Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Are animals killed there? Are they crowded into small spaces? They are being killed because we "want" meat not need meat We don't need to kill animals to survive. Fruits, Veggies, whole grains, nuts etc and exercise will beat a burger and fried chicken every time. Our society in general needs to get back to basics. Fruits and more so veggies should outnumber meat in a persons diet by quite a bit. Heck they should outnumber grains as well. Sounds like you're the one that needs to get back to basics. Animals kill and eat other animals. It happened before humans existed, it happened before society existed, happened before slaughterhouses existed, and if by some chance the world turns out that way, it will continue to happen long after we're gone. Those animals don't need to kill and eat other animals either, but it's nature, and natural. What about a slaughterhouse is natural? Animals are lined up killed (hopefully on the first try) then processed. How is that anything like a lion chasing down a water buffalo? If you live on a farm and kill a chicken to feed your family that is ok. You most likely didn't hang it by its feet and run it through water with an electric current. If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 He knows only what vegan propaganda has told him. I have worked in the livestock industry for years. Right now I'm surrounded by cattle with a feed lot right down the road. I have no problem if someone decides to not eat meat. But the propaganda these groups put out is pathetic. 1 Link to comment
Landlord Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Are animals killed there? Are they crowded into small spaces? They are being killed because we "want" meat not need meat We don't need to kill animals to survive. Fruits, Veggies, whole grains, nuts etc and exercise will beat a burger and fried chicken every time. Our society in general needs to get back to basics. Fruits and more so veggies should outnumber meat in a persons diet by quite a bit. Heck they should outnumber grains as well. Sounds like you're the one that needs to get back to basics. Animals kill and eat other animals. It happened before humans existed, it happened before society existed, happened before slaughterhouses existed, and if by some chance the world turns out that way, it will continue to happen long after we're gone. Those animals don't need to kill and eat other animals either, but it's nature, and natural. What about a slaughterhouse is natural? Animals are lined up killed (hopefully on the first try) then processed. How is that anything like a lion chasing down a water buffalo? If you live on a farm and kill a chicken to feed your family that is ok. You most likely didn't hang it by its feet and run it through water with an electric current. If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein You're making two separate arguments. The first is that the specific way in which we kill animals is inhumane, the second is that we shouldn't be killing animals in the first place. I'm only disagreeing and discrediting the second argument. Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Are animals killed there? Are they crowded into small spaces? They are being killed because we "want" meat not need meat We don't need to kill animals to survive. Fruits, Veggies, whole grains, nuts etc and exercise will beat a burger and fried chicken every time. Our society in general needs to get back to basics. Fruits and more so veggies should outnumber meat in a persons diet by quite a bit. Heck they should outnumber grains as well. Sounds like you're the one that needs to get back to basics. Animals kill and eat other animals. It happened before humans existed, it happened before society existed, happened before slaughterhouses existed, and if by some chance the world turns out that way, it will continue to happen long after we're gone. Those animals don't need to kill and eat other animals either, but it's nature, and natural. What about a slaughterhouse is natural? Animals are lined up killed (hopefully on the first try) then processed. How is that anything like a lion chasing down a water buffalo? If you live on a farm and kill a chicken to feed your family that is ok. You most likely didn't hang it by its feet and run it through water with an electric current. If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein Wait a minute... If we don't eat animals they stop pooping? Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Animals will always be killed for food. It is not possible for some third world countries to do it any other way. However I would guess the majority of us on here are not in such terrible circumstances that we are unable to eat other food sources. Link to comment
ZRod Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. You realize there is already a surplus of food in this country and basically around the world right? It's the distribution and economics of it that's the problem. And the manure issue isn't going to be a big issue that much longer with the way they collect the run off and in some instances use it for methane. Link to comment
NebraskaHarry Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Animals will always be killed for food. It is not possible for some third world countries to do it any other way. However I would guess the majority of us on here are not in such terrible circumstances that we are unable to eat other food sources. Why would we want to? We've bred and domesticated species into livestock for our benefit of consuming their products. Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Are animals killed there? Are they crowded into small spaces? They are being killed because we "want" meat not need meat We don't need to kill animals to survive. Fruits, Veggies, whole grains, nuts etc and exercise will beat a burger and fried chicken every time. Our society in general needs to get back to basics. Fruits and more so veggies should outnumber meat in a persons diet by quite a bit. Heck they should outnumber grains as well. Sounds like you're the one that needs to get back to basics. Animals kill and eat other animals. It happened before humans existed, it happened before society existed, happened before slaughterhouses existed, and if by some chance the world turns out that way, it will continue to happen long after we're gone. Those animals don't need to kill and eat other animals either, but it's nature, and natural. What about a slaughterhouse is natural? Animals are lined up killed (hopefully on the first try) then processed. How is that anything like a lion chasing down a water buffalo? If you live on a farm and kill a chicken to feed your family that is ok. You most likely didn't hang it by its feet and run it through water with an electric current. If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein Wait a minute... If we don't eat animals they stop pooping? Hoping that was sarcasm. Cattle, hogs and chicken would not reproduce in such crazy numbers if it wasn't for man. You eat less or no meat they don't need to breed as many cattle which in turn makes less poop Link to comment
ZRod Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 Hoping that was sarcasm. Cattle, hogs and chicken would not reproduce in such crazy numbers if it wasn't for man. You eat less or no meat they don't need to breed as many cattle which in turn makes less poop Have you heard of feral pigs before? They're a huge problem! And they reproduced on their own. All the boar in this country came from domesticated pigs. Link to comment
NebraskaHarry Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 I would agree that I would choose range fed over confined meat any day. But I'm not giving up meat, because someone thinks eating meat is wrong. Link to comment
The Dude Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If God had wanted us to be vegetarian he wouldn't have invented bacon. [/thread] Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 Animals will always be killed for food. It is not possible for some third world countries to do it any other way. However I would guess the majority of us on here are not in such terrible circumstances that we are unable to eat other food sources. Why would we want to? We've bred and domesticated species into livestock for our benefit of consuming their products. To sustain life on this planet for a longer period of time. :-) Link to comment
ZRod Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 If God had wanted us to be vegetarian he wouldn't have invented bacon. And we'd have only molars... Link to comment
HuskerShark Posted January 13, 2013 Share Posted January 13, 2013 What about a slaughterhouse is natural? Animals are lined up killed (hopefully on the first try) then processed. How is that anything like a lion chasing down a water buffalo? If you live on a farm and kill a chicken to feed your family that is ok. You most likely didn't hang it by its feet and run it through water with an electric current. If you were to use all the fields etc that are used to feed livestock and used it for crops that people could eat you would have a heck of a lot more food and also a lot less manure. "Our task must be to free ourselves . . . by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature and its beauty." "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances of survival for life on earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." Albert Einstein I'm not sure what pot smoker told you that, but you should probably have an idea of what you are talking about before you make any argument. And you say that the way animals kill and eat other animals is okay when they chase them down and start eating them before they are dead, but when humans run them through a processing plant, kill them in the most humane way possible, and cut the carcasses into marketable cuts AFTER THEY ARE DEAD AND CAN NO LONGER FEEL PAIN, then that is supposedly not okay?..... Now, am I saying that places that torture animals in an inhumane way don't exist? Absolutely not. I've never seen any first-hand but I'm sure they exist. But to say that is the norm is ignorant and uppity. Link to comment
Hedley Lamarr Posted January 13, 2013 Author Share Posted January 13, 2013 If God had wanted us to be vegetarian he wouldn't have invented bacon. The first humans were vegans. Adam and Eve anyways..... Link to comment
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