Penn State Scandal Thread

[Badger_HB]

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

Sorry but no. He got fired because he was part of the chain of command that this went through and got shoved under the rug by. That much is documented and admitted. It is not a witch hunt. I don't understand how people can divorce themselves from reality enough to think that this was just a convenient opportunity to get rid of the guy. He tied their hands the day he found out about what went on in 2002 and didn't go directly to the authorities and continued to have Sandusky around the program... and that's assuming he was ignorant of the situation that went on before Sandusky was removed as DC in the 90s. Which isn't very plausible.

 

Funny, but I have yet to read of or see any evidence where this was "shoved under the rug" by Paterno. That's media supposition at it's finest, as is the posting by the media and general public on boards and blogs all over the internet about how he must have been thinking about his reputation/wins/legacy versus the safety of those kids. Sandusky had never been arrested for, nor charged with nor found guilty of any sort of crime (and still hasn't), so how exactly do you justify cutting off all ties with the person based on second hand accounts and hearsay? It's not as if Paterno actually witnessed anything that would have made what you are purporting he do - completely block access to all campus facilitys/programs etc,- actionable without putting the university and himself at risk (and even had he done so, there is zero evidence that it would have prevented Sandusky from continuing to molest children).

 

Did JoePa know about what happened in the shower involving his former staff member? yes, he himself admitted that to a grand jury. Did he report it directly to the police? No.

 

There you go.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did not lie about that. That doesn't mean the workplace where this was swept under the rug, by the people that this was known by, needs him to be charged with a crime to see that it was a huge problem. By not being immediately turned over to police it was a problem and that was compounded by having the man accused still around the program. His inaction and those of his direct superiors (which is laughable at penn state) enabled a child rapist. Get that through your head. Everyone involved needs to be and will be canned whether they are facing indictments or not. They taint the entire institution if you allow them to remain.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did nothing wrong - he reported it to the "authorities" in charge of his institution (which is how the law/statute is worded... although I imagine that the statute may be amended to rid itself of such ambiguity in the future), not because he didn't lie about it to the grand jury - if the Grand Jury thought he was lying they would have charged him with perjury as they did with Schultz and Curely.. but they didn't, which seems to point to and support the fact that Paterno's testimony that he was unaware of the specifics of what took place in the shower is the truth. I've read the Grand Jury's report and honestly, based upon what's in there, Paterno is, at this time and until any evidence is produced to refute it.... innocent of wrong doing.

 

If you want to talk about inaction, how about the detectives who dropped an investigation at the bequest of Penn State Campus Police, an AG/Head of Police that decided not to file charges, a mother who worked with the police to tape phone conversations but didn't pursue it when the police dropped it, the executives of Second Mile who were apparently informed several times about possible issues but did nothing, Shultz and Curely who did nothing... there was a whole lot of failure going on here by not only Penn State officials but by local and county law enforcement, school coaches and officials and other various authorities.

 

The victims were let down at every single level by every person who should have protected them but to pin the majority of the blame on Paterno and say that it was Paterno who enabled and apparently by way of inaction, condoned, Sandusky's actions is a ridiculous. Could he have done more? Given the information we have now, it appears to be obvious he could have. But he didn't have all of this information, he had an apparently vague report of some sort of sexual misconduct between a former employee and a child, which he had already reported a required by law and "morality".

 

Paterno is the "big name" goat being sacrificed to overshadow the rest of the stuff in the background.. it will be interesting to see where this case goes with regard to the public's interest in the case now that the "blood" we've all been calling for has been shed.

Wrong. So wrong. McQueary told him what happened in excruciating detail.

 

Show me in the indictment or in the testimonies of those involved where anyone says Paterno was told in full detail what happened in that shower. Don't you think that the Grand Jury would have indicted Paterno as well if Mcqueary (sp) had testified differently? Because that what happened with Schultz and Curley.

A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university?s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State?s campus police.

[hskerprid]

th3r0m, if Joe had no knowledge please explain why after an investigation in 1998 Joe was not present at Sandusky's retirement dinner?

Sandusky was forced into retirement because of findings pertaining to that investigation. After sharing the sidelines with someone for 30 years and being a close personal friend don't you think that Joe would want to attend that event? Do you think that maybe Joe had some information regarding Sandusky that he felt repulsed by?

Sandusky was PSU's and Joepa's dirty little secret. By the turning a blind eye and allowing this piece of garbage to still prowl the campus is unspeakably horrible.

[th3r0m]

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

Sorry but no. He got fired because he was part of the chain of command that this went through and got shoved under the rug by. That much is documented and admitted. It is not a witch hunt. I don't understand how people can divorce themselves from reality enough to think that this was just a convenient opportunity to get rid of the guy. He tied their hands the day he found out about what went on in 2002 and didn't go directly to the authorities and continued to have Sandusky around the program... and that's assuming he was ignorant of the situation that went on before Sandusky was removed as DC in the 90s. Which isn't very plausible.

 

Funny, but I have yet to read of or see any evidence where this was "shoved under the rug" by Paterno. That's media supposition at it's finest, as is the posting by the media and general public on boards and blogs all over the internet about how he must have been thinking about his reputation/wins/legacy versus the safety of those kids. Sandusky had never been arrested for, nor charged with nor found guilty of any sort of crime (and still hasn't), so how exactly do you justify cutting off all ties with the person based on second hand accounts and hearsay? It's not as if Paterno actually witnessed anything that would have made what you are purporting he do - completely block access to all campus facilitys/programs etc,- actionable without putting the university and himself at risk (and even had he done so, there is zero evidence that it would have prevented Sandusky from continuing to molest children).

 

Did JoePa know about what happened in the shower involving his former staff member? yes, he himself admitted that to a grand jury. Did he report it directly to the police? No.

 

There you go.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did not lie about that. That doesn't mean the workplace where this was swept under the rug, by the people that this was known by, needs him to be charged with a crime to see that it was a huge problem. By not being immediately turned over to police it was a problem and that was compounded by having the man accused still around the program. His inaction and those of his direct superiors (which is laughable at penn state) enabled a child rapist. Get that through your head. Everyone involved needs to be and will be canned whether they are facing indictments or not. They taint the entire institution if you allow them to remain.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did nothing wrong - he reported it to the "authorities" in charge of his institution (which is how the law/statute is worded... although I imagine that the statute may be amended to rid itself of such ambiguity in the future), not because he didn't lie about it to the grand jury - if the Grand Jury thought he was lying they would have charged him with perjury as they did with Schultz and Curely.. but they didn't, which seems to point to and support the fact that Paterno's testimony that he was unaware of the specifics of what took place in the shower is the truth. I've read the Grand Jury's report and honestly, based upon what's in there, Paterno is, at this time and until any evidence is produced to refute it.... innocent of wrong doing.

 

If you want to talk about inaction, how about the detectives who dropped an investigation at the bequest of Penn State Campus Police, an AG/Head of Police that decided not to file charges, a mother who worked with the police to tape phone conversations but didn't pursue it when the police dropped it, the executives of Second Mile who were apparently informed several times about possible issues but did nothing, Shultz and Curely who did nothing... there was a whole lot of failure going on here by not only Penn State officials but by local and county law enforcement, school coaches and officials and other various authorities.

 

The victims were let down at every single level by every person who should have protected them but to pin the majority of the blame on Paterno and say that it was Paterno who enabled and apparently by way of inaction, condoned, Sandusky's actions is a ridiculous. Could he have done more? Given the information we have now, it appears to be obvious he could have. But he didn't have all of this information, he had an apparently vague report of some sort of sexual misconduct between a former employee and a child, which he had already reported a required by law and "morality".

 

Paterno is the "big name" goat being sacrificed to overshadow the rest of the stuff in the background.. it will be interesting to see where this case goes with regard to the public's interest in the case now that the "blood" we've all been calling for has been shed.

Wrong. So wrong. McQueary told him what happened in excruciating detail.

 

Show me in the indictment or in the testimonies of those involved where anyone says Paterno was told in full detail what happened in that shower. Don't you think that the Grand Jury would have indicted Paterno as well if Mcqueary (sp) had testified differently? Because that what happened with Schultz and Curley.

A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university?s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State?s campus police.

 

Which is from a NYT article with no source named... If there was actual verifiable proof of this why wouldn't they have included it in the indictment. With that kind of testimony they could have nailed Paterno with charges of perjury just like they did Schulz and Curley and if they have they should use it... I'm not for sparing Paterno because he's old or a famous figure, I'm just not cool with a smear campaign targeting anyone ( old, famous or not) that is backed by very little in the way of evidence.

[Badger_HB]

Right or wrong, he's the face of that administration. You've just got to have more accountability than that.

[scarletNcream]

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

Sorry but no. He got fired because he was part of the chain of command that this went through and got shoved under the rug by. That much is documented and admitted. It is not a witch hunt. I don't understand how people can divorce themselves from reality enough to think that this was just a convenient opportunity to get rid of the guy. He tied their hands the day he found out about what went on in 2002 and didn't go directly to the authorities and continued to have Sandusky around the program... and that's assuming he was ignorant of the situation that went on before Sandusky was removed as DC in the 90s. Which isn't very plausible.

 

Funny, but I have yet to read of or see any evidence where this was "shoved under the rug" by Paterno. That's media supposition at it's finest, as is the posting by the media and general public on boards and blogs all over the internet about how he must have been thinking about his reputation/wins/legacy versus the safety of those kids. Sandusky had never been arrested for, nor charged with nor found guilty of any sort of crime (and still hasn't), so how exactly do you justify cutting off all ties with the person based on second hand accounts and hearsay? It's not as if Paterno actually witnessed anything that would have made what you are purporting he do - completely block access to all campus facilitys/programs etc,- actionable without putting the university and himself at risk (and even had he done so, there is zero evidence that it would have prevented Sandusky from continuing to molest children).

 

Did JoePa know about what happened in the shower involving his former staff member? yes, he himself admitted that to a grand jury. Did he report it directly to the police? No.

 

There you go.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did not lie about that. That doesn't mean the workplace where this was swept under the rug, by the people that this was known by, needs him to be charged with a crime to see that it was a huge problem. By not being immediately turned over to police it was a problem and that was compounded by having the man accused still around the program. His inaction and those of his direct superiors (which is laughable at penn state) enabled a child rapist. Get that through your head. Everyone involved needs to be and will be canned whether they are facing indictments or not. They taint the entire institution if you allow them to remain.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did nothing wrong - he reported it to the "authorities" in charge of his institution (which is how the law/statute is worded... although I imagine that the statute may be amended to rid itself of such ambiguity in the future), not because he didn't lie about it to the grand jury - if the Grand Jury thought he was lying they would have charged him with perjury as they did with Schultz and Curely.. but they didn't, which seems to point to and support the fact that Paterno's testimony that he was unaware of the specifics of what took place in the shower is the truth. I've read the Grand Jury's report and honestly, based upon what's in there, Paterno is, at this time and until any evidence is produced to refute it.... innocent of wrong doing.

 

If you want to talk about inaction, how about the detectives who dropped an investigation at the bequest of Penn State Campus Police, an AG/Head of Police that decided not to file charges, a mother who worked with the police to tape phone conversations but didn't pursue it when the police dropped it, the executives of Second Mile who were apparently informed several times about possible issues but did nothing, Shultz and Curely who did nothing... there was a whole lot of failure going on here by not only Penn State officials but by local and county law enforcement, school coaches and officials and other various authorities.

 

The victims were let down at every single level by every person who should have protected them but to pin the majority of the blame on Paterno and say that it was Paterno who enabled and apparently by way of inaction, condoned, Sandusky's actions is a ridiculous. Could he have done more? Given the information we have now, it appears to be obvious he could have. But he didn't have all of this information, he had an apparently vague report of some sort of sexual misconduct between a former employee and a child, which he had already reported a required by law and "morality".

 

Paterno is the "big name" goat being sacrificed to overshadow the rest of the stuff in the background.. it will be interesting to see where this case goes with regard to the public's interest in the case now that the "blood" we've all been calling for has been shed.

Wrong. So wrong. McQueary told him what happened in excruciating detail.

 

Show me in the indictment or in the testimonies of those involved where anyone says Paterno was told in full detail what happened in that shower. Don't you think that the Grand Jury would have indicted Paterno as well if Mcqueary (sp) had testified differently? Because that what happened with Schultz and Curley.

A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university?s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State?s campus police.

 

Are you saying there was someone in the room with JoePa when McQueary relayed the events to him? Because that is the only way that "a person familiar with his account" could be; familiar with his account. Other than that, this is just an inflammatory statement.

[Badger_HB]

Ridiculous... this was a modern day witch hunt fueled by careless media making a lot of assumptions and suppositions with no real basis on factual evidence - that the BoT fired Paterno is not surprising given the rumors they've been trying to oust him for years, but fervor for which "we" were clamoring for his firing to "punish" him is repugnant.

 

The whole "he should have morally done more" argument is the result of hindsight and a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking. It's always much easier to see how a someone screwed up after the fact and what they should've/could've done to change things - it's much, much harder to perform at that kind of level of self-realization during a situation. As for the "I would've done this or kicked this person's ***&^^*, " well, we're all real tough on the internet, but the majority of us would have done no more than he did - reported it to his superiors - and of those who actually may have done more (which is very few) even fewer could actually back it up. Honestly, disgusted at what was done to those boys, disgusted it was covered up and disgusted with the pitchfork and torches mob mentality that we've allowed ourselves to be stirred up into by the media.

 

Thank goodness our legal system gives zero weight to judgement of the court of public opinion, else we'd all hang. I only hope that the rioting is quelled before anyone gets seriously hurt as there's no need to had further injury, hurt and pain to this mess of a situation.

 

Sorry but no. He got fired because he was part of the chain of command that this went through and got shoved under the rug by. That much is documented and admitted. It is not a witch hunt. I don't understand how people can divorce themselves from reality enough to think that this was just a convenient opportunity to get rid of the guy. He tied their hands the day he found out about what went on in 2002 and didn't go directly to the authorities and continued to have Sandusky around the program... and that's assuming he was ignorant of the situation that went on before Sandusky was removed as DC in the 90s. Which isn't very plausible.

 

Funny, but I have yet to read of or see any evidence where this was "shoved under the rug" by Paterno. That's media supposition at it's finest, as is the posting by the media and general public on boards and blogs all over the internet about how he must have been thinking about his reputation/wins/legacy versus the safety of those kids. Sandusky had never been arrested for, nor charged with nor found guilty of any sort of crime (and still hasn't), so how exactly do you justify cutting off all ties with the person based on second hand accounts and hearsay? It's not as if Paterno actually witnessed anything that would have made what you are purporting he do - completely block access to all campus facilitys/programs etc,- actionable without putting the university and himself at risk (and even had he done so, there is zero evidence that it would have prevented Sandusky from continuing to molest children).

 

Did JoePa know about what happened in the shower involving his former staff member? yes, he himself admitted that to a grand jury. Did he report it directly to the police? No.

 

There you go.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did not lie about that. That doesn't mean the workplace where this was swept under the rug, by the people that this was known by, needs him to be charged with a crime to see that it was a huge problem. By not being immediately turned over to police it was a problem and that was compounded by having the man accused still around the program. His inaction and those of his direct superiors (which is laughable at penn state) enabled a child rapist. Get that through your head. Everyone involved needs to be and will be canned whether they are facing indictments or not. They taint the entire institution if you allow them to remain.

 

He's not being charged with a crime because he did nothing wrong - he reported it to the "authorities" in charge of his institution (which is how the law/statute is worded... although I imagine that the statute may be amended to rid itself of such ambiguity in the future), not because he didn't lie about it to the grand jury - if the Grand Jury thought he was lying they would have charged him with perjury as they did with Schultz and Curely.. but they didn't, which seems to point to and support the fact that Paterno's testimony that he was unaware of the specifics of what took place in the shower is the truth. I've read the Grand Jury's report and honestly, based upon what's in there, Paterno is, at this time and until any evidence is produced to refute it.... innocent of wrong doing.

 

If you want to talk about inaction, how about the detectives who dropped an investigation at the bequest of Penn State Campus Police, an AG/Head of Police that decided not to file charges, a mother who worked with the police to tape phone conversations but didn't pursue it when the police dropped it, the executives of Second Mile who were apparently informed several times about possible issues but did nothing, Shultz and Curely who did nothing... there was a whole lot of failure going on here by not only Penn State officials but by local and county law enforcement, school coaches and officials and other various authorities.

 

The victims were let down at every single level by every person who should have protected them but to pin the majority of the blame on Paterno and say that it was Paterno who enabled and apparently by way of inaction, condoned, Sandusky's actions is a ridiculous. Could he have done more? Given the information we have now, it appears to be obvious he could have. But he didn't have all of this information, he had an apparently vague report of some sort of sexual misconduct between a former employee and a child, which he had already reported a required by law and "morality".

 

Paterno is the "big name" goat being sacrificed to overshadow the rest of the stuff in the background.. it will be interesting to see where this case goes with regard to the public's interest in the case now that the "blood" we've all been calling for has been shed.

Wrong. So wrong. McQueary told him what happened in excruciating detail.

 

Show me in the indictment or in the testimonies of those involved where anyone says Paterno was told in full detail what happened in that shower. Don't you think that the Grand Jury would have indicted Paterno as well if Mcqueary (sp) had testified differently? Because that what happened with Schultz and Curley.

A person familiar with his account said McQueary did not spare the details when he met with Paterno. Nor did he when he met with the university?s athletic director and another senior administrator, the man in charge of Penn State?s campus police.

 

Are you saying there was someone in the room with JoePa when McQueary relayed the events to him? Because that is the only way that "a person familiar with his account" could be; familiar with his account. Other than that, this is just an inflammatory statement.

That's not my quote. That's a quote from a NYT article.

[Rocketsocks]

Facts:

 

Joe Paterno was told, by his own testimony to the Grand Jury, that McQueary had witnessed fondling and touching of a sexual nature by Sandusky in the Penn State locker rooms.

That was in 2002. Paterno reacted to that by one time making one phone call to the administrator and doing nothing else.

Since that report, Sandusky has had access to the Penn State facilities including the weight room as recently as the week of 10-31-2011. Meaning that at no time did Paterno restrict Sandusky's access to the team or the facilities.

 

That is why Paterno got fired. He was told something terrible about Sandusky and didn't do enough to protect the kids or his players.

 

I don't understand how people defend that.

[Landomatic]

As I said regarding Paterno earlier in the week...no way in hell McQueary is in that stadium on Saturday. They may let him "resign" or give him a leave or something along those lines, but he won't be there. Its a no win for him either way. Those few idiots supporting Paterno are pissed because "if Paterno was fired, McQueary should have been fired" and then I think everyone else thinks he should have been fired because he didn't do enough. They need everyone involved to be out.

[Moiraine]

I'm not getting the defense either. He hired McQueary as one of his coaches. You don't hire a guy if you don't trust him. You don't trust a guy who makes terrible accusations like this if you don't think they're true.

[WhatDoIKnow]

th3r0m, please answer these questions.

 

Paterno testified to the grand jury that he was made aware of something of sexual nature between Sandusky and a young boy in a shower in 2002. This is not from the media, this is from Paterno's own testimony to the grand jury.

 

Knowing that:

 

Why is Sandusky allowed to attend a practice in 2007 with a child?

Are you saying Paterno has no control over who attends his practice?

 

Why is Sandusky still allowed to maintain an office in the athletic facility?

Are you saying Paterno has no control over who has offices in the facility? He is THE MAN at Penn State.

 

Why is Sandusky allowed to take a child with him as part of an official travel party to bowl games?

Paterno wouldn't allow unmarried people on the travel parties to sleep in the same room as their girlfriends.

 

Why was Sandusky even allowed to work out at Penn State facilities as late as last week?

 

How many more kids do you think were molested since 2002? I am not even going back to issues that were known about in 1998.

 

McQueary's hands are not clean in the situation, and I hope he is canned also. All Paterno should have to hear in 2002 is "Sandusky", "child", and "shower" from McQueary and Sandusky should not be allowed within 100 miles of that campus.

[th3r0m]

th3r0m, if Joe had no knowledge please explain why after an investigation in 1998 Joe was not present at Sandusky's retirement dinner?

Sandusky was forced into retirement because of findings pertaining to that investigation. After sharing the sidelines with someone for 30 years and being a close personal friend don't you think that Joe would want to attend that event? Do you think that maybe Joe had some information regarding Sandusky that he felt repulsed by?

Sandusky was PSU's and Joepa's dirty little secret. By the turning a blind eye and allowing this piece of garbage to still prowl the campus is unspeakably horrible.

 

It makes little sense for Paterno to apparently have someone removed from his program and avoid him because he is repulsed by his very presence and to then allow them unfettered access to the facilities he basically lives in. And even less sense to then, when handed the ammunition needed to remove permanently from your life in addition to preventing further instances of atrocities against children to be perpetrated by a person who apparently repulses you, to do nothing with it. I think Paterno lacked knowledge of the truth of the situations, but I couldn't say whether it was purposeful or not because I just don't see where it benefits him to keep quiet about this.

[scarletNcream]

th3r0m, please answer these questions.

 

Paterno testified to the grand jury that he was made aware of something of sexual nature between Sandusky and a young boy in a shower in 2002. This is not from the media, this is from Paterno's own testimony to the grand jury.

 

Knowing that:

 

Why is Sandusky allowed to attend a practice in 2007 with a child?

Are you saying Paterno has no control over who attends his practice?

 

Why is Sandusky still allowed to maintain an office in the athletic facility?

Are you saying Paterno has no control over who has offices in the facility? He is THE MAN at Penn State.

 

Why is Sandusky allowed to take a child with him as part of an official travel party to bowl games?

Paterno wouldn't allow unmarried people on the travel parties to sleep in the same room as their girlfriends.

 

Why was Sandusky even allowed to work out at Penn State facilities as late as last week?

 

How many more kids do you think were molested since 2002? I am not even going back to issues that were known about in 1998.

 

McQueary's hands are not clean in the situation, and I hope he is canned also. All Paterno should have to hear in 2002 is "Sandusky", "child", and "shower" from McQueary and Sandusky should not be allowed within 100 miles of that campus.

 

I believe this is why Spaniar lost his job. By allowing Sandusky to retain his emeritus status. As far as JoePa being "the man" I am not sold on him being able to keep an individual off campus that has this status. Not sure, but certainly could have closed practice to him.

[WhatDoIKnow]

th3r0m, if Joe had no knowledge please explain why after an investigation in 1998 Joe was not present at Sandusky's retirement dinner?

Sandusky was forced into retirement because of findings pertaining to that investigation. After sharing the sidelines with someone for 30 years and being a close personal friend don't you think that Joe would want to attend that event? Do you think that maybe Joe had some information regarding Sandusky that he felt repulsed by?

Sandusky was PSU's and Joepa's dirty little secret. By the turning a blind eye and allowing this piece of garbage to still prowl the campus is unspeakably horrible.

 

It makes little sense for Paterno to apparently have someone removed from his program and avoid him because he is repulsed by his very presence and to then allow them unfettered access to the facilities he basically lives in. And even less sense to then, when handed the ammunition needed to remove permanently from your life in addition to preventing further instances of atrocities against children to be perpetrated by a person who apparently repulses you, to do nothing with it. I think Paterno lacked knowledge of the truth of the situations, but I couldn't say whether it was purposeful or not because I just don't see where it benefits him to keep quiet about this.

 

So Paterno committed perjury in his grand jury testimony? Got it. How much jail time do you think he is facing?

[scarletNcream]

th3r0m, if Joe had no knowledge please explain why after an investigation in 1998 Joe was not present at Sandusky's retirement dinner?

Sandusky was forced into retirement because of findings pertaining to that investigation. After sharing the sidelines with someone for 30 years and being a close personal friend don't you think that Joe would want to attend that event? Do you think that maybe Joe had some information regarding Sandusky that he felt repulsed by?

Sandusky was PSU's and Joepa's dirty little secret. By the turning a blind eye and allowing this piece of garbage to still prowl the campus is unspeakably horrible.

 

It makes little sense for Paterno to apparently have someone removed from his program and avoid him because he is repulsed by his very presence and to then allow them unfettered access to the facilities he basically lives in. And even less sense to then, when handed the ammunition needed to remove permanently from your life in addition to preventing further instances of atrocities against children to be perpetrated by a person who apparently repulses you, to do nothing with it. I think Paterno lacked knowledge of the truth of the situations, but I couldn't say whether it was purposeful or not because I just don't see where it benefits him to keep quiet about this.

 

He did attend it, he showed up, gave a small speech and left.

[th3r0m]

th3r0m, if Joe had no knowledge please explain why after an investigation in 1998 Joe was not present at Sandusky's retirement dinner?

Sandusky was forced into retirement because of findings pertaining to that investigation. After sharing the sidelines with someone for 30 years and being a close personal friend don't you think that Joe would want to attend that event? Do you think that maybe Joe had some information regarding Sandusky that he felt repulsed by?

Sandusky was PSU's and Joepa's dirty little secret. By the turning a blind eye and allowing this piece of garbage to still prowl the campus is unspeakably horrible.

 

It makes little sense for Paterno to apparently have someone removed from his program and avoid him because he is repulsed by his very presence and to then allow them unfettered access to the facilities he basically lives in. And even less sense to then, when handed the ammunition needed to remove permanently from your life in addition to preventing further instances of atrocities against children to be perpetrated by a person who apparently repulses you, to do nothing with it. I think Paterno lacked knowledge of the truth of the situations, but I couldn't say whether it was purposeful or not because I just don't see where it benefits him to keep quiet about this.

 

So Paterno committed perjury in his grand jury testimony? Got it. How much jail time do you think he is facing?

 

Not sure where I said or even implied he committed perjury, I said I thought he lacked knowledge, as in not having the full story of the events that had taken place, not that he knew nothing at all.