exceeding the 53 player roster limit, so lets just say 60 players for each team. 60*32=1920.

 

Of all of those listed, only 20 players were in excess of even 6'8. Of those players, 3 were TE's, 1 was a DT, and 2 were DE's. The rest were OT's. That would mean barely 1% of every player listed on an NFL roster would be in excess of 6'8.

 

On our own Huskers squad, in the last decade (because that is as far as I decided to look) we have had ONE player 6'8 or taller on our roster. That player is walk-on TE, Robert Barry.

 

Is it impossible to succeed playing with height? No. Does it make it incredibly more difficult? HECK YES.

 

I actually like Sterup as a prospect. But his height is actually his disadvantage, especially being as tall as he is in high school already. Those growth plates likely are not closed. That's all I'm saying.

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Good grief, Too Tall Jones was 6'9". The tallest players currently in the NFL are around 6'9". Quite correct to note that any growth jeopardizes his chance of playing football much longer.

 

The exception and not the rule. A 20 year ago exception, at that.

 

Just to show - there are 53 players on each NFL roster, with 32 teams. 53*32=1696. I used ESPN rosters, which lists players exceeding the 53 player roster limit, so lets just say 60 players for each team. 60*32=1920.

 

Of all of those listed, only 20 players were in excess of even 6'8. Of those players, 3 were TE's, 1 was a DT, and 2 were DE's. The rest were OT's. That would mean barely 1% of every player listed on an NFL roster would be in excess of 6'8.

 

On our own Huskers squad, in the last decade (because that is as far as I decided to look) we have had ONE player 6'8 or taller on our roster. That player is walk-on TE, Robert Barry.

 

Is it impossible to succeed playing with height? No. Does it make it incredibly more difficult? HECK YES.

 

I actually like Sterup as a prospect. But his height is actually his disadvantage, especially being as tall as he is in high school already. Those growth plates likely are not closed. That's all I'm saying.

 

I kind of like the idea of him lining up, ball is snapped, he comes out of his stance and as the DT charges low he places his massive hand on the back of the guys helmet and pushes down - the DT gets a face full of turf. By the time he's a junior he can probably take care of a DT and a DE w/ his left/right hand and a little "ole'" blocking. :)

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I'm guessing the fact that he's a 2-sport athlete is going to hurt him a little. If he was 100% football he'd be coming in around 290-300 by now. If he got on the NU roster he'll break 310 by his sophmore year.

 

Here's a few recent OL recruits to take note of...

 

Seantrel Henderson 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (USC)

Damien Robinson 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Mississippi St.)

Matt James 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Notre Dame)

Brice Schwab 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona St.)

Trent Spurgeon 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona)

Bobby Massie 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (Mississippi)

Matt Hall 6' 10" :star :star :star :star (Arkansas)

Dann O'Neill 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Michigan)

Art Forst 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Rutgers)

Ken Plue 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Purdue)

 

...most hover around 300-320, but a few of these guys wer 270-285. He's not as outside the norm as one might think.

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I'm guessing the fact that he's a 2-sport athlete is going to hurt him a little. If he was 100% football he'd be coming in around 290-300 by now. If he got on the NU roster he'll break 310 by his sophmore year.

 

Here's a few recent OL recruits to take note of...

 

Seantrel Henderson 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (USC)

Damien Robinson 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Mississippi St.)

Matt James 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Notre Dame)

Brice Schwab 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona St.)

Trent Spurgeon 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona)

Bobby Massie 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (Mississippi)

Matt Hall 6' 10" :star :star :star :star (Arkansas)

Dann O'Neill 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Michigan)

Art Forst 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Rutgers)

Ken Plue 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Purdue)

 

...most hover around 300-320, but a few of these guys wer 270-285. He's not as outside the norm as one might think.

 

It all depends on the kid. Some taller kids just cant add weight as rapidly as others.

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I'm guessing the fact that he's a 2-sport athlete is going to hurt him a little. If he was 100% football he'd be coming in around 290-300 by now. If he got on the NU roster he'll break 310 by his sophmore year.

 

Here's a few recent OL recruits to take note of...

 

Seantrel Henderson 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (USC)

Damien Robinson 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Mississippi St.)

Matt James 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Notre Dame)

Brice Schwab 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona St.)

Trent Spurgeon 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona)

Bobby Massie 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (Mississippi)

Matt Hall 6' 10" :star :star :star :star (Arkansas)

Dann O'Neill 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Michigan)

Art Forst 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Rutgers)

Ken Plue 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Purdue)

 

...most hover around 300-320, but a few of these guys wer 270-285. He's not as outside the norm as one might think.

 

High school reported heights and weights are as reliable as a Dollar Tree sports watch. That is why I keep mentioning that if Sterup's height is accurate, because these guys almost always embellish. This is why coaches always measure height/weight for these kids as the first thing they do when they come on visits.

 

There were a couple of kids who came up for January visits right when Bo was scrambling to fill out the class when he was originally hired. Bo watched tapes of the two kids, liked their videos. Bo knew the coach and took his word on their height/weight when he asked them to come up for a visit. We had every intention to take both of the kids. We got them up here, measured them out and both were WAY under their listed height/weight. Bo flipped his lid over getting lied to so badly about that.

 

I remember Joe Ganz being one of the best. Joe self-reported he was 6'3, nearly 6'4 coming out of HS. Joe was barely 6'0 tall. :)

 

Jesse Coffey was another. Guy is tall, but self-reported 6'7 290 out of HS when he was nowhere near that. Did not matter to anyone, because all the S&C guys knew they could put weight on him to make him into a B12 lineman.

 

Kids and coaches do it just to do it sometimes. Other times, it's used to give kids a better 'look' to college coaches. Either way, all these numbers, including 40 times, are never reliable and should always be taken with a grain of salt.

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I'm guessing the fact that he's a 2-sport athlete is going to hurt him a little. If he was 100% football he'd be coming in around 290-300 by now. If he got on the NU roster he'll break 310 by his sophmore year.

 

Here's a few recent OL recruits to take note of...

 

Seantrel Henderson 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (USC)

Damien Robinson 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Mississippi St.)

Matt James 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Notre Dame)

Brice Schwab 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona St.)

Trent Spurgeon 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona)

Bobby Massie 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (Mississippi)

Matt Hall 6' 10" :star :star :star :star (Arkansas)

Dann O'Neill 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Michigan)

Art Forst 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Rutgers)

Ken Plue 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Purdue)

 

...most hover around 300-320, but a few of these guys wer 270-285. He's not as outside the norm as one might think.

 

High school reported heights and weights are as reliable as a Dollar Tree sports watch. That is why I keep mentioning that if Sterup's height is accurate, because these guys almost always embellish. This is why coaches always measure height/weight for these kids as the first thing they do when they come on visits.

 

There were a couple of kids who came up for January visits right when Bo was scrambling to fill out the class when he was originally hired. Bo watched tapes of the two kids, liked their videos. Bo knew the coach and took his word on their height/weight when he asked them to come up for a visit. We had every intention to take both of the kids. We got them up here, measured them out and both were WAY under their listed height/weight. Bo flipped his lid over getting lied to so badly about that.

 

I remember Joe Ganz being one of the best. Joe self-reported he was 6'3, nearly 6'4 coming out of HS. Joe was barely 6'0 tall. :)

 

Jesse Coffey was another. Guy is tall, but self-reported 6'7 290 out of HS when he was nowhere near that. Did not matter to anyone, because all the S&C guys knew they could put weight on him to make him into a B12 lineman.

 

Kids and coaches do it just to do it sometimes. Other times, it's used to give kids a better 'look' to college coaches. Either way, all these numbers, including 40 times, are never reliable and should always be taken with a grain of salt.

 

I respectfully disagree. The guys I listed have been to countless camps, combines, all-american games and other events where they were timed electronically and measured/weighed precisely. By the time the recruiting season gets going, and definately by the time it's winding down - an elite prospect will be fairly accurately reported. We already saw it with Ted Lampkin, originally listed at 5'9" was measured at a combine/camp at 5'7" and it's changed in most places.

 

As for the kids Bo was chasing last minute his first year, I doubt they were considered "elite" and therefore he probably had nothing else to go by...nor were they probably local boys like Sterup. Ganz, he played at 6'1"/210 for NU. He was 6'3" in Rivals here but Ganz really went no where that would have been tracked, and it's not like he had a lot of offers to spark an interest in his true measurables. You're right, Coffey reported at 6'7" 290, but he's also on NU's roster as 6'7" 300lbs, so I'm assuming unless UNL is full of BS that one's accurate.

 

Often this early there are discrepencies, but usually they error on the side that benefits the player (as in Lampkin's case). In Sterup's case that would be to make him shorter, not taller. I too mentioned earlier that I would like to see what he truely measures at because he's listed at 6'10" for basketball, but I'm doubting he drops much below 6'9". I certainly don't expect him to show up as 6'6" on Rivals after junior day.

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I respectfully disagree. The guys I listed have been to countless camps, combines, all-american games and other events where they were timed electronically and measured/weighed precisely. By the time the recruiting season gets going, and definately by the time it's winding down - an elite prospect will be fairly accurately reported. We already saw it with Ted Lampkin, originally listed at 5'9" was measured at a combine/camp at 5'7" and it's changed in most places.

 

As for the kids Bo was chasing last minute his first year, I doubt they were considered "elite" and therefore he probably had nothing else to go by...nor were they probably local boys like Sterup. Ganz, he played at 6'1"/210 for NU. He was 6'3" in Rivals here but Ganz really went no where that would have been tracked, and it's not like he had a lot of offers to spark an interest in his true measurables. You're right, Coffey reported at 6'7" 290, but he's also on NU's roster as 6'7" 300lbs, so I'm assuming unless UNL is full of BS that one's accurate.

 

Often this early there are discrepencies, but usually they error on the side that benefits the player (as in Lampkin's case). In Sterup's case that would be to make him shorter, not taller. I too mentioned earlier that I would like to see what he truely measures at because he's listed at 6'10" for basketball, but I'm doubting he drops much below 6'9". I certainly don't expect him to show up as 6'6" on Rivals after junior day.

 

Disagree with what? That those listings are inaccurate? A simple way to know if it is self-reported is to look for the check next to the listed height or weight. If there is none, then there is no Rivals verified height or weight. In which case, they list the height and weight as told to them by the player.

 

In the players you provided, not a single one is Rivals verified. That isn't even debatable, as that is how Rivals has always handled players profiles and continues to do today. Fact.

 

You mentioned Lampkin - notice in his player profile on Rivals that they have the check mark next to his height and weight. Those are Rivals verified numbers, which is why they have that check mark. That is the difference in all of those players you listed and Lampkin.

 

As for Bo and the 'elite' kids - you are right. But you are missing the point. High school coaches embellish these numbers, as do the players. This is the stuff that happens in recruiting. You have to go by word of mouth in so many circumstances, unless you have seen these kids in person. Thus why each player is weighed and measured during each visit as they first thing they do. Not only that, but each school has their S&C coach look over a player to determine if they have the frame needed to fill out for collegiate football. Our S&C could even lead the charge in stopping the recruitment of a player if he fills he cannot work with him.

 

And for Ganz - Joe was exactly 6'0 and weighed just over 200lbs at the combine. He was not 6'1 210, as you stated. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess Joe was not even 6'0 when he got on campus here. And he was definitely nowhere near the 6'3 190 listed by him. But it goes back to being another self-reported height and weight, as I've stated gives so many problems, just as you pointed out.

 

Again, in the case of Jess Coffey, take the listed height/weight with a grain of salt. Baker was playing in the 270's to begin last season. Suh was in the 280's. Marlowe is in the 160's. Caveman is about 230. Steven Osborne is in the 180's. Niles Paul is actually about 10lbs heavier than listed. Needless to say, these heights and weights are all over the map.

 

And your last paragraph - that benefits the player, like in Lampkin's case? Measuring in at 5'7 159lbs benefited Lampkin? How?

 

As I stated from my OP, and I don't know exactly what you are arguing in this case as you kinda contradict yourself, these heights/weights are often wrong. And as I stated, I hope it's the case for Sterup.

 

But to list players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem.

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I respectfully disagree. The guys I listed have been to countless camps, combines, all-american games and other events where they were timed electronically and measured/weighed precisely. By the time the recruiting season gets going, and definately by the time it's winding down - an elite prospect will be fairly accurately reported. We already saw it with Ted Lampkin, originally listed at 5'9" was measured at a combine/camp at 5'7" and it's changed in most places.

 

As for the kids Bo was chasing last minute his first year, I doubt they were considered "elite" and therefore he probably had nothing else to go by...nor were they probably local boys like Sterup. Ganz, he played at 6'1"/210 for NU. He was 6'3" in Rivals here but Ganz really went no where that would have been tracked, and it's not like he had a lot of offers to spark an interest in his true measurables. You're right, Coffey reported at 6'7" 290, but he's also on NU's roster as 6'7" 300lbs, so I'm assuming unless UNL is full of BS that one's accurate.

 

Often this early there are discrepencies, but usually they error on the side that benefits the player (as in Lampkin's case). In Sterup's case that would be to make him shorter, not taller. I too mentioned earlier that I would like to see what he truely measures at because he's listed at 6'10" for basketball, but I'm doubting he drops much below 6'9". I certainly don't expect him to show up as 6'6" on Rivals after junior day.

 

Disagree with what? That those listings are inaccurate? A simple way to know if it is self-reported is to look for the check next to the listed height or weight. If there is none, then there is no Rivals verified height or weight. In which case, they list the height and weight as told to them by the player.

 

In the players you provided, not a single one is Rivals verified. That isn't even debatable, as that is how Rivals has always handled players profiles and continues to do today. Fact.

 

You mentioned Lampkin - notice in his player profile on Rivals that they have the check mark next to his height and weight. Those are Rivals verified numbers, which is why they have that check mark. That is the difference in all of those players you listed and Lampkin.

 

As for Bo and the 'elite' kids - you are right. But you are missing the point. High school coaches embellish these numbers, as do the players. This is the stuff that happens in recruiting. You have to go by word of mouth in so many circumstances, unless you have seen these kids in person. Thus why each player is weighed and measured during each visit as they first thing they do. Not only that, but each school has their S&C coach look over a player to determine if they have the frame needed to fill out for collegiate football. Our S&C could even lead the charge in stopping the recruitment of a player if he fills he cannot work with him.

 

And for Ganz - Joe was exactly 6'0 and weighed just over 200lbs at the combine. He was not 6'1 210, as you stated. I don't know for a fact, but I would guess Joe was not even 6'0 when he got on campus here. And he was definitely nowhere near the 6'3 190 listed by him. But it goes back to being another self-reported height and weight, as I've stated gives so many problems, just as you pointed out.

 

Again, in the case of Jess Coffey, take the listed height/weight with a grain of salt. Baker was playing in the 270's to begin last season. Suh was in the 280's. Marlowe is in the 160's. Caveman is about 230. Steven Osborne is in the 180's. Niles Paul is actually about 10lbs heavier than listed. Needless to say, these heights and weights are all over the map.

 

And your last paragraph - that benefits the player, like in Lampkin's case? Measuring in at 5'7 159lbs benefited Lampkin? How?

 

As I stated from my OP, and I don't know exactly what you are arguing in this case as you kinda contradict yourself, these heights/weights are often wrong. And as I stated, I hope it's the case for Sterup.

 

But to list players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem.

Wow, obviously I pushed a button. Guess I should have used crayon since you understand in rainbow colors better. I disagree that all of those players that I listed - some of the top players in their classes - have bogus height/weights.

 

Seantrel Henderson - the #2 recruit in 2010 is 50 pounds lighter than what rivals is reporting. :sarcasm Just because there isnt' a checkmark doesn't mean it isn't accuarte. Henderson was weighed and measured so many times they probably wore the tape out. Powell, Henderson, Prater, Floyd, Allen, Woods, etc, etc. Hardly any of the top 100 recruits have all their measurables verified with your checkmark - most have none...but the accuracy of them is more than likely close because all these players were at the camps/combines and were measured. NO checkmark doesn't mean it's "self reported" it just means Rivals didn't bother verifying themselves. Rival's get's their numbers from other sources than Crabtree and the bathroom scale he carries around in his backpack. If it doesn't have a checkmark does the cynic in you just imediately assume they are 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter? Personally I don't gain any comfort with the checkmark since our coaches and staff obviously can't measure as well as the NFL scouts at the combine (in Ganz's case - For Ganz/Coffey I went of the NU roster) And if our coaches can't measure to your standards then probably no one can.

 

As for Lampkin - his self reported height (5'9") benefited him. If you are saying Sterup's self reported height is wrong then I say it probably errors on the side that will benefit him (making him shorter) which means that in reality he might be 6'10" or 6'11". He's not going to embellish his height and say he's 6'9" when he's really 6'7" because it certainly won't help him any. You are hoping his height is wrong. You're hoping he self-reported himself taller - which wouldn't make much sense from his perspective.

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Wow, obviously I pushed a button. Guess I should have used crayon since you understand in rainbow colors better. I disagree that all of those players that I listed - some of the top players in their classes - have bogus height/weights.

 

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Pushed a button? Huh? I'm not even having a spirited debate like I've been known to do a few times. If you have irritated me, you will know. Although seeing that you have resorted to pot shots in what was a reasonable discussion shows me where this is headed.

 

 

Seantrel Henderson - the #2 recruit in 2010 is 50 pounds lighter than what rivals is reporting. :sarcasm Just because there isnt' a checkmark doesn't mean it isn't accuarte. Henderson was weighed and measured so many times they probably wore the tape out. Powell, Henderson, Prater, Floyd, Allen, Woods, etc, etc. Hardly any of the top 100 recruits have all their measurables verified with your checkmark - most have none...but the accuracy of them is more than likely close because all these players were at the camps/combines and were measured. NO checkmark doesn't mean it's "self reported" it just means Rivals didn't bother verifying themselves. Rival's get's their numbers from other sources than Crabtree and the bathroom scale he carries around in his backpack. If it doesn't have a checkmark does the cynic in you just imediately assume they are 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter? Personally I don't gain any comfort with the checkmark since our coaches and staff obviously can't measure as well as the NFL scouts at the combine (in Ganz's case - For Ganz/Coffey I went of the NU roster) And if our coaches can't measure to your standards then probably no one can.

 

:facepalm:

 

Again, here you go being off the reservation.

 

Why does Henderson have to be 50lbs lighter? The kid could be 10-15lbs lighter and 2-3 inches shorter. That's common place in recruiting. But yet you have to go overboard to find some solidity in what you are saying.

 

As for Rivals' reporting practices - you are saying that you find Rivals the bearer of truth to report what is accurate. This is the same place that grades recruits higher based on who prolongs recruitment. The same place that ranks recruits higher based on who has the larger Rivals fanbase. And yes, this is why Nebraska recruits get more bumps than they get knocked down. The place that relies on an offer list to do recruiting for them, meaning if you get an Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma offer - you go up in the rankings.

 

But for Rivals' heights/weights, if you do not believe what I am saying, then I do not know what to tell you. This has been common practice from Rivals from their inception and has been well known. If you don't want to believe that, then ask around to those that will know. I'm not sure you want to for knowing what you will hear, but that's up to you.

 

All in all, you are saying what you THINK happens and stating it as fact, without any semblance of actual fact, but merely hoping you are right in what you say.

 

 

As for Lampkin - his self reported height (5'9") benefited him. If you are saying Sterup's self reported height is wrong then I say it probably errors on the side that will benefit him (making him shorter) which means that in reality he might be 6'10" or 6'11". He's not going to embellish his height and say he's 6'9" when he's really 6'7" because it certainly won't help him any. You are hoping his height is wrong. You're hoping he self-reported himself taller - which wouldn't make much sense from his perspective.

 

And as I stated, I believe it to be the case. I stated that from my original post, which is why I am completely confused as to why you are even debating me on this.

 

As I said in multiple posts now, my point is simply that showing players who have self-reported heights/weights is a strawman argument at best in showing that it will not make a difference the outcome of a player.

 

Further - if Sterup's height/weight is wrong, why has it not been corrected? I mean, as you believe, Rivals have numerous sources who could find out the true height/weight of a player without issue. A man like Sean Callahan has likely seen Sterup an insane amount of times, and could easily find out from the numerous coaching and administrative contacts he has. Someone like Bryan Munson could as well when he has as many contacts in this state, and in the AD, as anyone out there.

 

Even Sterup - he's a wrestler. He's measured and weighed religiously. Kid has also taken unofficials to Nebraska. The data would not be that hard to track down.

 

Lampkin also took multiple unofficial visits this past year, in which he would be looked over. In essence, you cannot have it both ways on this argument, if this is the argument you want to make.

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Wow, obviously I pushed a button. Guess I should have used crayon since you understand in rainbow colors better. I disagree that all of those players that I listed - some of the top players in their classes - have bogus height/weights.

 

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Pushed a button? Huh? I'm not even having a spirited debate like I've been known to do a few times. If you have irritated me, you will know. Although seeing that you have resorted to pot shots in what was a reasonable discussion shows me where this is headed.

 

 

Seantrel Henderson - the #2 recruit in 2010 is 50 pounds lighter than what rivals is reporting. :sarcasm Just because there isnt' a checkmark doesn't mean it isn't accuarte. Henderson was weighed and measured so many times they probably wore the tape out. Powell, Henderson, Prater, Floyd, Allen, Woods, etc, etc. Hardly any of the top 100 recruits have all their measurables verified with your checkmark - most have none...but the accuracy of them is more than likely close because all these players were at the camps/combines and were measured. NO checkmark doesn't mean it's "self reported" it just means Rivals didn't bother verifying themselves. Rival's get's their numbers from other sources than Crabtree and the bathroom scale he carries around in his backpack. If it doesn't have a checkmark does the cynic in you just imediately assume they are 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter? Personally I don't gain any comfort with the checkmark since our coaches and staff obviously can't measure as well as the NFL scouts at the combine (in Ganz's case - For Ganz/Coffey I went of the NU roster) And if our coaches can't measure to your standards then probably no one can.

 

:facepalm:

 

Again, here you go being off the reservation.

 

Why does Henderson have to be 50lbs lighter? The kid could be 10-15lbs lighter and 2-3 inches shorter. That's common place in recruiting. But yet you have to go overboard to find some solidity in what you are saying.

 

As for Rivals' reporting practices - you are saying that you find Rivals the bearer of truth to report what is accurate. This is the same place that grades recruits higher based on who prolongs recruitment. The same place that ranks recruits higher based on who has the larger Rivals fanbase. And yes, this is why Nebraska recruits get more bumps than they get knocked down. The place that relies on an offer list to do recruiting for them, meaning if you get an Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma offer - you go up in the rankings.

 

But for Rivals' heights/weights, if you do not believe what I am saying, then I do not know what to tell you. This has been common practice from Rivals from their inception and has been well known. If you don't want to believe that, then ask around to those that will know. I'm not sure you want to for knowing what you will hear, but that's up to you.

 

All in all, you are saying what you THINK happens and stating it as fact, without any semblance of actual fact, but merely hoping you are right in what you say.

 

 

As for Lampkin - his self reported height (5'9") benefited him. If you are saying Sterup's self reported height is wrong then I say it probably errors on the side that will benefit him (making him shorter) which means that in reality he might be 6'10" or 6'11". He's not going to embellish his height and say he's 6'9" when he's really 6'7" because it certainly won't help him any. You are hoping his height is wrong. You're hoping he self-reported himself taller - which wouldn't make much sense from his perspective.

 

And as I stated, I believe it to be the case. I stated that from my original post, which is why I am completely confused as to why you are even debating me on this.

 

As I said in multiple posts now, my point is simply that showing players who have self-reported heights/weights is a strawman argument at best in showing that it will not make a difference the outcome of a player.

 

Further - if Sterup's height/weight is wrong, why has it not been corrected? I mean, as you believe, Rivals have numerous sources who could find out the true height/weight of a player without issue. A man like Sean Callahan has likely seen Sterup an insane amount of times, and could easily find out from the numerous coaching and administrative contacts he has. Someone like Bryan Munson could as well when he has as many contacts in this state, and in the AD, as anyone out there.

 

Even Sterup - he's a wrestler. He's measured and weighed religiously. Kid has also taken unofficials to Nebraska. The data would not be that hard to track down.

 

Lampkin also took multiple unofficial visits this past year, in which he would be looked over. In essence, you cannot have it both ways on this argument, if this is the argument you want to make.

 

okay guys i'm not super involved in this convo but seeing all the minus rating and back and forth is kinda weak...... we need to lighten up... remember you guys are fighting over so to speak over how much dudes weight and how tall they are!!!!

 

lets chill for a minute chuckleshuffle

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Wow, obviously I pushed a button. Guess I should have used crayon since you understand in rainbow colors better. I disagree that all of those players that I listed - some of the top players in their classes - have bogus height/weights.

 

:dunno

 

Pushed a button? Huh? I'm not even having a spirited debate like I've been known to do a few times. If you have irritated me, you will know. Although seeing that you have resorted to pot shots in what was a reasonable discussion shows me where this is headed.

 

 

Seantrel Henderson - the #2 recruit in 2010 is 50 pounds lighter than what rivals is reporting. :sarcasm Just because there isnt' a checkmark doesn't mean it isn't accuarte. Henderson was weighed and measured so many times they probably wore the tape out. Powell, Henderson, Prater, Floyd, Allen, Woods, etc, etc. Hardly any of the top 100 recruits have all their measurables verified with your checkmark - most have none...but the accuracy of them is more than likely close because all these players were at the camps/combines and were measured. NO checkmark doesn't mean it's "self reported" it just means Rivals didn't bother verifying themselves. Rival's get's their numbers from other sources than Crabtree and the bathroom scale he carries around in his backpack. If it doesn't have a checkmark does the cynic in you just imediately assume they are 4 inches shorter and 50 pounds lighter? Personally I don't gain any comfort with the checkmark since our coaches and staff obviously can't measure as well as the NFL scouts at the combine (in Ganz's case - For Ganz/Coffey I went of the NU roster) And if our coaches can't measure to your standards then probably no one can.

 

:facepalm:

 

Again, here you go being off the reservation.

 

Why does Henderson have to be 50lbs lighter? The kid could be 10-15lbs lighter and 2-3 inches shorter. That's common place in recruiting. But yet you have to go overboard to find some solidity in what you are saying.

 

As for Rivals' reporting practices - you are saying that you find Rivals the bearer of truth to report what is accurate. This is the same place that grades recruits higher based on who prolongs recruitment. The same place that ranks recruits higher based on who has the larger Rivals fanbase. And yes, this is why Nebraska recruits get more bumps than they get knocked down. The place that relies on an offer list to do recruiting for them, meaning if you get an Alabama, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma offer - you go up in the rankings.

 

But for Rivals' heights/weights, if you do not believe what I am saying, then I do not know what to tell you. This has been common practice from Rivals from their inception and has been well known. If you don't want to believe that, then ask around to those that will know. I'm not sure you want to for knowing what you will hear, but that's up to you.

 

All in all, you are saying what you THINK happens and stating it as fact, without any semblance of actual fact, but merely hoping you are right in what you say.

 

 

As for Lampkin - his self reported height (5'9") benefited him. If you are saying Sterup's self reported height is wrong then I say it probably errors on the side that will benefit him (making him shorter) which means that in reality he might be 6'10" or 6'11". He's not going to embellish his height and say he's 6'9" when he's really 6'7" because it certainly won't help him any. You are hoping his height is wrong. You're hoping he self-reported himself taller - which wouldn't make much sense from his perspective.

 

And as I stated, I believe it to be the case. I stated that from my original post, which is why I am completely confused as to why you are even debating me on this.

 

As I said in multiple posts now, my point is simply that showing players who have self-reported heights/weights is a strawman argument at best in showing that it will not make a difference the outcome of a player.

 

Further - if Sterup's height/weight is wrong, why has it not been corrected? I mean, as you believe, Rivals have numerous sources who could find out the true height/weight of a player without issue. A man like Sean Callahan has likely seen Sterup an insane amount of times, and could easily find out from the numerous coaching and administrative contacts he has. Someone like Bryan Munson could as well when he has as many contacts in this state, and in the AD, as anyone out there.

 

Even Sterup - he's a wrestler. He's measured and weighed religiously. Kid has also taken unofficials to Nebraska. The data would not be that hard to track down.

 

Lampkin also took multiple unofficial visits this past year, in which he would be looked over. In essence, you cannot have it both ways on this argument, if this is the argument you want to make.

 

okay guys i'm not super involved in this convo but seeing all the minus rating and back and forth is kinda weak...... we need to lighten up... remember you guys are fighting over so to speak over how much dudes weight and how tall they are!!!!

 

lets chill for a minute chuckleshuffle

 

haha - we're actually arguing over a list I posted. A list that contained 10 players of similar height to Sterup that willie called BS because Rivals can't get anything (height/weight/rankings) correct. He took offense to the list because listing "players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem."

 

It's a classic example of taking something completely out of context. I was just saying he's not as huge of an outlier as one might think. I used Rival's data because that's pretty much all we have without putting way to much time into it. Not a big deal - throw a -1 on this post as well...one thing I do know as FACT is the "reputation" provided on this website is MUCH LESS accurate than Rival's measurables. I mean I have (or had) a better reputation than EZ - but then he does think everyone's "Big Time" :)

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Even Sterup - he's a wrestler. He's measured and weighed religiously. Kid has also taken unofficials to Nebraska. The data would not be that hard to track down.

 

 

Hey Willie, just pointing out that Sterup is a Basketball player for St. Cecilia in Hastings. Perhaps you meant Mike Shoff?

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okay guys i'm not super involved in this convo but seeing all the minus rating and back and forth is kinda weak...... we need to lighten up... remember you guys are fighting over so to speak over how much dudes weight and how tall they are!!!!

 

lets chill for a minute chuckleshuffle

 

The funny thing is, I've never touched a plus or minus post rating in any thread. Someone else must be disliking what is being posted though. :)

 

 

haha - we're actually arguing over a list I posted. A list that contained 10 players of similar height to Sterup that willie called BS because Rivals can't get anything (height/weight/rankings) correct. He took offense to the list because listing "players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem."

 

It's a classic example of taking something completely out of context. I was just saying he's not as huge of an outlier as one might think. I used Rival's data because that's pretty much all we have without putting way to much time into it. Not a big deal - throw a -1 on this post as well...one thing I do know as FACT is the "reputation" provided on this website is MUCH LESS accurate than Rival's measurables. I mean I have (or had) a better reputation than EZ - but then he does think everyone's "Big Time" :)

 

My OP directed at you was simply to point out that posting the heights/weights of those guys isn't a good foundation to show that being tall doesn't affect how you play.

 

Then you went off in a rant where you defended Rivals.

 

Then didn't.

 

Then did again.

 

What you intended to say, still confuses me.

 

 

 

Hey Willie, just pointing out that Sterup is a Basketball player for St. Cecilia in Hastings. Perhaps you meant Mike Shoff?

 

SMH @ myself.

 

You just wanted me to feel stupid, didn't you? :)

 

Now people can stop PM'ing me telling me I never admit when I am wrong. :lol:

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okay guys i'm not super involved in this convo but seeing all the minus rating and back and forth is kinda weak...... we need to lighten up... remember you guys are fighting over so to speak over how much dudes weight and how tall they are!!!!

 

lets chill for a minute chuckleshuffle

 

The funny thing is, I've never touched a plus or minus post rating in any thread. Someone else must be disliking what is being posted though. :)

 

 

haha - we're actually arguing over a list I posted. A list that contained 10 players of similar height to Sterup that willie called BS because Rivals can't get anything (height/weight/rankings) correct. He took offense to the list because listing "players that are tall, when they are all self-reported and in all likelihood very wrong, is not a legitimate argument to show that having extreme height (by football standards) is not a problem."

 

It's a classic example of taking something completely out of context. I was just saying he's not as huge of an outlier as one might think. I used Rival's data because that's pretty much all we have without putting way to much time into it. Not a big deal - throw a -1 on this post as well...one thing I do know as FACT is the "reputation" provided on this website is MUCH LESS accurate than Rival's measurables. I mean I have (or had) a better reputation than EZ - but then he does think everyone's "Big Time" :)

 

My OP directed at you was simply to point out that posting the heights/weights of those guys isn't a good foundation to show that being tall doesn't affect how you play.

 

Then you went off in a rant where you defended Rivals.

 

Then didn't.

 

Then did again.

 

What you intended to say, still confuses me.

 

 

 

Hey Willie, just pointing out that Sterup is a Basketball player for St. Cecilia in Hastings. Perhaps you meant Mike Shoff?

 

SMH @ myself.

 

You just wanted me to feel stupid, didn't you? :)

 

Now people can stop PM'ing me telling me I never admit when I am wrong. :lol:

 

When exactly did I say that Rivals innacurately reported the height/weight of the 10 players I listed? Since that's what we are discussing...I must have missed it.

 

And I don't think irie was accusing you of -1'ing me, but considering you were the only one reading the topic while I was posting those - and I got both -1 shortly after, we probably all just assumed. Must be all those ninja anon peeps.

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I'm guessing the fact that he's a 2-sport athlete is going to hurt him a little. If he was 100% football he'd be coming in around 290-300 by now. If he got on the NU roster he'll break 310 by his sophmore year.

 

Here's a few recent OL recruits to take note of...

 

Seantrel Henderson 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (USC)

Damien Robinson 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Mississippi St.)

Matt James 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Notre Dame)

Brice Schwab 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona St.)

Trent Spurgeon 6'8" :star :star :star :star (Arizona)

Bobby Massie 6'8" :star :star :star :star :star (Mississippi)

Matt Hall 6' 10" :star :star :star :star (Arkansas)

Dann O'Neill 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Michigan)

Art Forst 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Rutgers)

Ken Plue 6' 8" :star :star :star :star (Purdue)

 

...most hover around 300-320, but a few of these guys wer 270-285. He's not as outside the norm as one might think.

 

High school reported heights and weights are as reliable as a Dollar Tree sports watch. That is why I keep mentioning that if Sterup's height is accurate, because these guys almost always embellish. This is why coaches always measure height/weight for these kids as the first thing they do when they come on visits.

 

There were a couple of kids who came up for January visits right when Bo was scrambling to fill out the class when he was originally hired. Bo watched tapes of the two kids, liked their videos. Bo knew the coach and took his word on their height/weight when he asked them to come up for a visit. We had every intention to take both of the kids. We got them up here, measured them out and both were WAY under their listed height/weight. Bo flipped his lid over getting lied to so badly about that.

 

I remember Joe Ganz being one of the best. Joe self-reported he was 6'3, nearly 6'4 coming out of HS. Joe was barely 6'0 tall. :)

 

Jesse Coffey was another. Guy is tall, but self-reported 6'7 290 out of HS when he was nowhere near that. Did not matter to anyone, because all the S&C guys knew they could put weight on him to make him into a B12 lineman.

 

Kids and coaches do it just to do it sometimes. Other times, it's used to give kids a better 'look' to college coaches. Either way, all these numbers, including 40 times, are never reliable and should always be taken with a grain of salt.

 

And am I missing in your OP where you said that using height/weight to "simply point out that posting the heights/weights of those guys isn't a good foundation to show that being tall doesn't affect how you play." Because no where in your OP did you mention that - you just said Rivals heights and weights were BS. At least that's all I got out of your rant. The "not a good foundation" thing didn't come until the last line of your rainbow post. And I never said it was a good foundation - I just said that if we are worried about his height - it's not that far out of the norm because other guys have been recruited and highly sought after that were tall as well. I never posted any opinion on his skill, or recuitability. Just provided some data for other people to form an opinion of. You are the one claiming I was using it as a foundation to judge his tallent. I don't see that, but you read between the lines way better than I do obviously.

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Hey Willie, just pointing out that Sterup is a Basketball player for St. Cecilia in Hastings. Perhaps you meant Mike Shoff?

 

SMH @ myself.

 

You just wanted me to feel stupid, didn't you? :)

 

Now people can stop PM'ing me telling me I never admit when I am wrong. :lol:

 

:lol:

 

It's cool, Willie. Been there, done that.

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I guess it's what the coaches like for size. If you look at the offers this year on the O line 3 6/5 1 6/7 1 6/3 1 6/4 1 6/2.5 that's scouts offer list. On the D line 3 6/5 3 6/4 2 6/3. I'm sure if Zach has what it takes he will get his offer from the huskers.

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As far as playing two sports goes I can't see it. B-Ball and football overlap. Also, if you're training/building your body optimally to play O-line you're taking some away from your ability to play b-ball, and vice-versa. Maybe he could come in as a sub and bang away at the opposition for a few minutes each half but I can't see more than that.

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As far as playing two sports goes I can't see it. B-Ball and football overlap. Also, if you're training/building your body optimally to play O-line you're taking some away from your ability to play b-ball, and vice-versa. Maybe he could come in as a sub and bang away at the opposition for a few minutes each half but I can't see more than that.

There are a few examples I can think of:

- Julius Peppers played in the Final Four for North Carolina. He quit his senior year to focus on football, but was an important part of one of the best teams in the country for a couple of years.

- Charlie Ward did the same thing, won the MNC, and then ended up in the NBA.

 

I guess the question will be if he actually has the talent (and desire) to do it. For the best athletes it is certainly possible.

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As far as playing two sports goes I can't see it. B-Ball and football overlap. Also, if you're training/building your body optimally to play O-line you're taking some away from your ability to play b-ball, and vice-versa. Maybe he could come in as a sub and bang away at the opposition for a few minutes each half but I can't see more than that.

There are a few examples I can think of:

- Julius Peppers played in the Final Four for North Carolina. He quit his senior year to focus on football, but was an important part of one of the best teams in the country for a couple of years.

- Charlie Ward did the same thing, won the MNC, and then ended up in the NBA.

 

I guess the question will be if he actually has the talent (and desire) to do it. For the best athletes it is certainly possible.

 

yeah, but neither of those examples played on the offensive line. julius peppers is a pass rusher and ward was a QB, not some freakin huge O-line guy

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As far as playing two sports goes I can't see it. B-Ball and football overlap. Also, if you're training/building your body optimally to play O-line you're taking some away from your ability to play b-ball, and vice-versa. Maybe he could come in as a sub and bang away at the opposition for a few minutes each half but I can't see more than that.

There are a few examples I can think of:

- Julius Peppers played in the Final Four for North Carolina. He quit his senior year to focus on football, but was an important part of one of the best teams in the country for a couple of years.

- Charlie Ward did the same thing, won the MNC, and then ended up in the NBA.

 

I guess the question will be if he actually has the talent (and desire) to do it. For the best athletes it is certainly possible.

 

yeah, but neither of those examples played on the offensive line. julius peppers is a pass rusher and ward was a QB, not some freakin huge O-line guy

 

Exactly! The way college o-linemen have to fill out their frames and get so big to clog up the line would make it really tough to play college hoops. An offensive tackle in football morphing into a big banger forward in basketball would be super tough. He would have to put one of these sports on the backburner. What's he better at? Anybody know? PPG in basketball would suffice.

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I have watched this kid play basketball. He has very good foot work and would be a great recruit for the football team. He did not impress me enough to say that he would help out our basketball team in the big 12. As for his height, I would say that 6'9 is pretty accurate (give or take an inch).

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I have watched this kid play basketball. He has very good foot work and would be a great recruit for the football team. He did not impress me enough to say that he would help out our basketball team in the big 12. As for his height, I would say that 6'9 is pretty accurate (give or take an inch).

 

watched the second half of the state title game and zach looked pretty well put together and i'd say that the 6'9'' is pretty accurate.

 

had good developement through the shoulders....sometimes with young men his size they dont have alot developement or are sloppy looking

but not with zach....it looks like he has spent time in the weight room.

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he said at the junior day that the coaches wanted him to put on some weight and come back and camp at NU this summer. they want to see how he moves with more weight on his frame.

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Given that he's borderline on growing out of football I think a wait-and-see attitude is good, especially since we already have three O-line commits. Hopefully he stops at 6'9" while putting on some quality lb's.

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If he plays basketball he can catch if he can catch size is a plus in football if a TE or WR. Our QBs if you noticed this year where off target more then on, therefore a 6ft 9 inch radius is good in that most of our QBs passes would be in the zone if they where throwing to Zach. :laughpound

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Just received an offer from Wisconsin on Monday night.

 

He also has offers from Iowa, Kansas and Ohio.

 

Plans to make a decision in the fall.

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If he grows out of football he'll just play for Bo Ryan and win games at UW in Basketball. Not a bad choice for him in my opinion. They play with low rated recruits every year and still make the dance every year.

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If he grows out of football he'll just play for Bo Ryan and win games at UW in Basketball. Not a bad choice for him in my opinion. They play with low rated recruits every year and still make the dance every year.

 

 

or can come over to hawaii and play.... seems like our new coach (and assisant) are in the habit of trying to take away some nebraska players......

:LOLtartar

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