SandhillshuskerW Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Similar to what others have said: Alabama was ranked #1 through the first 13 weeks last year. Every time they beat a conference opponent, they didn't move up, bringing the average rise down. Great work. I'm surprised that AgMarauder doesn't see this......oh wait..........he's SEC now so he doesn't do well with stats and numbers and the way that they can be misleading. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'm just gonna leave this here...http://collegefootball.ap.org/article/data-shows-no-evidence-sec-bias-poll Actually, this is misleading. Having all your teams ranked inside your conference means you move up 1.5 spots NUMEROUS times...so while there isn't data to show that huge poll jumps happen...there is data that they didn't look at to show how often ranked teams are played. See, the SEC can play 4 or 5 ranked opponents in their standard conference games...teams like Nebraska may only play 2 if they're lucky. 1.5 spots x 4 or 5 is a pretty good thing to have the option of and conferences outside of the SEC don't have that option thanks to preseason rankings etc. for the SEC. The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. We covered this in pretty much all of the posts above Quote Link to comment
Notre Dame Joe Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Similar to what others have said: Alabama was ranked #1 through the first 13 weeks last year. Every time they beat a conference opponent, they didn't move up, bringing the average rise down. Great work. So you're saying we need negative number rankings to be fair to Bama. Quote Link to comment
go 'skers Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Good article on how pre-season ranking love fest of the SEC (specifically s. carolina and A&M) has created the current SEC love fest at the top of the rankings: http://fansided.com/2014/10/22/texas-controlled-2014-college-football-season/ Quote Link to comment
AgMarauder04 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. What type of schedule, specifically? Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. What type of schedule, specifically? Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. This article, linked previously, about how Texas A&M has influenced the entire landscape of football this year is a good example of how the bias we're speaking of in college football today is able to shape the landscape of who is ranked in the top 10. http://fansided.com/2014/10/22/texas-controlled-2014-college-football-season/ Now, the schedule I'm speaking of is that of the SEC having tons of teams ranked preseason and within the first 3-4 weeks in the top 15...they play very little out of conference games and thus are able to play ranked (read: each other) teams in conference. There is opportunity for almost every team to jump those 1.5 spots each week based on playing a "ranked" team. What a great racket that is! Switching to a schedule like that of the other power 5 conferences (4-5 out of conference games...starting next year no FCS teams) followed by 7-8 conference games) will bring parity to the SEC and cause less hype surrounding the conference. Since when does the SEC not play out of conference games? Also, The B1G is about to go to 3 non conference games. None of the Power 5 play 5 Non cons except for ND if you want to include them. And until next year, everybody was playing FCS schools. I'm not sure where you were going with your point but it missed the mark a little Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. What type of schedule, specifically? Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. No, they aren't. Quote Link to comment
StPaulHusker Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. What type of schedule, specifically? Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. This article, linked previously, about how Texas A&M has influenced the entire landscape of football this year is a good example of how the bias we're speaking of in college football today is able to shape the landscape of who is ranked in the top 10. http://fansided.com/2014/10/22/texas-controlled-2014-college-football-season/ Now, the schedule I'm speaking of is that of the SEC having tons of teams ranked preseason and within the first 3-4 weeks in the top 15...they play very little out of conference games and thus are able to play ranked (read: each other) teams in conference. There is opportunity for almost every team to jump those 1.5 spots each week based on playing a "ranked" team. What a great racket that is! Switching to a schedule like that of the other power 5 conferences (4-5 out of conference games...starting next year no FCS teams) followed by 7-8 conference games) will bring parity to the SEC and cause less hype surrounding the conference. Since when does the SEC not play out of conference games? Also, The B1G is about to go to 3 non conference games. None of the Power 5 play 5 Non cons except for ND if you want to include them. And until next year, everybody was playing FCS schools. I'm not sure where you were going with your point but it missed the mark a little I never said they did not play out of conference games. I already stated what you said in red above. Not sure where you were going with it...plus, the schedule for 3 non conference games in the B1G hasn't been announced yet last I checked...it was only proposed. Regardless, I directly quoted someone else and not you in the discussion and my points still stand...strength of schedule is subjective in the polls because of preseason ranks and heavily biased toward the SEC. You said "very little" out of conference games. They play 4. Which is the same or more than any other conference at this point. The 3 non cons is for 2016. Not 2015. That was my mistake. And it's not a proposal. Its a done deal. http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9467890/big-ten-releases-conference-schedules-2016-17 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I guess aTm has started taking the SEC theory on scheduling. aTm bails on home and home series against Oregon. 1 Quote Link to comment
VA Husker Fan Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The real thing we should be paying attention to isn't the number of spots teams jump...but rather...the number of games versus ranked opponents that give the opportunity for jumping. If the SEC switched to a schedule like that of the other Power 5 conferences to match them, the SEC 'bias' would probably go away. In other words, the system is broken and showing stats like those in this article definitely DO NOT prove or disprove anything. What type of schedule, specifically? Definitely NOT strength of schedule nor Sagarin because both of those are indirectly or directly influenced by the polls which are in question. No, they aren't. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/ncaaf/sagarin/ The Coaches poll relies heavily on Sagarin since USA Today sponsors both...they have a vested interest in making sure that Sagarin's isn't so far out in left field that it doesn't make sense. That's just too stupid to argue with. 2 Quote Link to comment
tschu Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 That's just too stupid to argue with. This. I don't even. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Indiana is 0-3 in the B1G but 1-0 in the SEC. Quote Link to comment
deedsker Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Indiana is 0-3 in the B1G but 1-0 in the SEC.Oklahoma isn't looking much better either. 2-2. PAC losses come to Boston College and Rutgers. Rutgers 1-3 and BC 2-2. So...PAC=SEC Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 Indiana can't win a game in the B1G but they beat the team leading the SEC East on the road. Quote Link to comment
In the Deed the Glory Posted November 2, 2014 Share Posted November 2, 2014 This weeks D-Baggery from ESecPN: 2 Quote Link to comment
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