The "Suuuuuuuuuuh" Thread

[knapplc]

...Same can be said about Nebraska fans. Just like someone pointed out if Suh had played at Texas you guys would be ready to crucify the guy.

 

We're both passionate about our teams.

 

Naw. Packers fans extra suck. In my ompletely objective opinion.

[Excel]

...Same can be said about Nebraska fans. Just like someone pointed out if Suh had played at Texas you guys would be ready to crucify the guy.

 

We're both passionate about our teams.

 

Naw. Packers fans extra suck. In my ompletely objective opinion.

Man...so much about you make sense now...

[BIGREDFAN_in_OMAHA]

Hopefully he uses these two weeks off to get his head on straight.

[huskerfan333157]

I don't get where people are seeing Suh "leaning" on Dietrich-Smith. He repeatedly pushed his head into the ground.

 

I read an article on ESPN I think saying that Dietrich-Smith wasn't letting go of Suh and was in fact pulling him towards the ground. If Suh was trying to get his balance while getting pulled down, it only looked like he was pushing Dietrich-Smith's head into the ground.

 

Any fan (especially any Badger fan) that comes on here acting as if the Packers were completely innocent in this situation is either completely naive or they're worse homers than any of the Nebraska fans in this thread. The Packers O-Line was baiting Suh all game long - they even said as much after the game. And point, Packers - they got him to commit the foul, and even got him kicked out of the game for taking the bait - but stop with all this high-and-mighty "That's not the way the game is meant to be played" BS.

Who came on here saying the Packers were completely innocent? Not I said this fan...and for the record being a UW and a GB fan are not the same thing. I know plenty of people that are one and not the other.

 

Oh one last thing, the Packers may not have been completely innocent but there wasn't a holding penalty was there? The Packers are one of the least penalized teams in the NFL, we play some of the cleanest and most respectable football around. Suh and Detroit? meh not so much.

 

Even if Dietrich was holding Suh explain to me how that is an even halfway reasonable response. It isn't, and his post game comment just proves he has piss poor character. Suspend him.

 

 

...and "Only looked like he was pusing Dietrich's head" God, so much in this thread.

 

I thought you knew your stuff and were actually an objective fan but this post proves the opposite. How about Suh and Best buying jersey's, helmets, shoes etc for a high school team that was too poor to afford them? How about the money he gave to the university of Nebraska? How about how he stayed his final year of college because he actually valued education? Yeah, that proves he has a "piss poor" attitude. You were probably part of the green bay fanbase that called the Lion's pansies for how many years but now they are "dirty?" What he did was wrong and im not condoning it, but didnt charles woodson punch someone this year? You obviously hate suh and have some objectivity involved. Was it because he hurt rodgers when the lions beat the GB last year? Also, explain how "the lions are a dirty team?" Your offensive lineman was holding Suh after the whistle blew by the way, he had a reason to be upset but he went way too overboard and needs to keep his emotions in check!

[Cactusboy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZMdfrc-6U8

 

 

 

This should end it....Look at 1:26, I defended Suh until this different angle came out. He clearly stomped on the guys arm. This may have been a "dirty play". Suh however is not a dirty player. He will defiantly get suspended. 3 games minimum. FWIW.

 

 

 

WRONG. Maybe he meant to TRY to kick him...only he can know that. But evidence/video shows he made little to not contact. So it's factually wrong to say he "stomped on the guys arm".

What Suh for sure is guilty of is being a dumbass for even creating the possibility for this misinterpretation.

So what are you trying to argue? That Suh had no intention of hitting Dietrich-Smith with his kick?

 

 

Only Suh can know that. All we know is that he didn't. However no one in the media ever mentions this fact. They act as if he made solid, damaging contact and this creates a false image and an unwarranted LEVEL of outrage...which I'm sure/had to influence the discipline from the NFL. They caved to the pressure...a cowardly move.

 

Same thing happened when Artest was suspended an entire season in the NBA. He didn't even attempt a swing or anything to any fan or player...he just ran into the stands to confront whoever threw something at him. He should have only received a couple games suspension but got an entire season because the NBA were cowards too.

[Cactusboy]

Lost his temper. Acted like a child. Cost his team a touchdown. Brought the heat upon himself and needs to face up to it.

 

 

 

 

 

Agreed on all of this. I don't think anyone is saying different. However what you say above shouldn't and has never warranted a suspension. Just looking for a little perspective and rational thought.

 

If you agree with this, you should stop trying to excuse his behavior with a really, really shaky argument.

 

Even in real-time, that play looked like the kinda thing that gets players less controversial than Suh suspended.

 

I'm calling his behavior what is was and not hyping it up into something it's not. He should get a punishment that fits the crime and not based on hype.

[Excel]

I don't get where people are seeing Suh "leaning" on Dietrich-Smith. He repeatedly pushed his head into the ground.

 

I read an article on ESPN I think saying that Dietrich-Smith wasn't letting go of Suh and was in fact pulling him towards the ground. If Suh was trying to get his balance while getting pulled down, it only looked like he was pushing Dietrich-Smith's head into the ground.

 

Any fan (especially any Badger fan) that comes on here acting as if the Packers were completely innocent in this situation is either completely naive or they're worse homers than any of the Nebraska fans in this thread. The Packers O-Line was baiting Suh all game long - they even said as much after the game. And point, Packers - they got him to commit the foul, and even got him kicked out of the game for taking the bait - but stop with all this high-and-mighty "That's not the way the game is meant to be played" BS.

Who came on here saying the Packers were completely innocent? Not I said this fan...and for the record being a UW and a GB fan are not the same thing. I know plenty of people that are one and not the other.

 

Oh one last thing, the Packers may not have been completely innocent but there wasn't a holding penalty was there? The Packers are one of the least penalized teams in the NFL, we play some of the cleanest and most respectable football around. Suh and Detroit? meh not so much.

 

Even if Dietrich was holding Suh explain to me how that is an even halfway reasonable response. It isn't, and his post game comment just proves he has piss poor character. Suspend him.

 

 

...and "Only looked like he was pusing Dietrich's head" God, so much in this thread.

 

I thought you knew your stuff and were actually an objective fan but this post proves the opposite. How about Suh and Best buying jersey's, helmets, shoes etc for a high school team that was too poor to afford them? How about the money he gave to the university of Nebraska? How about how he stayed his final year of college because he actually valued education? Yeah, that proves he has a "piss poor" attitude. You were probably part of the green bay fanbase that called the Lion's pansies for how many years but now they are "dirty?" What he did was wrong and im not condoning it, but didnt charles woodson punch someone this year? You obviously hate suh and have some objectivity involved. Was it because he hurt rodgers when the lions beat the GB last year? Also, explain how "the lions are a dirty team?" Your offensive lineman was holding Suh after the whistle blew by the way, he had a reason to be upset but he went way too overboard and needs to keep his emotions in check!

How you made the leap from that which I posted to this is beyond me. I made other posts that were probably better to quote if you're going to make a rant like this but yea...I'm not even going to really answer this. Also...good job bringing up a nearly week old post from several pages back...

[Cactusboy]

1 - Suh apologized for letting his team down...he didn't admit to trying to hurt the guy. "apologize for letting my teammates down".

 

2 - I still say he didn't try to stop on his arm w/ any force. THE GUY DIDN'T EVEN FLINCH WHY WON'T ANYONE EVER MENTION THIS HUUUUUUGE FACT??????? If he would put ANY meaningful pressure on his arm w/ that stomp he would made some sort of painful reaction. HE MADE NONE and when he got up he didn't even look at his arm. So how can you not conclude that the only bad thing about the stomp is what it appeared to look like on the surface....and it's all just knee jerk reactions.

 

Am I missing something here? No one made a single comment on this the first time I mentioned it. How can something so obvious to me not get a mention from any NU fans let alone the media... 310 lb man stomps on a guys arm w/ cleats and the guys doesn't even clinch...either Bruce Willis isn't the only "unbreakable" out there...or the stomp is a nonstory.

His "apology" was embarrassing, as well as cringe-worthy. The best thing he could've done was own up to his actions right away. He did not. That's what people are jumping on him for.

 

And as for your second point: the stomp is OK because he didn't hurt the guy? Frankly, that's bullsh#t.

 

 

well you just proved yourself to be 100% not objective. You didn't address anything I said directly but instead spun it and put words in my mouth. It's because he may not have TRIED to hurt the guy. Same as if you purposely miss when you swing a punch in to the air to release frustration/energy.

 

Green Bay fans are rarely objective, ive come to learn that.

 

I actually like the Packers. Wanted them to win the SB last year. I'd buy some gear if it wasn't so damn ugly w/ the john deere colors.

 

I think it's cool how the team is owned by the public and donates all the concession profits to charity and other cool things that comes w/ this type of ownership. (no I'm not saying all should be like this...but it is a cool/unique story)

[Excel]

See Cactus is on to something there. I don't care who you are, if you are a fan of football at any level you must have some amount of respect for the Packers. You don't have to like them but you must respect them.

[Ratt Mhule]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZMdfrc-6U8

 

 

 

This should end it....Look at 1:26, I defended Suh until this different angle came out. He clearly stomped on the guys arm. This may have been a "dirty play". Suh however is not a dirty player. He will defiantly get suspended. 3 games minimum. FWIW.

 

 

 

WRONG. Maybe he meant to TRY to kick him...only he can know that. But evidence/video shows he made little to not contact. So it's factually wrong to say he "stomped on the guys arm".

What Suh for sure is guilty of is being a dumbass for even creating the possibility for this misinterpretation.

So what are you trying to argue? That Suh had no intention of hitting Dietrich-Smith with his kick?

 

 

Only Suh can know that. All we know is that he didn't. However no one in the media ever mentions this fact. They act as if he made solid, damaging contact and this creates a false image and an unwarranted LEVEL of outrage...which I'm sure/had to influence the discipline from the NFL. They caved to the pressure...a cowardly move.

 

Same thing happened when Artest was suspended an entire season in the NBA. He didn't even attempt a swing or anything to any fan or player...he just ran into the stands to confront whoever threw something at him. He should have only received a couple games suspension but got an entire season because the NBA were cowards too.

 

You have absolutely no idea what your talking about, do you?

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsSjwBcjFlM

[knapplc]

Also...good job bringing up a nearly week old post from several pages back...

I've always found that odd, too. It's days old. The conversation has moved on. Even if you're the kind of person who only has a few minutes to spend in the forum here and there, dredging up a post from pages back in the thread is kinda weird.

 

See Cactus is on to something there. I don't care who you are, if you are a fan of football at any level you must have some amount of respect for the Packers. You don't have to like them but you must respect them.

 

I respect the Packers. They're a division rival to my Bears, but I've never disliked them. I give Packers fans grief because it's kind of a constitutional obligation for this division, same as giving ViQueens fans grief and Lions fans grief - although over the last decade or so I've mostly pitied Lions fans.

 

I don't have any animosity towards the Packers. They're (mostly) all that is good and right with professional football. They just happen to be the wrong team for me. After they beat the Bears last year, I rooted for the Pack in the Super Bowl. In general I hope the whole Norris division does well, but of course I want the Bears to win.

[carlfense]

For some perspective, here is what the 'victim' of Suh's stomping had to say about the whole ordeal: http://www.nfl.com/n...rs-unacceptable

 

In 2006, Albert Haynesworth, then with the Tennessee Titans, was suspended five games after swiping his cleats across the head of helmetless Dallas center Andre Gurode. Suh's stomp wasn't toward Dietrich-Smith's head, and the Green Bay playerdidn't seem too much worse for wear.

When asked afterward where Suh stepped on him, Dietrich-Smith sounded like he didn't want to stir the pot.

"I have no idea," he said. "I have to watch the tape."

 

The guy didn't even know where he had been stepped on!! C'mon! If Suh had really wanted to hurt this player he could've done so. I refuse to think this is nothing more than Suh was frustrated and stomped his foot. The GB player just happened to be under it. Now if I had seen Suh look right down at this player then stomp away THEN I would agree with others. I also enjoyed what the Jets coach had to say about the ordeal:

 

New York Jets coach Rex Ryan came up with one tongue-in-cheek solution Friday.

"I'll be honest with you, I think the young man, he should be released ... and come to the Jets," Ryan joked. "I'm just throwing that out there. I don't think he's that good of a player. I don't know about the incident and all that jazz, but we'll take him. We'll sacrifice that way."

Ryan then turned a little more serious. "I don't even know what to say on it," Ryan said."You've seen things like that happen on the field before. It's an emotional game."

Whoa. Really?

 

I'm long past the denial stage with Suh. The man needs some help.

I think he needs mentoring on how to play the 'NFL Game'. I'm sorry but I've seen plenty of NFL players do things to other players and not even get a flag thrown. The NFL and the media have Suh's number. There's no denying that. I mean, come on!! The guy couldn't even tell he was stepped on! This is the NFL not wussy backyard football. What would've happened if someone had stepped on Suh? I can bet you there would've been NO flag. Denial says that the event didin't happen-it did. Did he throw a fit, yep. Does he need help in getting his crap together/surpressing his temper on the field-yep But to say that I'm in denial because I don't believe that Suh maliciously hurt a player-sorry I don't buy that and neither should you.

I believe my own eyes. The play was dead. I will put up with a lot of crap before the whistle. Several of Suh's so called dirty hits were not worthy of that title, in my opinion. This one was worthy of an ejection/suspension.

 

This one cannot be argued. He tried to stomp on an opposing OL players arm long after the play was dead. If this was in court it'd be a slam dunk case. Intent can be inferred from conduct. That conduct was there.

 

If there is doubt in your mind about this you are not thinking rationally about the situation.

 

Edit: Regarding the bold, have you seen plenty of NFL players try to stomp on another player's arm after the play was dead and not get a flag thrown? Seriously. Step back and look at this without the Nebraska goggles on.

[ladyhawke]

For some perspective, here is what the 'victim' of Suh's stomping had to say about the whole ordeal: http://www.nfl.com/n...rs-unacceptable

 

In 2006, Albert Haynesworth, then with the Tennessee Titans, was suspended five games after swiping his cleats across the head of helmetless Dallas center Andre Gurode. Suh's stomp wasn't toward Dietrich-Smith's head, and the Green Bay playerdidn't seem too much worse for wear.

When asked afterward where Suh stepped on him, Dietrich-Smith sounded like he didn't want to stir the pot.

"I have no idea," he said. "I have to watch the tape."

 

The guy didn't even know where he had been stepped on!! C'mon! If Suh had really wanted to hurt this player he could've done so. I refuse to think this is nothing more than Suh was frustrated and stomped his foot. The GB player just happened to be under it. Now if I had seen Suh look right down at this player then stomp away THEN I would agree with others. I also enjoyed what the Jets coach had to say about the ordeal:

 

New York Jets coach Rex Ryan came up with one tongue-in-cheek solution Friday.

"I'll be honest with you, I think the young man, he should be released ... and come to the Jets," Ryan joked. "I'm just throwing that out there. I don't think he's that good of a player. I don't know about the incident and all that jazz, but we'll take him. We'll sacrifice that way."

Ryan then turned a little more serious. "I don't even know what to say on it," Ryan said."You've seen things like that happen on the field before. It's an emotional game."

Whoa. Really?

 

I'm long past the denial stage with Suh. The man needs some help.

I think he needs mentoring on how to play the 'NFL Game'. I'm sorry but I've seen plenty of NFL players do things to other players and not even get a flag thrown. The NFL and the media have Suh's number. There's no denying that. I mean, come on!! The guy couldn't even tell he was stepped on! This is the NFL not wussy backyard football. What would've happened if someone had stepped on Suh? I can bet you there would've been NO flag. Denial says that the event didin't happen-it did. Did he throw a fit, yep. Does he need help in getting his crap together/surpressing his temper on the field-yep But to say that I'm in denial because I don't believe that Suh maliciously hurt a player-sorry I don't buy that and neither should you.

I believe my own eyes. The play was dead. I will put up with a lot of crap before the whistle. Several of Suh's so called dirty hits were not worthy of that title, in my opinion. This one was worthy of an ejection/suspension.

 

This one cannot be argued. He tried to stomp on an opposing OL players arm long after the play was dead. If this was in court it'd be a slam dunk case. Intent can be inferred from conduct. That conduct was there.

 

If there is doubt in your mind about this you are not thinking rationally about the situation.

 

Edit: Regarding the bold, have you seen plenty of NFL players try to stomp on another player's arm after the play was dead and not get a flag thrown? Seriously. Step back and look at this without the Nebraska goggles on.

I think I would've thought the way that you do, i.e. he intentionally stomped on a player's arm, pushed his head into the ground, etc. had the player from the other team indicated he was hurt. He didn't! In fact, when asked about it he said he would have to look at the tape! Sorry, what I fault Suh for and what is going to continually get him into trouble is being inconsistent in how he speaks to the media. If he would've helped that guy up (because we all saw what he did) and IMMEDIATELY apologized to that player along with apologizing to his coach/team/fans then it wouldn't have been so bad. However, after listening to Kugler on 1620 the Zone yesterday (I only saw the play-didn't hear what he said after wards except what I read on Facebook later) I'm sad because Suh lied. That's not his MO at least not while he was here at Nebraska. It makes me sad. He has the opportunity to be a true role model to so many kids. BUT! I don't think that he's so far gone that he's past redemption. I agree with what Mike & Mike said on their show yesterday (I think it was yesterday) He has the potential to impact this sport. I'm just praying that someone stronger than he (not physically) and more mature than he will come alongside him and teach him all there is to know about the ins and outs of pro football. I love it that Suh went here and played ball for us. But I am also concerned for the young man that he will become.

Question: What else do you want from him? He's going to be suspended and has to pay a fine. What else does he have to do to redeem himself not only for you but for all the other NU fans who agree with you on this point? What I hope to see is that he gets some help, which he needs, in controlling his frustrations on field and gets help in understanding all aspects of the game. Someone somewhere told him to get out there and tackle the hell out of the competition and he has been doing that. Well, that's obviously not right. So someone needs to teach him the correct way to do all of that. Considering he's only been in the NFL for 2 years I am hoping that he can come back from all of this and emerge as a great NFL player.

[nebraskaart]

[knapplc]

Edit ^^^^ that's funny.

 

 

Question: What else do you want from him?

 

 

I want a fist bump.