Big 10 expansion talk heating up

[Nexus]

Probably, but it's no different for us. Since 2007 we've pulled in six 4* players from Texas. 3 of them didn't pan out or make it on campus (Whitmore, Castille, Williams) and one of them is a JUCO. The rest of our Texas roster is made up of 3* kids.

 

I'm guessing the majority of those Texas kids in the Big 10 are 3*.

 

You sure about this? I could swear CG and Burkhead were 4*s.

 

Look up their names here if you want...

 

Yes, CG & RB are already included in those 4* figures.

[jnkyrdoff6]

Probably, but it's no different for us. Since 2007 we've pulled in six 4* players from Texas. 3 of them didn't pan out or make it on campus (Whitmore, Castille, Williams) and one of them is a JUCO. The rest of our Texas roster is made up of 3* kids.

 

I'm guessing the majority of those Texas kids in the Big 10 are 3*.

 

You sure about this? I could swear CG and Burkhead were 4*s.

 

Look up their names here if you want...

 

Yes, CG & RB are already included in those 4* figures.

 

Sorry I misread it.

[Nexus]

Probably, but it's no different for us. Since 2007 we've pulled in six 4* players from Texas. 3 of them didn't pan out or make it on campus (Whitmore, Castille, Williams) and one of them is a JUCO. The rest of our Texas roster is made up of 3* kids.

 

I'm guessing the majority of those Texas kids in the Big 10 are 3*.

 

You sure about this? I could swear CG and Burkhead were 4*s.

 

Look up their names here if you want...

 

Yes, CG & RB are already included in those 4* figures.

 

Sorry I misread it.

 

[GSG]

FWIW:

 

The Big 10 is 28-41 in bowl games since 2000 with 2 winning bowl seasons and 1 .500 bowl season. That's 40.58% in winning. 1 MNC in 3 appearances.

 

The Big 12 is only 39-38 in the same time with 5 winning bowl seasons and 1 .500 bowl season. That's 50.65% winning. 2 MNCs in 7 appearances.

[NoKoolAidForME]

FWIW:

 

The Big 10 is 28-41 in bowl games since 2000 with 2 winning bowl seasons and 1 .500 bowl season. That's 40.58% in winning. 1 MNC in 3 appearances.

 

The Big 12 is only 39-38 in the same time with 5 winning bowl seasons and 1 .500 bowl season. That's 50.65% winning. 2 MNCs in 7 appearances.

The one thing I would want to know with those stats is the competition that both conferences are playing. (BCS game, Alamo Bowl even head to head) Just looking the the title game played 4 to 8 I would venture to say the competition in those games were higher than the GMAC bowl that either conference might have been playing in.

[GSG]

The Big 10 has made 21 BCS Bowl appearances, 9 of which were at large bids. Their record is 10-11. Ohio St 5-3; Michigan 1-3; Illinois 0-2; Iowa 1-1; Penn St 1-1; Wisconsin 2-0; Purdue 0-1.

 

The Big 12 has made 17 BCS Bowl appearances, 5 of which were at large bids. Their record is 7-10. OU 2-5; Texas 3-1; Nebraska 1-1; KU 1-0; CU 0-1; KSUcks 0-1; aTm 0-1.

 

The Big 12 and Big 10 are tied 2-2 in BCS Bowl games.

[GSG]

Big 10 Bowl Games by Year

 

2009

 

Champs Sports Bowl - Wisconsin 20, Miami 14

Insight Bowl - Iowa State 14, Minnesota 13

Outback Bowl - Auburn 38, Northwestern 35 (OT)

Capital One - Penn State 19, LSU 17

Rose Bowl - Ohio State 26, Oregon 17

Alamo Bowl - Texas Tech 41, Michigan State 31

Orange Bowl - Iowa 24, Georgia Tech 14

 

2008

 

Insight Bowl - Kansas 42, Minnesota 21

Champs Sports Bowl - Florida State 42, Wisconsin 13

Alamo Bowl - Missouri 30, Northwestern 23 (OT)

Outback Bowl - Iowa 31, South Carolina 10

Capital One - Georgia 24, Michigan State 12

Fiesta Bowl - Texas 24, Ohio State 21

Rose Bowl - USC 38, Penn State 24

 

2007

 

Motor City Bowl - Purdue 51, Central Michigan 48

Champs Sports Bowl - Boston College 24, Michigan State 21

Alamo Bowl - Penn State 24, Texas A&M 17

Insight Bowl - Oklahoma State 49, Indiana 33

Outback Bowl - Tennessee 21, Wiconsin 17

Capital One Bowl - Michigan 41, Florida 35

Rose Bowl - USC 49, Illinois 17

BCS National Championship LSU 38, Ohio State 24

 

2006

 

Insight Bowl - Texas Tech 44, Minnesota 41(OT)

Champs Sports Bowl - Maryland 24, Purdue 7

Alamo Bowl - Texas 26, Iowa 24

Outback Bowl - Penn State 20, Tenneessee 10

Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin 17, Arkansas 14

Rose Bowl - USC 32, Michigan 18

BCS National Championship - Florida 41, Ohio State 14

 

2005

 

Alamo Bowl - Nebraska 32, Michigan 28

Music City Bowl - Virginia 34, Minnesota 31

Sun Bowl - UCLA 50, Northwestern 38

Outback Bowl - Florida 31, Iowa 24

Capital One Bowl - Wisconsin 24, Auburn 10

Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State 34, Notre Dame 20

Orange Bowl - Penn State 26, Florida State 23 (OT)

 

2004

 

Alamo - Ohio St 33, Okie St 7

Music City - Minn 20, Bama 16

Sun - Ariz St 27, Purdue 23

Outback - Georgia 24, Wisc 21

Capital One - Iowa 30, LSU 25

Rose - Texas 38, Michigan 37

 

2003

 

Motor City - Bowling Green 28, N'western 24

Alamo - Nebraska 17, MSU 3

Music City - Auburn 28, Wisc 14

Sun - Minn 31, Oregon 30

Outback - Iowa 37, Florida 17

Capital One - Georgia 34, Purdue 27 (OT)

Rose - USC 28, Michigan 14

Fiesta - Ohio St 35, KSUcks 28

 

2002

 

Alamo - Wisc 31, Colorado 28

Music City - Minn 29, Arkansas 14

Sun - Purdue 34, Washington 24

Outback - Michigan 38, Florida 30

Citrus - Auburn 13, Penn St 9

Orange - USC 38, Iowa 17

Fiesta - Ohio St 31, Miami 24 (OT)

 

2001

 

Alamo - Iowa 19, Tx Tech 16

Sun - Wash St 33, Purdue 27

Silicon Valley - Mich St 44, Fresno St 35

Outback - South Carolina 31, Ohio St 28

Citrus - Tenn 45, Michigan 17

Sugar - LSU 47, Illinois 34

 

2000

 

Alamo - Nebraska 66, N'western 17

Sun - Wisc 21, UCLA 20

MicronPC.com - NC St 38, Minn 30

Outback - South Carolina 24, Ohio St 7

Citrus - Michigan 31, Auburn 28

Rose - Washington 34, Purdue 24

 

You're on your own for the Big 12 bowl games

[GSG]

Ok, I lied...

 

Big 12 Bowl Records by Team since 2000

 

Colorado

 

2001 Fiesta - Oregon L 16-38

2002 Alamo - Wisconsin (N)(OT) L 28-31

2004 Houston - Texas-El Paso W 33-28

2005 Champs Sports - Clemson L 10-19

2007 Independence - Alabama L 24-30

 

Iowa St

 

2000 Insight.com Bowl - Pittsburgh 37-29 Win

2001 Independence Bowl - Alabama 13-14 Loss

2002 Humanitarian Bowl - Boise State 34-16 Loss

2004 Independence Bowl - Miami, Ohio 17-13 Win

2005 Houston Bowl - TCU 24-27 Loss

2009 Insight Bowl - Minnesota 14-13 Win

 

Kansas

 

2003 Mazda Tangerine Bowl - NC State L 56-26

2005 Fort Worth Bowl - Houston W 42-13

2007 FedEx Orange Bowl - Virginia Tech W 24-21

2008 Insight Bowl - Minnesota W 42-21

 

Kansas St

 

2000 W Cotton Bowl - Tennessee 35 - 21

2001 L Insight.com Bowl - Syracuse 26 - 3

2002 W Holiday Bowl - Aizona State 34 - 27

2003 L Fiesta Bowl - Ohio State 35 - 28

2006 L Texas Bowl - Rutgers 37 - 10

 

Missouri

 

2003 Independence Bowl - Arkansas L 14-27

2005 Independence Bowl - South Carolina W 38-31

2006 Sun Bowl - Oregon St L 38-39

2008 Cotton Bowl - Arkansas W 38-7

2008 Alamo Bowl - Northwestern W 30-23 (OT)

2009 Texas Bowl - Navy L 13-35

 

Nebraska

 

2000 Alamo - Nebraska 66 Northwestern 17

2001 Rose - Miami 37 Nebraska 14

2002 Independence - Mississippi 27 Nebraska 23

2003 Alamo - Nebraska 17 Michigan State 3

2005 Alamo - Nebraska 32 Michigan 28

2006 Cotton - Auburn 17 Nebraska 14

2008 Gator - Nebraska 26 Clemson 21

2009 Holiday - Nebraska 33 Arizona 0

 

Baylor

 

No bowls since 1994

 

Oklahoma

 

2009 Sun Bowl W Oklahoma 31, Stanford 27

2008 BCS Championship L Florida 24, Oklahoma 14

2007 Fiesta Bowl L West Virginia 48, Oklahoma 28

2006 Fiesta Bowl L Boise State 43, Oklahoma 42 (OT)

2005 Holiday Bowl W Oklahoma 17, Oregon 14

2004 Orange Bowl L USC 55, Oklahoma 19

2003 Sugar Bowl L LSU 21, Oklahoma 14

2002 Rose Bowl W Oklahoma 34, Washington State 14 8

2001 Cotton Bowl W Oklahoma 10, Arkansas 3 Dallas,

2000 Orange Bowl W Oklahoma 13, Florida State 2

 

 

Oklahoma St

 

2002 — Houston Bowl vs. Southern Miss 33-23 (W)

2003 — Cotton Bowl Classic vs. Ole Miss 28-31 (L)

2004 — Alamo Bowl vs. Ohio State 7-33 (L)

2006 — Independence Bowl vs. Alabama 34-31 (W)

2007 — Insight Bowl vs. Indiana 49-33 (W)

2008 — Holiday Bowl vs. Oregon 31-42 (L)

2009 — Cotton Bowl vs. Ole Miss 21-7 (L)

 

Texas

 

2009 BCS Champ - Alabama L, 37-21

2008 Fiesta - Ohio St W, 24-21

2007 Holiday - Arizona State W, 52-34

2006 Alamo - Iowa W, 26-24

2005 Rose - Southern California W, 41-38

2004 Rose - Michigan W, 38-37

2003 Holiday - Washington State L, 28-20

2002 Cotton - LSU W, 35-20

2001 Holiday - Washington W, 47-43

2000 Holiday - Oregon L, 35-30

 

 

Texas A&M

 

2000 Independence Bowl - Mississippi State 43 Texas A&M 41 (OT)

2001 Galleryfurniture.com Bowl - Texas A&M 28 TCU 9

2005 Cotton Bowl Classic - Tennessee 38 Texas A&M 7

2006 Holiday Bowl - Cal 45 Texas A&M 10

2007 Alamo Bowl - Penn State 24 Texas A&M 17

2009 Independence Bowl - Georgia 44 Texas A&M 20

 

Texas Tech

 

2009 ALAMO BOWL - Texas Tech 41, Michigan St 31

2008 COTTON BOWL - Mississippi 47, Texas Tech 34

2007 GATOR BOWL - Texas Tech 31, Virginia 28

2006 INSIGHT BOWL - Texas Tech 44, Minnesota 41 (OT)

2005 COTTON BOWL - Alabama 13, Texas Tech 10

2004 HOLIDAY BOWL - Texas Tech 45, California 31

2003 HOUSTON BOWL - Texas Tech 38, Navy 14

2002 TANGERINE BOWL - Texas Tech 55, Clemson 15

2001 ALAMO BOWL - Iowa 19, Texas Tech 16

2000 GALLERYFURNITURE.COM BOWL - East Carolina 40, Texas Tech 27

[Nexus]

GSG, your efforts rewarded. +1

[GSG]

GSG, your efforts rewarded. +1

 

Thanks bro!

 

I don't know why I did the Big 10 by year and the Big 12 by team though.

[kansas husker]

Great work GSG, seems like a lateral move competition wise. If the money is beter with equal competition it seems foolish to not make the move, granted we're given the chance.

[VA Husker Fan]

Great work GSG, seems like a lateral move competition wise. If the money is beter with equal competition it seems foolish to not make the move, granted we're given the chance.

I think the Big 12 is clearly better right now. But ...

 

If you took Nebraska out of the Big 12 and moved it to the Big 10, would the Big 10 be the better conference? Maybe. Very possibly in fact.

[wojo9457]

To get away from the mess Texas is making would be good for us. But one negative thing I see from all of this is that the regular husker fan will not travel as well as we have in the past. Obviously we are currently surrounded by fellow teams we play in the conference. But being in the Big 10 and having to travel to Michigan, Ohio St, or Penn St to play a game makes for a long weekend if you're not flying. Not to mention the travel cost.

 

But if moving to the Big 10 could make us one of the kings of that conference, then I'm all for it. I just won't be traveling as much.

[Huskertone14]

I don't see why the Big XII is not being very proactive at this point. They need to come up with a TV contract and once they do that it would be a lot easier to lure other programs to the conference and have it's own expansion instead of falling behind the other conferences.

 

Arkansas: would be a great candidate. They fit in really well regionally. As long as the Big 12 had a TV contract there is no way they would turn it down. It just makes a lot of sense to me.

 

TCU: I know a lot of people say they don't want another Texas team in the Big 12 but lets face it TCU has earned a spot in a BCS conference. People are worried about having another team fighting over Texas recruits, but I still think that there will always be Texas kids that want to go to Nebraska, and besides that Nebraska recruits Nationally we don't get all our recruits from Texas.

 

Iowa: This would be a very tough program to lure into the Big 12, but Iowa vs. Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas has to appeal to Iowa. The Big 12 needs to make a strong push for this program, and it has the potential to be a great rivalry with Nebraska.

 

Colorado State: Would join the Conference tomorrow if offered. If Colorado sticks around then we should bring in CSU.

 

I think TCU and CSU would be very easy to bring into the Conference, and if the Big XII were able to get the TV contract with the revenue sharing that is comparable to the SEC and Big 10 I believe Arkansas would be on board as well. They need to convince Iowa some how some way, and this conference could not only top the Big Ten after it's expansion, but also the SEC.

[Caven]

I don't see why the Big XII is not being very proactive at this point. They need to come up with a TV contract and once they do that it would be a lot easier to lure other programs to the conference and have it's own expansion instead of falling behind the other conferences.

 

Arkansas: would be a great candidate. They fit in really well regionally. As long as the Big 12 had a TV contract there is no way they would turn it down. It just makes a lot of sense to me.

 

TCU: I know a lot of people say they don't want another Texas team in the Big 12 but lets face it TCU has earned a spot in a BCS conference. People are worried about having another team fighting over Texas recruits, but I still think that there will always be Texas kids that want to go to Nebraska, and besides that Nebraska recruits Nationally we don't get all our recruits from Texas.

 

Iowa: This would be a very tough program to lure into the Big 12, but Iowa vs. Nebraska, Missouri, Oklahoma, Texas has to appeal to Iowa. The Big 12 needs to make a strong push for this program, and it has the potential to be a great rivalry with Nebraska.

 

Colorado State: Would join the Conference tomorrow if offered. If Colorado sticks around then we should bring in CSU.

 

I think TCU and CSU would be very easy to bring into the Conference, and if the Big XII were able to get the TV contract with the revenue sharing that is comparable to the SEC and Big 10 I believe Arkansas would be on board as well. They need to convince Iowa some how some way, and this conference could not only top the Big Ten after it's expansion, but also the SEC.

 

There is no way that Iowa would leave the Big 10 - the biggest being academic reasons. The problem with the Big 12 as far as TV contracts is the sheer lack of population in the Big 12 footprint. Add on to that the fact that Texas comprises half of the Big 12 population and that they just want to start their own Texas network rather than share their population base with the rest of the Big 12 and it just isn't possible. Even with Texas on board for a B12 network now it would be too little too late. TCU and CSU could be added to the B12 in a heartbeat - but that still doesn't help the population problem as neither adds anything new in that respect.