What's the biggest reason for Blacks not advancing

[It'sNotAFakeID]

Knapp's usin' dem big ole' werds 'gain.

 

Stopit, knapp.

[LukeinNE]

At zero point in any of the threads you listed did anyone explicitly say they wanted BIGGER government. We have laws in place to accomplish everything discussed in those threads. Larger government isn't the answer, and nobody on this board advocates that. You're reading people saying government should be THIS not THAT, and hearing "I want bigger/more government."

I see your point, but I was referring to government power, not necessarily the literal size of the government (though I do think they inevitably intertwine), and never said anyone wanted bigger government.

 

As I explicitly stated, most here advocate a reallocation of government resources. Not larger - just focused differently.

 

Again, my original point was the expansion of government power, not necessarily size - though I frankly think it's impossible to fulfill the wishes expressed on this forum without growing government, as well.

 

But you don't give the people you label "liberals" here the same pass - hence the irony, and the "bravo." Because that is some truly self-serving myopathy, and while I don't think it was said with intent to harm, it certainly wasn't munificent of you.

I accept this one. I'll be sure to not assume their common ground with DC liberals/progressives/Democrats unless it is explicitly stated.

[knapplc]

And clearly none of the words I used were "too big," so take THAT, INAFID.

[tschu]

Only in America is single-payer healthcare, a reasonable environmental policy, taxing the rich at an effective rate higher than that of the middle class, and regulating the massively corruptly deregulated financial sectors considered "huge government" and "far left"

 

So a moderate Conservative or whatever Luke calls himself equates all of this with just broad-scoped, non-measured liberal agenda and when someone he considers liberal says something like "Police having military capabilities is bad" this somehow goes against the narrative he created that we're liberals, liberals go to all extremes, and liberals always side with government power no matter what. Never mind that this (like most issues really) shouldn't be a liberal vs. conservative issue and rather just...an issue.

 

I've posted many times about things that the government should have less power over - the cable and taxi industries, the drug war, the entire military, etc. This falls under one of those areas. Rather than having so much being spent on the military that there's a huge surplus (government contracts enable far to many of these SWAT vehicles, for example, to be made and purchased), that money should be spent elsewhere. We could directly fund police departments so that they could hire more officers and train all of their officers better, rather than just handing them excess war machines because, well someone has to use them!

 

Luke's train of thought has gone from

 

Yeah well stop using anecdotes

to

Yeah well sure that data is true but so what

to

Yeah well you guys are so liberal, look at you now, huh, hating big goverment control, GOTCHA.

 

It's really tiring to wade through and utterly boring and I'm probably just done.

[carlfense]

Kudos to Rand Paul for this.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

[LukeinNE]

Yeah well sure that data is true but so what

 

Back to the topic of the thread: the data that you provided on the last page reinforced a truism: racial bias exists. Nobody on here disputes that it exists. The issue is that there's an enormous gap between racial bias existing and blacks living in an "oppressed state" as you put it. That's where the disagreements are, and I'd still welcome an expansion on that area from you. That being said...

 

It's really tiring to wade through and utterly boring and I'm probably just done.

 

If you want to withdraw from any conversation, the only person stopping you is yourself.

[BigRedBuster]

Kudos to Rand Paul for this.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

[LukeinNE]

Kudos to Rand Paul for this.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

Good column.

 

Here's another good one - from the man who defended George Zimmerman.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/13/opinion/omara-michael-brown-police-shooting-racial-injustice/index.html?hpt=hp_t3

[knapplc]

That Rand Paul piece is dead-on about the militarization of police forces, and the link to the armament industry. Our nation's weapons manufacturers made a lot of "stuff" for Iraq & Afghanistan (and got rich doing it). All that "stuff" has to go somewhere, and we're finding out it's dangerous to leave it overseas with our erstwhile "allies." So we're shipping a lot of it home, and giving it to our police.

 

Those guns, tanks & APCs have one use, and we don't need that in suburbia 99.999% of the time. That 0.001% of the time isn't worth situations like Ferguson.

[Junior]

Kudos to Rand Paul for this.

http://time.com/3111474/rand-paul-ferguson-police/

 

Wonderful article. Very well written.

[Saunders]

Couple of pics I've seen floating on twitter...

 

 

[It'sNotAFakeID]

And clearly none of the words I used were "too big," so take THAT, INAFID.

 

As an aside, I like that you can't even abbreviate my name with fewer letters than my last one

[tschu]

The scene tonight in Ferguson is vastly different

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/

[LukeinNE]

It would appear that the state patrol made an excellent choice in the captain they sent to calm things down.

[Omaha-Husker]

The scene tonight in Ferguson is vastly different

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/08/14/with-highway-patrol-hugs-and-kisses-replace-tear-gas-in-ferguson/

 

Incredible what can happen when a police force chooses to lead and respect the public rather than intimidate them. Too bad this wasn't be the operating procedure from the beginning.