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Player Joseph Carter

Hometown Aiken, SC

JUCO Chaffey CC

Position DE

Weight 255

Heght 6'5"

 

NR no stars

 

Scholarships: soft verbal Arizona, Nebraska

 

**Thought I'd start this since we are already talking about him**

 

He seems interested.

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Player Joseph Carter

Hometown Aiken, SC

JUCO Chaffey CC

Position DE

Weight 255

Heght 6'5"

 

NR no stars

 

Scholarships: soft verbal Arizona, Nebraska

 

**Thought I'd start this since we are already talking about him**

 

He seems interested.

 

 

i think he is a 5.6

:star :star :star

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Stafford says that he'll get Carter here.. :)

I see this as a very good thing. It'll address some of our D-line depth issues immediately, assuming Carter is decent enough to contribute early... which he should be. If you go back through Bo's three recruiting classes, he's been dead on for almost every single JUCO commit he's gone after. All of them... Gomes, David, Hardrick, Kinnie, Ricky Henry... They've all come in and been major contributors or even stars right away. SJB should contribute next year as well, from what we're hearing. The two whiffs have been Tyson Hetzler, who bailed, and Chase Harper, who never made it. Harper would've contributed had he made it, and Hetzler was really a holdover from Callahan's 2009 class that Bo probably felt obligated to take, regardless of his feelings on the kid's skills.

 

So basically, if we stay away from TE's in the JUCO ranks, whoever we get is money :). Obviously, it's not that easy... it might just be due to blind luck... But you've got to feel Bo knows how to pick out solid JUCO kids, as well as recruits in general. Here's a bombshell I'll gladly take credit for:

 

Bo Pelini's recruiting > Bill Callahan's recruiting

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looking on rivals it says he is now a soft verbal to arizona

 

and is listed as 'high' on nebraska... i think its only a matter of time before this guy committs.......

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looking on rivals it says he is now a soft verbal to arizona

 

and is listed as 'high' on nebraska... i think its only a matter of time before this guy committs.......

If Staff says he's gonna get Carter here, Irie, I say we believe the kid. That'd be a solid move on his part... gotta like a kid stepping up and actually recruiting another. Especially Carter... dude's got a good frame already. Built enough to come in and help right away, especially when someones as developed as he is already gets into the NU weight room. Most high school DEs come in way underweight, just as a natural result of not being done filling out yet. This guy's got a shorter road to being D1 ready. And it sure would be nice to get a JUCO DE after missing out on the last one we recruited... Hint hint, plays for the Giants now. Woulda been nice to get that one.

 

Also, having Damion say that should put to rest any concerns regarding the status of his commitment. Since he actually DID make it here and said that, I feel at ease about him.

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Also, having Damion say that should put to rest any concerns regarding the status of his commitment. Since he actually DID make it here and said that, I feel at ease about him.

 

 

this is the main thing i take from it

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

i'd have to agree w/ you here. we need a DE recruit or two, but not a JUCO when our next 3 years looks fairly stocked - unless, as you say the younger guys are not fullfilling expectations yet. Meredith was hobbled for the better part of the Colorado game and Ankarah didn't even get a tackle. He's played in 9 games w/ only 1 tackle on the season. Williams is behind Allen, and has played in all 12 games. He's the one who's job a JUCO would probably impact most.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

it may mean the redshirts aren't ready yet, but it's hard to expect a freshman to be physically ready to go on the DL. i'd say it is a much bigger comment on the current back-ups - williams and ankrah. if this carter kid is good enough that the coaches project him being able to at least compete for a starting spot, then sign him up.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

Aren't you kind of answering your own question? We have 3 upper classman who are every down DE's and one who projects as a pass rush specialist. All the others are RS freshman. There is little to no depth, unless you are really expecting one of the freshman to step up. Adding a JUCO with some experience adds to that depth and gives us an extra body to rotate.

 

Tobi was small when he came in and Vestal projected more as a DT. That leaves Ashburn to go along with Ankrah, Williams and Meredith. Moving to the Big Ten, we should see a lot more down hill running and will need to rotate DL more.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

 

I think it is just a matter of the staff finding someone who can contribute immediately, and with this staff's record when it comes to finding JUCO talent that is enough for me.

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One thing that going after a JUCO DE suggests is that the kids coming off of a redshirt year --- and the younger guys subbing now... are not the future --- or, at least, not the immediate future.

 

Walker Ashburn, Donovan Vestal, and Tobi Okiyemi all come off a redshirt year and will be freshman next season. We have three young DE's --- Jason Ankrah (a sophomore next year) and Josh Williams (a sophomore or junior next year... not sure which w/o looking it up) and the converted LB, Eric Martin (who will be a junior). So... with meredith having one position locked down (he will only be a junior next year).... we really have only one open DE position available and then the back-ups. That we have 6 scholarship guys for those positions --- all young (Ankrah, Williams, Martin, Ashburn, Okiyemi, and Vestal) would suggest we have no need for a DE at all... unless this crew of 6 are not where they need to be --- or not where they need to be yet.

 

Going for a JUCO if he were a 5 star rated top 5 in the Juco ranks would be one thing... but Carter is a 3 star guy not heavily recruited by others. Why go after such a guy when we have 6 youngsters available for 1 position ... unless there are indications that the younger guys are not looking so hot.

 

In any event... seeking after a JUCO at DE ... and, in particular, this DE...seems to suggest problems

 

Thoughts?

 

I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

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I actually think this speaks more about the back seven and the conference shift than it does about the line. If we have the personel to run the Peso and it works in the Big Ten great, but if not a guy like Carter in the mix would give us some extra flexibility to do some different things. We lose a TON of talent in the secondary after this year and depending on what the staff sees out of our secondary going forward and what they think will work best going into the Big Ten conference it's quite possible that a couple guys now listed as DE's could end up being linebackers next year. A JUCO guy gives us another body that is ready to play next year which could make a potential transition easier to make if one has to be made.

 

which of our DE's do you think can play linebacker?

 

in any case, i think this idea that we have to make significant changes to our defensive style to match up with the behemoths of the north continues to be way overblown.

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