Any Way PSU Game is Called?

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Just think of this. We squabble and bicker and fight each other about why we lost football games, if Bo should be fired or not, or how much playing time Brion Carnes should get, or why our defense is bad this year...

 

Can not imagine what those who support Penn State are going through.

 

It's like every 'scandal' we've had in the past 50 years all happening at once, x 100. I feel sorry for them. No matter what, the fans don't deserve this.

 

And while some of them may have been defined as "criminal", none of them carry such a negative connotation and response as child molestation.

[Hunter94]

no, but the program is going to suffer for this...........

[JJ Husker]

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems like some are overreacting here. Possibly cancelling games is absurd!

 

While horrible things happened, and I am in no way trying to undermine the atrocities that have been committed, why would any of the focus be on the football TEAM itself? Nothing done was an NCAA violation (assuming no ethical rules exist for loopholes) and that is all that matters on this. If PSU wanted to fire everyone involved, fine. If everyone involved was arrested and charged with a crime, fine.

It's like a fry cook getting a DUI and getting locked up(arbitrary example, NOT a direct comparison regarding severity). McDonalds is not going to stop making fries because the fry cook and is in jail because people are smart enough to differentiate the two. While people may not want to eat their fries after the incident it should have no bearing on those that are willing to stick it out and have kept their noses clean.

 

College football is a year-round effort of blood, sweat, and tears. To take that all away at this point is just cruel. The players have earned the right to finish.

I understand what you are saying but this situation is not that simple. The actions of Sandusky, while appalling and stomach turning, are no longer the real issue for Penn State football. The head coach, an assistant, the AD, and other(s) in the department knew about this and basically did nothing. The assistant who witnessed it and reported it to JoePa is still in the program. JoePa's story is disgusting-he told the AD and then forgot about it? WTF? I'm sorry but if you witness something like that and/or are made aware of it being committed by a direct employee, there is no way NO WAY you don't follow up and continue to give the perpetrator access. JoePa or the assistant not following up on this willful covering up and that is totally unacceptable. This scandal is so intertwined with what Penn State football is that I think it highly probable that they might cancel games and possibly season(s) going forward. And no it is not fair to the players, the fans, the PSU people who had no knowledge of this. Unfortunately innocent people will get caught up in the solution. It's a terrible situation and I feel horrible for those student athletes that will be impacted. I know, very well, a high school senior from my area that had signed a letter of intent to go to PSU nest year. No way he goes now but it is 100x worse for players that are already there. I'm not saying they should cancel the game this Saturday but it would not surprise me in the least. A self administered death penalty may be all that this program can do at this point.

[Paul in WI]

How many kids continued to get sodomized after the conscious decision by the staff to protect the Penn State "brand"? (What I'd also like to know is how you could possibly walk away from witnessing an adult sodomizing a child without giving him a bat to the temple first?)

 

How many of you would report that to your boss and then do nothing more? We're wayyyyyyyyyyy beyond NCAA violations here. How many things could possibly be worse than that? Those sick SOB's protected a pedophile rather than have a black mark on their program. The guy still had a locker and office on campus forgodsakes! If there's ever a reason to give a program the death penalty, this is it. Nuke their program and prosecute all those involved to the fullest extent of the law. Draw the friggen line. If not here, where?

[JJ Husker]

Just think of this. We squabble and bicker and fight each other about why we lost football games, if Bo should be fired or not, or how much playing time Brion Carnes should get, or why our defense is bad this year...

 

Can not imagine what those who support Penn State are going through.

 

It's like every 'scandal' we've had in the past 50 years all happening at once, x 100. I feel sorry for them. No matter what, the fans don't deserve this.

 

And while some of them may have been defined as "criminal", none of them carry such a negative connotation and response as child molestation.

Child molestation is one of the worst, if not the worst thing a person can do. But, witnessing it, not stopping it, and going about your business like nothing is wrong, is even worse in my opinion. That is what appears to have happened as pertains to JoePa and the assistant coach. What kind of human being simply reports that kind of thing up the chain? I've got no words for it.

[sd'sker]

I doubt they cancel games but at any rate, this is just awful.

 

Does the NCAA get involved at any point?

i'm wondering the same thing. i imagine, and hope, this is pretty unprecedented. but you would think the ncaa could get involved if they wanted to.

[junior4949]

I don't follow things nearly as closely as some/a lot of you do. From what little I've heard, JoePa learned of an indiscretion back in like 2002 and turned it into the powers that be. He's not being sought after criminally in any way. I don't believe any of his current staff is either. If this is correct, what kind of message would it really send by cancelling the game? Why punish the innocent? Those directly involved have stepped down and are not directly involved any longer. I see no reason to cancel the game.

[Joe_5700]

"Joseph Vincent Paterno: Educator, Coach, Humanitarian."

 

"They ask me what I'd like written about me when I'm gone. I hope they write I made Penn State a better place, not just that I was a good football coach."

 

Paterno's quotes on the wall behind that statue. Hypocrite.

 

I'm not ready to throw Paterno under the bus on this. I don't know the guy, but I have a hard time thinking he's the type of person who could know about something as sick as what Sandusky did, not go public with it, and actually be able to live with himself. I'd like to think very, very few people are that type of person.

 

If the reports are true, Paterno did know. He told his boss about it but never told the police. That's what a lot of people are so upset about.

 

Then who is really at fault here? Paterno, or his boss? Paterno himself said that the facts presented to the grand jury were not of the same detail that were told to him by the grad assistant. I really think blame is being placed on the wrong guy.

[Mike Mcdee]

I don't follow things nearly as closely as some/a lot of you do. From what little I've heard, JoePa learned of an indiscretion back in like 2002 and turned it into the powers that be. He's not being sought after criminally in any way. I don't believe any of his current staff is either. If this is correct, what kind of message would it really send by cancelling the game? Why punish the innocent? Those directly involved have stepped down and are not directly involved any longer. I see no reason to cancel the game.

 

It wasn't little and couldn't be described as an indiscretion. I don't think this should cancel the game but to play down JoePa's involvment is truly burrying your head in the sand. He knew what was going on and did nothing to stop it. Authorities should have been involved. How many other victims were created because no one stepped in to truly put a stop to it?

[huskerscott]

I thought I read where Sandusky was forced to resign 1999 because he was spending too much time with his youth program.

 

Regardless of what happens to JoePa in the next few days. There will be a game played on Saturday. The university owes it to those football seniors that worked there asses for 4-5 years to let them run out of tunnel and onto Beaver Stadium on Saturday.

[GMoose]

That testimony PDF was absolutely disturbing. Oh my lord.

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[HuskerTrucker]

WHY would they cancel the game? No players or current coaches are indicted are they? And if they were they would be suspended, and the game would go on anyway. The suggestion that they need to cancel the game sounds to me like the OP might be hoping they do because he don't believe we can win on the field. Why else would anyone suggest they cancel a football game for something totally unrelated to the current program?

[GSG]

That testimony PDF was absolutely disturbing. Oh my lord.

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http://www.attorneygeneral.gov/uploadedFiles/Press/Sandusky-Grand-Jury-Presentment.pdf

[GMoose]

That testimony PDF was absolutely disturbing. Oh my lord.

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http://www.attorneyg...Presentment.pdf

My god.

[NoKoolAidForME]

Maybe I'm crazy but it seems like some are overreacting here. Possibly cancelling games is absurd!

 

While horrible things happened, and I am in no way trying to undermine the atrocities that have been committed, why would any of the focus be on the football TEAM itself? Nothing done was an NCAA violation (assuming no ethical rules exist for loopholes) and that is all that matters on this. If PSU wanted to fire everyone involved, fine. If everyone involved was arrested and charged with a crime, fine.

It's like a fry cook getting a DUI and getting locked up(arbitrary example, NOT a direct comparison regarding severity). McDonalds is not going to stop making fries because the fry cook and is in jail because people are smart enough to differentiate the two. While people may not want to eat their fries after the incident it should have no bearing on those that are willing to stick it out and have kept their noses clean.

 

College football is a year-round effort of blood, sweat, and tears. To take that all away at this point is just cruel. The players have earned the right to finish.

While we are in the world of fantasy here is my example for you to compare. Lets say a fry cook using the McDonald facilities started cooking drugs after hours at McDonalds. One day he was walked in on by the burger condiment application specialist while he was in the process of cooking a new batch of drugs. Now the specialist tells his shift manager, who tells the store manager, who tells the regional manager, who calls the police and not happens. A week later the fry is back at his after hour hobby cooking drugs. What recourse does the specialist have. If I were the specialist I could ask my shift manager why is the fry cook still here, please show me where in the McDonalds handbook that is ok to use the facilities for the purpose of cooking drugs. If the Manager says nothing I would them go to my regional and or just go to the cops.

 

Where the arrest could start coming is if say the cops come and ask do you know if there are drugs being cooked in this Mcdonalds by the fry cook. If the specialist says no, the manager says no, the regional manager says no and it found out that the specialist reported it and it went up the chain they would all face prosecution.

 

Now I know that Joe Pa has not been proven to say he was unaware of the assaults but the GA came to him and told him. This went all the way up the chain to the higher ups on campus. In the position that all of these people are in as paid state officials how could they just wash there hands of this just because they told someone else. There doesnt appear to be any follow up or questioning of why Sandusky was still on campus at all. Further more on campus still with kids.