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Player Joseph Carter

Hometown Aiken, SC

JUCO Chaffey CC

Position DE

Weight 255

Heght 6'5"

 

NR no stars

 

Scholarships: soft verbal Arizona, Nebraska

 

**Thought I'd start this since we are already talking about him**

 

He seems interested.

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Player Joseph Carter

Hometown Aiken, SC

JUCO Chaffey CC

Position DE

Weight 255

Heght 6'5"

 

NR no stars

 

Scholarships: soft verbal Arizona, Nebraska

 

**Thought I'd start this since we are already talking about him**

 

He seems interested.

 

 

i think he is a 5.6

:star :star :star

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Stafford says that he'll get Carter here.. :)

I see this as a very good thing. It'll address some of our D-line depth issues immediately, assuming Carter is decent enough to contribute early... which he should be. If you go back through Bo's three recruiting classes, he's been dead on for almost every single JUCO commit he's gone after. All of them... Gomes, David, Hardrick, Kinnie, Ricky Henry... They've all come in and been major contributors or even stars right away. SJB should contribute next year as well, from what we're hearing. The two whiffs have been Tyson Hetzler, who bailed, and Chase Harper, who never made it. Harper would've contributed had he made it, and Hetzler was really a holdover from Callahan's 2009 class that Bo probably felt obligated to take, regardless of his feelings on the kid's skills.

 

So basically, if we stay away from TE's in the JUCO ranks, whoever we get is money :). Obviously, it's not that easy... it might just be due to blind luck... But you've got to feel Bo knows how to pick out solid JUCO kids, as well as recruits in general. Here's a bombshell I'll gladly take credit for:

 

Bo Pelini's recruiting > Bill Callahan's recruiting

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looking on rivals it says he is now a soft verbal to arizona

 

and is listed as 'high' on nebraska... i think its only a matter of time before this guy committs.......

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looking on rivals it says he is now a soft verbal to arizona

 

and is listed as 'high' on nebraska... i think its only a matter of time before this guy committs.......

If Staff says he's gonna get Carter here, Irie, I say we believe the kid. That'd be a solid move on his part... gotta like a kid stepping up and actually recruiting another. Especially Carter... dude's got a good frame already. Built enough to come in and help right away, especially when someones as developed as he is already gets into the NU weight room. Most high school DEs come in way underweight, just as a natural result of not being done filling out yet. This guy's got a shorter road to being D1 ready. And it sure would be nice to get a JUCO DE after missing out on the last one we recruited... Hint hint, plays for the Giants now. Woulda been nice to get that one.

 

Also, having Damion say that should put to rest any concerns regarding the status of his commitment. Since he actually DID make it here and said that, I feel at ease about him.

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Also, having Damion say that should put to rest any concerns regarding the status of his commitment. Since he actually DID make it here and said that, I feel at ease about him.

 

 

this is the main thing i take from it

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

i'd have to agree w/ you here. we need a DE recruit or two, but not a JUCO when our next 3 years looks fairly stocked - unless, as you say the younger guys are not fullfilling expectations yet. Meredith was hobbled for the better part of the Colorado game and Ankarah didn't even get a tackle. He's played in 9 games w/ only 1 tackle on the season. Williams is behind Allen, and has played in all 12 games. He's the one who's job a JUCO would probably impact most.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

it may mean the redshirts aren't ready yet, but it's hard to expect a freshman to be physically ready to go on the DL. i'd say it is a much bigger comment on the current back-ups - williams and ankrah. if this carter kid is good enough that the coaches project him being able to at least compete for a starting spot, then sign him up.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

Aren't you kind of answering your own question? We have 3 upper classman who are every down DE's and one who projects as a pass rush specialist. All the others are RS freshman. There is little to no depth, unless you are really expecting one of the freshman to step up. Adding a JUCO with some experience adds to that depth and gives us an extra body to rotate.

 

Tobi was small when he came in and Vestal projected more as a DT. That leaves Ashburn to go along with Ankrah, Williams and Meredith. Moving to the Big Ten, we should see a lot more down hill running and will need to rotate DL more.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

 

I think it is just a matter of the staff finding someone who can contribute immediately, and with this staff's record when it comes to finding JUCO talent that is enough for me.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

 

I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

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I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

 

which of our DE's do you think can play linebacker?

 

in any case, i think this idea that we have to make significant changes to our defensive style to match up with the behemoths of the north continues to be way overblown.

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I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

 

which of our DE's do you think can play linebacker?

 

in any case, i think this idea that we have to make significant changes to our defensive style to match up with the behemoths of the north continues to be way overblown.

 

Kevin Thompsen can play linebacker (he actually was one before we switched to a more nickel based defense) and Walker Ashburn is 6'2, about 240 and runs about a 4.8 40 and would be a solid linebacker as well. Cam Meredith also definitely can but I doubt we move him and he's a bit big for the position though he can stand up in certain situations and play a hybrid 3-4 role. We've got a bunch of ends that are sub 250 and others that are in the 265 range. It isn't like we can't move guys around to fit what we want to do against different teams.

 

Now, Yes some of the stuff out there is overblown.. The Peso WILL work in the Big Ten. Ohio State has adapted some of our stuff in what they call a star defense package and it works well against certain teams... But again, using the Peso or not using the Peso as a base defense has just as much if not more to do with the personnel we have on hand as it does with the teams we face and depending on what the coaches see the young guys doing is what is driving the decisions they make both in recruiting and in defensive style. Of course we aren't going to abandon the peso defense and make our guys look like our 2007 squad of fat mountains of slowness, but I think that we'll still use the Peso heavily against teams like Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue... but it isn't inconceivable at all to see more 3 linebacker sets with more bulked up guys against teams like Wisconsin and sometimes against teams like Iowa and Michigan State.

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I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

 

which of our DE's do you think can play linebacker?

 

in any case, i think this idea that we have to make significant changes to our defensive style to match up with the behemoths of the north continues to be way overblown.

 

Kevin Thompsen can play linebacker (he actually was one before we switched to a more nickel based defense) and Walker Ashburn is 6'2, about 240 and runs about a 4.8 40 and would be a solid linebacker as well. Cam Meredith also definitely can but I doubt we move him and he's a bit big for the position though he can stand up in certain situations and play a hybrid 3-4 role. We've got a bunch of ends that are sub 250 and others that are in the 265 range. It isn't like we can't move guys around to fit what we want to do against different teams.

 

Now, Yes some of the stuff out there is overblown.. The Peso WILL work in the Big Ten. Ohio State has adapted some of our stuff in what they call a star defense package and it works well against certain teams... But again, using the Peso or not using the Peso as a base defense has just as much if not more to do with the personnel we have on hand as it does with the teams we face and depending on what the coaches see the young guys doing is what is driving the decisions they make both in recruiting and in defensive style. Of course we aren't going to abandon the peso defense and make our guys look like our 2007 squad of fat mountains of slowness, but I think that we'll still use the Peso heavily against teams like Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue... but it isn't inconceivable at all to see more 3 linebacker sets with more bulked up guys against teams like Wisconsin and sometimes against teams like Iowa and Michigan State.

Considering the versatility of Hagg was one of the main reasons for the Peso, his absense might negate it's effectiveness. I don't see another talent quite like him on the roster at this point. There's nothing wrong w/ going back to a more traditional set to utilize sean fisher, williams, and david more. I see our talent shifting more towards the linebackers next year, whereas this year it is a glaring weakness. our pass defense last year was aided by our pass rush. This years pass rush has been aided by our pass coverage. next year I see us shifting to a more traditional approach, with a quicker pass rush to help out are pass defense again. I like the defenses ability to compensate for weakness.

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A bit of the subject, but here are my thoughts on a peso scheme in the Big Ten.

 

Eric Hagg this year was a guy who was great in coverage and could also help a lot in run support, but make no mistakes his strengths were in coverage.

 

Lavonte David could possibly switch to the peso and here is why. In the Big Ten you see some spread offenses, but you see a big more run heavy teams than you do in the Big Twelve. So David is a guy who's strengths are in run support, but he can also help out a lot in coverage. For example, I don't think David would have too much trouble covering a 5th WR in the Big Ten. This would free him up to just fly around wherever and make plays, which is pretty much exactly what he does now. So we still are in a peso, but just modified to the styles of offense that the other teams play.

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To add something else, there is only one DE we have on the roster that I could see at LB and that is Eric Martin. We will not shove any DE back to LB. I would not trust a single one of them back there.

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A bit of the subject, but here are my thoughts on a peso scheme in the Big Ten.

 

Eric Hagg this year was a guy who was great in coverage and could also help a lot in run support, but make no mistakes his strengths were in coverage.

 

Lavonte David could possibly switch to the peso and here is why. In the Big Ten you see some spread offenses, but you see a big more run heavy teams than you do in the Big Twelve. So David is a guy who's strengths are in run support, but he can also help out a lot in coverage. For example, I don't think David would have too much trouble covering a 5th WR in the Big Ten. This would free him up to just fly around wherever and make plays, which is pretty much exactly what he does now. So we still are in a peso, but just modified to the styles of offense that the other teams play.

I believe when David signed there was some talk of him backing up Hagg at rover/peso. It takes a phenom to play the position and they both fit that bill.

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I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

 

which of our DE's do you think can play linebacker?

 

in any case, i think this idea that we have to make significant changes to our defensive style to match up with the behemoths of the north continues to be way overblown.

 

Kevin Thompsen can play linebacker (he actually was one before we switched to a more nickel based defense) and Walker Ashburn is 6'2, about 240 and runs about a 4.8 40 and would be a solid linebacker as well. Cam Meredith also definitely can but I doubt we move him and he's a bit big for the position though he can stand up in certain situations and play a hybrid 3-4 role. We've got a bunch of ends that are sub 250 and others that are in the 265 range. It isn't like we can't move guys around to fit what we want to do against different teams.

 

Now, Yes some of the stuff out there is overblown.. The Peso WILL work in the Big Ten. Ohio State has adapted some of our stuff in what they call a star defense package and it works well against certain teams... But again, using the Peso or not using the Peso as a base defense has just as much if not more to do with the personnel we have on hand as it does with the teams we face and depending on what the coaches see the young guys doing is what is driving the decisions they make both in recruiting and in defensive style. Of course we aren't going to abandon the peso defense and make our guys look like our 2007 squad of fat mountains of slowness, but I think that we'll still use the Peso heavily against teams like Michigan, Ohio State and Purdue... but it isn't inconceivable at all to see more 3 linebacker sets with more bulked up guys against teams like Wisconsin and sometimes against teams like Iowa and Michigan State.

 

i have no reason to believe that thomsen (or any of our other DE's) have the speed or ability to play LB at a high level.

 

i do agree with other posts here though that the peso package is dependent upon having someone with the talent to make it work. i've also posted previously that i would consider lavonte for the position if the other linebackers (specifically whaley or fisher) could replace him. peso truly is a linebacker position as it is. it is just that bo requires that OLB to have high level cover skills. supposedly, cassidy is slated to be the peso next year.

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John Talman had a teaser on Rivals tonight that Arizona and NU are the front runners. One place plays defense the other has nice weather in the winter.

 

Not a tough choice.

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snuck into a Scout chat and have decided their writers are absolutely clueless.. I knew they get news at about 5 days late, but this was just bad.. Not just Carter info, but they're saying our chances are 'very slim' .. :facepalm:

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Bo will doing an in-home visit soon, could be the deciding factor.

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In-home went well. Carter hosted both the AZ coaches and Bo on Monday. He will decide on signing day......sh*t.

 

This kid is a serious talent. Sounds like we are in a very good position but it really sucks that we have to wait until signing day. Also sucks for Lake as he is trying to figure out what to do as well.

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In-home went well. Carter hosted both the AZ coaches and Bo on Monday. He will decide on signing day......sh*t.

 

This kid is a serious talent. Sounds like we are in a very good position but it really sucks that we have to wait until signing day. Also sucks for Lake as he is trying to figure out what to do as well.

Agreed. It could be a case that we get neither because Lake goes elsewhere to ensure he has a spot and Carter goes to AZ. A dangerous game (recruiting not football)

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What is he again, 2 for 3?

Yeah he walked in the 9th after flying out to center in the seventh. Should bump up the ole batting average though.

 

Just kidding ya. You actually say the amount of years first then the amount of eligibility. So your question would be is "he a 3 for 2 guy."

 

However Carter graduated in 2008, and I believe he redshirted his first year of Chaffey. So I believe he is a 2 for 2 guy. Not a 100% on this one though.

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What is he again, 2 for 3?

Yeah he walked in the 9th after flying out to center in the seventh. Should bump up the ole batting average though.

 

Just kidding ya. You actually say the amount of years first then the amount of eligibility. So your question would be is "he a 3 for 2 guy."

 

However Carter graduated in 2008, and I believe he redshirted his first year of Chaffey. So I believe he is a 2 for 2 guy. Not a 100% on this one though.

Ya learn something everyday haha. Thanks

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I still don't understand how a JUCO can be a 2 for 2 guy. If he graduated in 08' and redshirted the 08' year then he would have been coming out of JUCO last year after 2 years in JUCO as a 3 for 3 guy. So did he spend 3 years in JUCO then or what?

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I still don't understand how a JUCO can be a 2 for 2 guy. If he graduated in 08' and redshirted the 08' year then he would have been coming out of JUCO last year after 2 years in JUCO as a 3 for 3 guy. So did he spend 3 years in JUCO then or what?

Not always the case. A lot of high profile JUCO'd will redshirt players. Also not every JUCO recruit meets his required grades in those two years. Maybe that is Carter's case, again not sure.

You have five years to complete your four years of eligibility in college. Under hard circumstances(major injury) the NCAA will grant a sixth year. So Joseph has completed three of his five year, and has only played two so hence he is a 2 for 2 guy.

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It is of the upmost importance to seal a commitment from Mr. Carter now that Lake decided to go to Oregon.

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Either Mr. Carter or Mr. Gonzales... Akeem is still set to visit.

I would much rather have Carter at this point, he is immediate help at a position of need.

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Either Mr. Carter or Mr. Gonzales... Akeem is still set to visit.

I would much rather have Carter at this point, he is immediate help at a position of need.

So are you saying that we are going to see a change in the most wanted with Carter in the place of Lake?

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Either Mr. Carter or Mr. Gonzales... Akeem is still set to visit.

I would much rather have Carter at this point, he is immediate help at a position of need.

So are you saying that we are going to see a change in the most wanted with Carter in the place of Lake?

 

Lake is gone. Committed to Oregon.

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Either Mr. Carter or Mr. Gonzales... Akeem is still set to visit.

I would much rather have Carter at this point, he is immediate help at a position of need.

So are you saying that we are going to see a change in the most wanted with Carter in the place of Lake?

Good point. :thumbs

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It is of the upmost importance to seal a commitment from Mr. Carter now that Lake decided to go to Oregon.

Oh come one aspeedlin, you know we both are holding out for Ray Drew to put all worries away and commit to the Huskers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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It is of the upmost importance to seal a commitment from Mr. Carter now that Lake decided to go to Oregon.

Oh come one aspeedlin, you know we both are holding out for Ray Drew to put all worries away and commit to the Huskers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

:sarcasm:sarcasm:sarcasm

:laughpound Paul, I think there is a better chance of you and me accepting an offer to play DE at Nebraska than Ray Drew coming here.

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It is of the upmost importance to seal a commitment from Mr. Carter now that Lake decided to go to Oregon.

Oh come one aspeedlin, you know we both are holding out for Ray Drew to put all worries away and commit to the Huskers

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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:laughpound Paul, I think there is a better chance of you and me accepting an offer to play DE at Nebraska than Ray Drew coming here.

Oh I would hope so man, considering my four years of college football eligibility was used up in the early 2000's. I just had to be that guy, because you know someone will sniff around the rivals site, see Drew isn't committed, see NU is a "finalist"(in which they are in no way) and want to know what the chances are NU can get him.

 

But come on, I believe the token response here is, So you're saying there's a chance? :sarcasm

 

And for those not really in the know reading this thread right now, NO there is not a chance for Ray Drew

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