The Elizabeth Warren thread

[Sub-Husker]

By the way, In my opinion Obamacare is unconstitutional because it infringes on the rights of the states.

 

I like what my state is doing, and I wish it was moving along faster.

[Yossarian]

By the way, In my opinion Obamacare is unconstitutional because it infringes on the rights of the states.

 

I like what my state is doing, and I wish it was moving along faster.

 

We are in agreement on that.

[Calla]

I wouldn't say Warren is a Socialist (part of the Socialist Party) but she leans more that way than towards Capitalism.

[johnnyrodgers20]

I like Ron Paul because of his consistent integrity and his most of his foreign policy...however this is the type of thing where he loses me. Because EW wants public roads, schools, fired dept, police, etc he says she's a socialist. By that logic the majority of Americans are socialists....and if that's the case shouldn't our system be socialism? =P Of course not, because he's wrong in saying she's a socialists...just because you want SOME things to be ran by the govt doesn't mean you want EVERYTHING ran by the govt.

 

It starts around the 4:50 mark...

 

 

EW - "nobody in this country who got rich on his own." "You built a factory out there -- good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory,"

 

 

Terry Moran asked Paul why Warren was wrong.

 

"Because she's a socialist," Paul replied. "She wants the government to do all this."

 

"Educating children is socialism?" Moran wondered.

 

"That is a socialist idea, that it should be collective," Paul explained. "I preach home schooling, and private schooling and competition in schools. But what she forgets -- she's right. You know, by the use of force, the government comes with a gun and they take money and they build a highway that, incidentally, you can use because you don't have any other choices."

 

"So in Ron Paul's ideal America, there would be no public highways, no public education?" Moran pressed. "There'd be no public air traffic control system? There'd be no public protection for workers in coal mines?"

 

"That's an overstatement because it might be a lot better," Paul said. "I think France has a private air traffic controllers."

 

The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads. We do at least inmy town we have local govt fixing our roads. Local and state pay the lion's share of public education also. At the height of the fed contributuions it was only 35- 40% Now I believe it under 25% and falling like a stone.

 

Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about? The only thing I can think that is in any way linked to the fed is maybe their pension plans. Even then I know the municipalities in our area pay 1/3, the state pays 1/3 and the employee pays 1/3. so where is she getting this "we all pay for" comment?

[Cactusboy]

I like Ron Paul because of his consistent integrity and his most of his foreign policy...however this is the type of thing where he loses me. Because EW wants public roads, schools, fired dept, police, etc he says she's a socialist. By that logic the majority of Americans are socialists....and if that's the case shouldn't our system be socialism? =P Of course not, because he's wrong in saying she's a socialists...just because you want SOME things to be ran by the govt doesn't mean you want EVERYTHING ran by the govt.

 

It starts around the 4:50 mark...

 

 

EW - "nobody in this country who got rich on his own." "You built a factory out there -- good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory,"

 

 

Terry Moran asked Paul why Warren was wrong.

 

"Because she's a socialist," Paul replied. "She wants the government to do all this."

 

"Educating children is socialism?" Moran wondered.

 

"That is a socialist idea, that it should be collective," Paul explained. "I preach home schooling, and private schooling and competition in schools. But what she forgets -- she's right. You know, by the use of force, the government comes with a gun and they take money and they build a highway that, incidentally, you can use because you don't have any other choices."

 

"So in Ron Paul's ideal America, there would be no public highways, no public education?" Moran pressed. "There'd be no public air traffic control system? There'd be no public protection for workers in coal mines?"

 

"That's an overstatement because it might be a lot better," Paul said. "I think France has a private air traffic controllers."

 

The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads. We do at least inmy town we have local govt fixing our roads. Local and state pay the lion's share of public education also. At the height of the fed contributuions it was only 35- 40% Now I believe it under 25% and falling like a stone.

 

Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about? The only thing I can think that is in any way linked to the fed is maybe their pension plans. Even then I know the municipalities in our area pay 1/3, the state pays 1/3 and the employee pays 1/3. so where is she getting this "we all pay for" comment?

 

I don't see that she ever specified fed or local govt. Do you?

[VectorVictor]

I like Ron Paul because of his consistent integrity and his most of his foreign policy...however this is the type of thing where he loses me. Because EW wants public roads, schools, fired dept, police, etc he says she's a socialist. By that logic the majority of Americans are socialists....and if that's the case shouldn't our system be socialism? =P Of course not, because he's wrong in saying she's a socialists...just because you want SOME things to be ran by the govt doesn't mean you want EVERYTHING ran by the govt.

 

It starts around the 4:50 mark...

 

 

EW - "nobody in this country who got rich on his own." "You built a factory out there -- good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory,"

 

 

Terry Moran asked Paul why Warren was wrong.

 

"Because she's a socialist," Paul replied. "She wants the government to do all this."

 

"Educating children is socialism?" Moran wondered.

 

"That is a socialist idea, that it should be collective," Paul explained. "I preach home schooling, and private schooling and competition in schools. But what she forgets -- she's right. You know, by the use of force, the government comes with a gun and they take money and they build a highway that, incidentally, you can use because you don't have any other choices."

 

"So in Ron Paul's ideal America, there would be no public highways, no public education?" Moran pressed. "There'd be no public air traffic control system? There'd be no public protection for workers in coal mines?"

 

"That's an overstatement because it might be a lot better," Paul said. "I think France has a private air traffic controllers."

 

The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads. We do at least inmy town we have local govt fixing our roads. Local and state pay the lion's share of public education also. At the height of the fed contributuions it was only 35- 40% Now I believe it under 25% and falling like a stone.

 

Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about? The only thing I can think that is in any way linked to the fed is maybe their pension plans. Even then I know the municipalities in our area pay 1/3, the state pays 1/3 and the employee pays 1/3. so where is she getting this "we all pay for" comment?

 

I don't see that she ever specified fed or local govt. Do you?

 

It's a moot point if she mentioned federal or state government, as JohnnyRodgers20 is wrong on this.

 

Federal funds have been provided to the states for decades, ever since the Interstate system was introduced. In order to get states to up the drinking age to 21, funds were tied in with that requirement, which is why certain states (*ahem* Louisiana) were and still are behind in road repair (some of their roads make Hwy 77 from the KS/NE border to Wymore/Blue Springs look like smooth asphalt). There are other restrictions, but much of the money that comes to states to repair roads comes from the Federal government.

 

Federal funds have also been provided to states and municipalities ever since there was a federal government to defray the costs of emergency workers and police. The city I live in is routinely applying for and receiving Federal grant money to improve police and fire fighter services. Typically, these grants come with strings (e.g. specialized equipment that the county, state, and Federal governments can call up if necessary), but they are there, and just about all of your larger city, county, and state governments gladly take this money and use it to supplement their law enforcement and emergency services budgets.

 

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And Commish, there's a substantial difference between intellectual foundation and intellectual property. Words have meanings, which is why it's sad that folks like to regurgitate throw words like 'Socialist' around without actually understanding what they're saying.

[johnnyrodgers20]

I like Ron Paul because of his consistent integrity and his most of his foreign policy...however this is the type of thing where he loses me. Because EW wants public roads, schools, fired dept, police, etc he says she's a socialist. By that logic the majority of Americans are socialists....and if that's the case shouldn't our system be socialism? =P Of course not, because he's wrong in saying she's a socialists...just because you want SOME things to be ran by the govt doesn't mean you want EVERYTHING ran by the govt.

 

It starts around the 4:50 mark...

 

 

EW - "nobody in this country who got rich on his own." "You built a factory out there -- good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory,"

 

 

Terry Moran asked Paul why Warren was wrong.

 

"Because she's a socialist," Paul replied. "She wants the government to do all this."

 

"Educating children is socialism?" Moran wondered.

 

"That is a socialist idea, that it should be collective," Paul explained. "I preach home schooling, and private schooling and competition in schools. But what she forgets -- she's right. You know, by the use of force, the government comes with a gun and they take money and they build a highway that, incidentally, you can use because you don't have any other choices."

 

"So in Ron Paul's ideal America, there would be no public highways, no public education?" Moran pressed. "There'd be no public air traffic control system? There'd be no public protection for workers in coal mines?"

 

"That's an overstatement because it might be a lot better," Paul said. "I think France has a private air traffic controllers."

 

The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads. We do at least inmy town we have local govt fixing our roads. Local and state pay the lion's share of public education also. At the height of the fed contributuions it was only 35- 40% Now I believe it under 25% and falling like a stone.

 

Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about? The only thing I can think that is in any way linked to the fed is maybe their pension plans. Even then I know the municipalities in our area pay 1/3, the state pays 1/3 and the employee pays 1/3. so where is she getting this "we all pay for" comment?

 

I don't see that she ever specified fed or local govt. Do you?

 

It's a moot point if she mentioned federal or state government, as JohnnyRodgers20 is wrong on this.

 

Federal funds have been provided to the states for decades, ever since the Interstate system was introduced. In order to get states to up the drinking age to 21, funds were tied in with that requirement, which is why certain states (*ahem* Louisiana) were and still are behind in road repair (some of their roads make Hwy 77 from the KS/NE border to Wymore/Blue Springs look like smooth asphalt). There are other restrictions, but much of the money that comes to states to repair roads comes from the Federal government.

 

Federal funds have also been provided to states and municipalities ever since there was a federal government to defray the costs of emergency workers and police. The city I live in is routinely applying for and receiving Federal grant money to improve police and fire fighter services. Typically, these grants come with strings (e.g. specialized equipment that the county, state, and Federal governments can call up if necessary), but they are there, and just about all of your larger city, county, and state governments gladly take this money and use it to supplement their law enforcement and emergency services budgets.

 

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

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And Commish, there's a substantial difference between intellectual foundation and intellectual property. Words have meanings, which is why it's sad that folks like to regurgitate throw words like 'Socialist' around without actually understanding what they're saying.

 

She definitely would like mor etaxes that is one thing that is for sure!!

[VectorVictor]

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

Apparently you didn't read the post. The federal government does provide money for the local roads you drive on and the local emergency and law enforcement services you enjoy today.

 

Many of the country roads, bridges, and city streets have been put in place with federal money. Hell--I would hope you've been to Nebraska--the WPA roads that are still in place today in many of the smaller NE cities were built with federal funds. Federal money has been appropriated for all level of road projects--federal, state, county, and city, and will continue to happen, regardless of your level of comprehension and understanding.

 

And the two best things that could fiscally happen for this country are that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Hell, inaction on extending the Bush Tax Cuts would, at current spending levels, return us to having a surplus by 2014--that's how damaging and short-sighted these tax cuts are.

[johnnyrodgers20]

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

Apparently you didn't read the post. The federal government does provide money for the local roads you drive on and the local emergency and law enforcement services you enjoy today.

 

Many of the country roads, bridges, and city streets have been put in place with federal money. Hell--I would hope you've been to Nebraska--the WPA roads that are still in place today in many of the smaller NE cities were built with federal funds. Federal money has been appropriated for all level of road projects--federal, state, county, and city, and will continue to happen, regardless of your level of comprehension and understanding.

 

And the two best things that could fiscally happen for this country are that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Hell, inaction on extending the Bush Tax Cuts would, at current spending levels, return us to having a surplus by 2014--that's how damaging and short-sighted these tax cuts are.

and where do you get this information from. Most localities around here repair local streets. Show me some proof where the fed comes in. And Teachers, police and firefighters get paid by the local municipality & state around here. They may get some grants but that isn't paying their salaries on a consistent basis. And they sure as heck don't put any money into their pension plans that are choking small towns and cities.

[VectorVictor]

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

Apparently you didn't read the post. The federal government does provide money for the local roads you drive on and the local emergency and law enforcement services you enjoy today.

 

Many of the country roads, bridges, and city streets have been put in place with federal money. Hell--I would hope you've been to Nebraska--the WPA roads that are still in place today in many of the smaller NE cities were built with federal funds. Federal money has been appropriated for all level of road projects--federal, state, county, and city, and will continue to happen, regardless of your level of comprehension and understanding.

 

And the two best things that could fiscally happen for this country are that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Hell, inaction on extending the Bush Tax Cuts would, at current spending levels, return us to having a surplus by 2014--that's how damaging and short-sighted these tax cuts are.

and where do you get this information from. Most localities around here repair local streets. Show me some proof where the fed comes in. And Teachers, police and firefighters get paid by the local municipality & state around here. They may get some grants but that isn't paying their salaries on a consistent basis. And they sure as heck don't put any money into their pension plans that are choking small towns and cities.

 

Seriously--are you perhaps one of the most successful derp-trolls this side of the internet?

 

http://www.nola.com/..._more_reco.html

 

http://www.cityofsha...CurrentProjects

 

http://timesfreepres...oney-build-bik/

 

http://www.heraldnew...ighway-projects

 

http://www.wickedloc...s#axzz1dKYhVPrO

 

http://hamptonroads....ing-out-schools

 

http://www.economist.com/node/18620944

 

http://canton-mi.pat...t-federal-money

 

http://www.kcet.org/...-the-river.html

 

The federal money the state, county, and city/municipal districts get is, many times, either the bulk or the entirety of the funds being used for the projects.

 

Just because the check for these workers comes from a local entity, that doesn't mean that's where the money for the project comes from--that's the type of linear, simplistic thought process that is holding us back as a nation.

 

Your comment was "The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads." That is wrong, as they do, sometimes lock, stock, and barrel even.

 

You stated "Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about?" The federal government routinely provides money by way of project grants to hire additional officers, or to help cities maintain current staffing levels. The City of Dallas, as a case-in-point, required federal money to maintain their staffing levels.

 

And I've worked at and helped elected officials at the city level, both pre- and post-election--while the majority of money comes from local sources, the majority of cities in the United States would fold up and declare bankruptcy if they lose their state and federal funds. States would fold up if they lost their federal funds.

 

There are many nuanced strata to federal, state, and city/municipal budgets--it's never linear or simple, much to the chagrin of those that want it to be for their own intellectual benefit.

 

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And to get back on topic, it's pretty obvious that Elizabeth Warren knows much more about economics than Ron Paul or anyone else in this thread, as the hate and vitriol spewed from dubious "news" sources screams cowardice and an unwillingness to meet her head on about the issues, for fear of losing handily.

[johnnyrodgers20]

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

Apparently you didn't read the post. The federal government does provide money for the local roads you drive on and the local emergency and law enforcement services you enjoy today.

 

Many of the country roads, bridges, and city streets have been put in place with federal money. Hell--I would hope you've been to Nebraska--the WPA roads that are still in place today in many of the smaller NE cities were built with federal funds. Federal money has been appropriated for all level of road projects--federal, state, county, and city, and will continue to happen, regardless of your level of comprehension and understanding.

 

And the two best things that could fiscally happen for this country are that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Hell, inaction on extending the Bush Tax Cuts would, at current spending levels, return us to having a surplus by 2014--that's how damaging and short-sighted these tax cuts are.

and where do you get this information from. Most localities around here repair local streets. Show me some proof where the fed comes in. And Teachers, police and firefighters get paid by the local municipality & state around here. They may get some grants but that isn't paying their salaries on a consistent basis. And they sure as heck don't put any money into their pension plans that are choking small towns and cities.

 

Seriously--are you perhaps one of the most successful derp-trolls this side of the internet?

 

http://www.nola.com/..._more_reco.html

 

http://www.cityofsha...CurrentProjects

 

http://timesfreepres...oney-build-bik/

 

http://www.heraldnew...ighway-projects

 

http://www.wickedloc...s#axzz1dKYhVPrO

 

http://hamptonroads....ing-out-schools

 

http://www.economist.com/node/18620944

 

http://canton-mi.pat...t-federal-money

 

http://www.kcet.org/...-the-river.html

 

The federal money the state, county, and city/municipal districts get is, many times, either the bulk or the entirety of the funds being used for the projects.

 

Just because the check for these workers comes from a local entity, that doesn't mean that's where the money for the project comes from--that's the type of linear, simplistic thought process that is holding us back as a nation.

 

Your comment was "The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads." That is wrong, as they do, sometimes lock, stock, and barrel even.

 

You stated "Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about?" The federal government routinely provides money by way of project grants to hire additional officers, or to help cities maintain current staffing levels. The City of Dallas, as a case-in-point, required federal money to maintain their staffing levels.

 

And I've worked at and helped elected officials at the city level, both pre- and post-election--while the majority of money comes from local sources, the majority of cities in the United States would fold up and declare bankruptcy if they lose their state and federal funds. States would fold up if they lost their federal funds.

 

There are many nuanced strata to federal, state, and city/municipal budgets--it's never linear or simple, much to the chagrin of those that want it to be for their own intellectual benefit.

 

---

 

And to get back on topic, it's pretty obvious that Elizabeth Warren knows much more about economics than Ron Paul or anyone else in this thread, as the hate and vitriol spewed from dubious "news" sources screams cowardice and an unwillingness to meet her head on about the issues, for fear of losing handily.

 

 

You are a uber liberal that we see in Europe and we know how that is going so I am troll because I believe diferently from you. Another trait of a closed minded liberal. Funny isn't as they are the ones who are supposed to be the tolerant ones!!! I always find it funny how progressives like you who feel the govt can do everything and how big the dems tent is, and yet can't even fathom Cain would not be a liberal because of the color of his skin. Almost eveything you said has backed my point. The govt hands out grants how long do they last? The locality and State pay for it. The feds don't pay salaries now do they? Do they pay into their pensions? The lion's share of the responsibility falls to the local and state. So troll this!!

[Cactusboy]

[Sub-Husker]

Seriously--are you perhaps one of the most successful derp-trolls this side of the internet?

 

I had played D&D in college, but I had never seen a "derp troll"... what is it... and how do I kill one?

 

The federal money the state, county, and city/municipal districts get is, many times, either the bulk or the entirety of the funds being used for the projects.

 

Just because the check for these workers comes from a local entity, that doesn't mean that's where the money for the project comes from--that's the type of linear, simplistic thought process that is holding us back as a nation.

 

Your comment was "The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads." That is wrong, as they do, sometimes lock, stock, and barrel even.

 

You stated "Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about?" The federal government routinely provides money by way of project grants to hire additional officers, or to help cities maintain current staffing levels. The City of Dallas, as a case-in-point, required federal money to maintain their staffing levels.

 

And I've worked at and helped elected officials at the city level, both pre- and post-election--while the majority of money comes from local sources, the majority of cities in the United States would fold up and declare bankruptcy if they lose their state and federal funds. States would fold up if they lost their federal funds.

 

There are many nuanced strata to federal, state, and city/municipal budgets--it's never linear or simple, much to the chagrin of those that want it to be for their own intellectual benefit.

 

---

 

And to get back on topic, it's pretty obvious that Elizabeth Warren knows much more about economics than Ron Paul or anyone else in this thread, as the hate and vitriol spewed from dubious "news" sources screams cowardice and an unwillingness to meet her head on about the issues, for fear of losing handily.

 

Excellent post, EW will be one of our best senators.

[Yossarian]

Seriously--are you perhaps one of the most successful derp-trolls this side of the internet?

 

What's with the name-calling?

[johnnyrodgers20]

I said local roads, you are the one who is wrong. The fed govt is vital for the infrastructure of this nation, taxes should be allocated for it. As far as grants are concerned that is the right and freedom of each and every town and municipality to choose. But don't come back and tell the others who do not accpet it that the fed has a right to take more of their money.

 

Apparently you didn't read the post. The federal government does provide money for the local roads you drive on and the local emergency and law enforcement services you enjoy today.

 

Many of the country roads, bridges, and city streets have been put in place with federal money. Hell--I would hope you've been to Nebraska--the WPA roads that are still in place today in many of the smaller NE cities were built with federal funds. Federal money has been appropriated for all level of road projects--federal, state, county, and city, and will continue to happen, regardless of your level of comprehension and understanding.

 

And the two best things that could fiscally happen for this country are that we get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and that we let the Bush Tax Cuts expire. Hell, inaction on extending the Bush Tax Cuts would, at current spending levels, return us to having a surplus by 2014--that's how damaging and short-sighted these tax cuts are.

and where do you get this information from. Most localities around here repair local streets. Show me some proof where the fed comes in. And Teachers, police and firefighters get paid by the local municipality & state around here. They may get some grants but that isn't paying their salaries on a consistent basis. And they sure as heck don't put any money into their pension plans that are choking small towns and cities.

 

Seriously--are you perhaps one of the most successful derp-trolls this side of the internet?

 

http://www.nola.com/..._more_reco.html

 

http://www.cityofsha...CurrentProjects

 

http://timesfreepres...oney-build-bik/

 

http://www.heraldnew...ighway-projects

 

http://www.wickedloc...s#axzz1dKYhVPrO

 

http://hamptonroads....ing-out-schools

 

http://www.economist.com/node/18620944

 

http://canton-mi.pat...t-federal-money

 

http://www.kcet.org/...-the-river.html

 

The federal money the state, county, and city/municipal districts get is, many times, either the bulk or the entirety of the funds being used for the projects.

 

Just because the check for these workers comes from a local entity, that doesn't mean that's where the money for the project comes from--that's the type of linear, simplistic thought process that is holding us back as a nation.

 

Your comment was "The fed govt doesn't pay for local roads." That is wrong, as they do, sometimes lock, stock, and barrel even.

 

You stated "Police and fire fighters are paid by the town or municipality. Where are the fed funds she is talking about?" The federal government routinely provides money by way of project grants to hire additional officers, or to help cities maintain current staffing levels. The City of Dallas, as a case-in-point, required federal money to maintain their staffing levels.

 

And I've worked at and helped elected officials at the city level, both pre- and post-election--while the majority of money comes from local sources, the majority of cities in the United States would fold up and declare bankruptcy if they lose their state and federal funds. States would fold up if they lost their federal funds.

 

There are many nuanced strata to federal, state, and city/municipal budgets--it's never linear or simple, much to the chagrin of those that want it to be for their own intellectual benefit.

 

---

 

And to get back on topic, it's pretty obvious that Elizabeth Warren knows much more about economics than Ron Paul or anyone else in this thread, as the hate and vitriol spewed from dubious "news" sources screams cowardice and an unwillingness to meet her head on about the issues, for fear of losing handily.

 

Most of these are one time exceptions. New Orleans is getting money because of damage to katrina. And I said that the feds are responsible for the the interstate and infrastructure. All the others are people APPLYING for grants. The maintenance and work are paid for mostly by local and state employees. How about the salaries &pensions of police, firefighters and teachers. In our state and especially local we have volunteer firefighters so I guess you then you could be correct the fed does pay their salary if it makes you feel better. Our police force is paid by the town and county I believe. And the teachers are paid by the county through taxes, I do not know if any aid other then when the stimulus gave the state money of the feds paying our teachers salaries. The feds do contribute to the overall fund though I am not sure of the percentage but it has gone down from 33% awhile ago (years). I am not sure what they pay into the school district now although I know it is lower.