Gregory or Abdullah. Who has the better NFL career?

[True2tRA]

 

I like the situation for both of these guys. Perfect offense for Ameer. Good depth chart situation. My assumption is he's a day 1 starter, and a long time starter. He'll thrive.

Randy will have every opportunity to succeed in Dallas. They have one of, if not the best, support progrums in place to help troubled players like this.

He'll have to try really hard to get in trouble.

On the football side of it, I don't think there's a better coach for him than Rod Marinelli. Like I said before, if that guy can't get the most out of Gregory, no one can. I just hope Marinelli sticks around for a couple more years.

The support and coaching will be there, the rest is up to him.

I think they're both going to be star players.

 

If you mean by having "the best support system" for Randy you really mean that they turn a blind eye while they do coke and prostitutes in a Dallas hotel, then I agree with you. The only advantage the Cowboys have for Randy is that they don't care if you smoke weed or are a crack head as long as you produce. I hope he pulls his head out of his ass and gets his life strait and has a great career with someone other than the cowboys. But I don't think he will have the support needed especially if it is true that he is asking Irvin to be his mentor. Can there be a worse mentor than that crack head? [/size]

Okay, so the whole failing a drug test he knew was coming was pretty stupid and definitely a big mistake. No doubt about it. Guys that age make some bad decisions sometimes. We all did.

 

Still, how come so many of you here keep judging the kid as if you are somehow superior to him? As if you're perfect.

 

Now here in your comment, you're not even talking about this single incident, you've determined his head is up his ass and his life is a mess. What information are you using to determine that this guy needs to get his life straight? He just got done playing football for the Huskers, an elite program, and now he is a second round draft choice to the Dallas Cowboys. Seems like the guy is doing okay so far. He smokes weed, whoop dee f'ing doo. He made a mistake, he should have out the pipe down for a month before that test came around. It cost him some money for sure. He's still gonna make more money than you or I this year.

 

Sounds to me like he's making an effort to be the best he can be. However he goes about that is up to him ultimately. He's young. He's got time to work on things and figure stuff out.

[AFhusker]

 

 

I like the situation for both of these guys. Perfect offense for Ameer. Good depth chart situation. My assumption is he's a day 1 starter, and a long time starter. He'll thrive.

Randy will have every opportunity to succeed in Dallas. They have one of, if not the best, support progrums in place to help troubled players like this.

He'll have to try really hard to get in trouble.

On the football side of it, I don't think there's a better coach for him than Rod Marinelli. Like I said before, if that guy can't get the most out of Gregory, no one can. I just hope Marinelli sticks around for a couple more years.

The support and coaching will be there, the rest is up to him.

I think they're both going to be star players.

If you mean by having "the best support system" for Randy you really mean that they turn a blind eye while they do coke and prostitutes in a Dallas hotel, then I agree with you. The only advantage the Cowboys have for Randy is that they don't care if you smoke weed or are a crack head as long as you produce. I hope he pulls his head out of his ass and gets his life strait and has a great career with someone other than the cowboys. But I don't think he will have the support needed especially if it is true that he is asking Irvin to be his mentor. Can there be a worse mentor than that crack head? [/size]

Okay, so the whole failing a drug test he knew was coming was pretty stupid and definitely a big mistake. No doubt about it. Guys that age make some bad decisions sometimes. We all did.

 

Still, how come so many of you here keep judging the kid as if you are somehow superior to him? As if you're perfect.

 

Now here in your comment, you're to even talking about this single incident, you've determined his head is up his ass and his life is a mess. What information are you using to determine that this guy needs to get his life straight? He just got done playing football for the Huskers, an elite program, and now he is a second round draft choice to the Dallas Cowboys. Seems like the guy is doing okay so far. He smokes weed, whoop dee f'ing doo. He made a mistake, he should have out the pipe down for a month before that test came around. It cost him some money for sure. He's still gonna make more money than you or I this year.

 

Sounds to me like he's making an effort to be the best he can be. However he goes about that is up to him ultimately. He's young. He's got time to work on things and figure stuff out.

 

Because you haven't read the rest of the thread where it isn't just weed, he has a coke problem and likes to disappear for days on end. If it was just a weed issue, he still would have been a first round pick. Nobody is going to take a chance on someone who skipped out on three interviews with NFL teams when millions were at stake. He has some serious addiction issues that he must take care of first before he can worry about football. And nobody is judging him, stop being so sensitive. Nobody wants him to fail, but as I just stated, he needs to get past his deamons or his abilty to pressure the QB will be irrevelant.

 

Oh and Nebraska hasn't been an elite program since Tom retired and Frank put the program in the toliet.

[True2tRA]

 

 

 

I like the situation for both of these guys. Perfect offense for Ameer. Good depth chart situation. My assumption is he's a day 1 starter, and a long time starter. He'll thrive.

Randy will have every opportunity to succeed in Dallas. They have one of, if not the best, support progrums in place to help troubled players like this.

He'll have to try really hard to get in trouble.

On the football side of it, I don't think there's a better coach for him than Rod Marinelli. Like I said before, if that guy can't get the most out of Gregory, no one can. I just hope Marinelli sticks around for a couple more years.

The support and coaching will be there, the rest is up to him.

I think they're both going to be star players.

 

If you mean by having "the best support system" for Randy you really mean that they turn a blind eye while they do coke and prostitutes in a Dallas hotel, then I agree with you. The only advantage the Cowboys have for Randy is that they don't care if you smoke weed or are a crack head as long as you produce. I hope he pulls his head out of his ass and gets his life strait and has a great career with someone other than the cowboys. But I don't think he will have the support needed especially if it is true that he is asking Irvin to be his mentor. Can there be a worse mentor than that crack head? [/size]

Okay, so the whole failing a drug test he knew was coming was pretty stupid and definitely a big mistake. No doubt about it. Guys that age make some bad decisions sometimes. We all did.

Still, how come so many of you here keep judging the kid as if you are somehow superior to him? As if you're perfect.

Now here in your comment, you're to even talking about this single incident, you've determined his head is up his ass and his life is a mess. What information are you using to determine that this guy needs to get his life straight? He just got done playing football for the Huskers, an elite program, and now he is a second round draft choice to the Dallas Cowboys. Seems like the guy is doing okay so far. He smokes weed, whoop dee f'ing doo. He made a mistake, he should have out the pipe down for a month before that test came around. It cost him some money for sure. He's still gonna make more money than you or I this year.

Sounds to me like he's making an effort to be the best he can be. However he goes about that is up to him ultimately. He's young. He's got time to work on things and figure stuff out.

Because you haven't read the rest of the thread where it isn't just weed, he has a coke problem and likes to disappear for days on end. If it was just a weed issue, he still would have been a first round pick. Nobody is going to take a chance on someone who skipped out on three interviews with NFL teams when millions were at stake. He has some serious addiction issues that he must take care of first before he can worry about football. And nobody is judging him, stop being so sensitive. Nobody wants him to fail, but as I just stated, he needs to get past his deamons or his abilty to pressure the QB will be irrevelant.

I hadnt read that he's got a cocaine problem. I also agree about the skipping the interview point you made. It sounds like Gregory is immature or makes some poor choices. Like I said, he's a young guy. Young guys do some dumb sh#t. Generally a kid like this just needs some motivation or direction.

 

You sounded very much like you're judging him. I'm not a sensitive guy. It appeared to me you were effected by all this much more than my feelings are. You're the on trashing the kid.

 

 

By the way, when in one sentence you say " The only advantage the Cowboys have for Randy is that they don't care if you smoke weed or are a crack head as long as you produce"......and then say "he needs to get past his deamons or his abilty to pressure the QB will be irrevelant" that's a hell of a contradiction there.

[The Dude]

 

 

 

 

No. Just stop.

I speak the truth.

I've never seen you back up anything you've said, to be honest.

Then you are blind, but here you go. Any more questions?

 

http://sports.gunaxin.com/ten-best-narcotic-moments-in-nfl-history/64489

The Dallas Cowboys of the 1990s were as strong, as entertaining, and as troubled as any team the NFL has known. Michael Irvin was their leader.

Now respected as a quality analyst for the NFL Network, Irvin was known for his penchant for blow and being blown when he was the top offensive weapon for quarterback Troy Aikman during championship runs under Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer. The details of Irvins party pleasures were detailed by a Penthouse Pet in the January 1997 edition of the mens magazine. My apologies as I cant find a decent link to it online. To be honest its fairly predictable Irvin likes sex with multiple women, sex is better with cocaine, and when you are trying to please multiple women for multiple nights of the week, you need cocaine LOTS of cocaine.

Thats why hes The Playmaker. Based on the history built by this league and the evolution of sexual enhancement since, you cant blame Irvin for the approach. Viagra wasnt an option and, lets face it, if you were lucky enough to have been there you would do what you had to do.

And youd walk away with one hell of a story.

 

Here's Nate Newton from the same era:

Another product of the Dallas Cowboys system of felony supremacy, Newton has an amazing case few can match in terms of ambition and profit potential (lets face it, in the NFL and in the drug czar game you either go big or you go home).

Newtons first arrest was in November of 2001 when he and two women were arrested with 213 pounds of weed in a van (down by the river yes, its funny every time). Then, in one of the craziest moves in the history of history, while out on bond six weeks later Newton was arrested again, this time alone with 175 pounds of marijuana in his truck. The next year he plead guilty to conspiracy to distrubute and possession with intent to distribute.

The plea deal got him off light again as NFL money saved the day. Newton was facing 20 years and a $1 million fine but instead pulled a 30-month stint with a $25,000 fine and 250 hours of community service (according to CNN, he lectured to students about the importance of avoiding drugs I would think lectures about the importance of not getting caught while dealing with mass amounts of drugs would have been more educational).

And some unkown dude that shows that they still turn a blind eye after the 1990's;

Hambrick would rate higher except he wasnt so good on the football field. A former running back for the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals (just like Emmitt Smith minus the confidence, the stature, the Hall of Fame career, but with more crack), Hambrick was convicted in 2007 after selling substantial amounts of crack cocaine to an undercover police officer. In fact, he sold rocks to the popo three times during September of 2007, picking up one count of selling five or more grams of crack cocaine), with two counts of distributing 50 grams or more of crack cocaine later that same month.

After hiding from the police for a small amount of time Hambrick was caught and, in May of 2008, sentenced to five years in a federal prison. All in all he sold 78 grams of crack to the police. To make matters worse, hes rumored as a snitch supposedly destined for a minimum of 10 years in prison for those crimes but, after cooperating with police, only serving five after reaching a plea agreement with authorities.

Hes in prison as we speak so the story may have more to tell in the years ahead. Stay tuned.

 

Not sure where you're going with this. Since there's some guys on that list who played for the Cowboys, the franchise is gonna let Randy run amok and turn a blind eye to it? That would be very poor handling of their investment.

 

 

They're still going to provide him with a babysitter and a body guard to make sure he's staying out of trouble and showing up to all his practices on time and what-have-you.

 

Not many teams would do that.

[AFhusker]

 

 

 

 

I like the situation for both of these guys. Perfect offense for Ameer. Good depth chart situation. My assumption is he's a day 1 starter, and a long time starter. He'll thrive.

Randy will have every opportunity to succeed in Dallas. They have one of, if not the best, support progrums in place to help troubled players like this.

He'll have to try really hard to get in trouble.

On the football side of it, I don't think there's a better coach for him than Rod Marinelli. Like I said before, if that guy can't get the most out of Gregory, no one can. I just hope Marinelli sticks around for a couple more years.

The support and coaching will be there, the rest is up to him.

I think they're both going to be star players.

If you mean by having "the best support system" for Randy you really mean that they turn a blind eye while they do coke and prostitutes in a Dallas hotel, then I agree with you. The only advantage the Cowboys have for Randy is that they don't care if you smoke weed or are a crack head as long as you produce. I hope he pulls his head out of his ass and gets his life strait and has a great career with someone other than the cowboys. But I don't think he will have the support needed especially if it is true that he is asking Irvin to be his mentor. Can there be a worse mentor than that crack head? [/size]

Okay, so the whole failing a drug test he knew was coming was pretty stupid and definitely a big mistake. No doubt about it. Guys that age make some bad decisions sometimes. We all did.

Still, how come so many of you here keep judging the kid as if you are somehow superior to him? As if you're perfect.

Now here in your comment, you're to even talking about this single incident, you've determined his head is up his ass and his life is a mess. What information are you using to determine that this guy needs to get his life straight? He just got done playing football for the Huskers, an elite program, and now he is a second round draft choice to the Dallas Cowboys. Seems like the guy is doing okay so far. He smokes weed, whoop dee f'ing doo. He made a mistake, he should have out the pipe down for a month before that test came around. It cost him some money for sure. He's still gonna make more money than you or I this year.

Sounds to me like he's making an effort to be the best he can be. However he goes about that is up to him ultimately. He's young. He's got time to work on things and figure stuff out.

Because you haven't read the rest of the thread where it isn't just weed, he has a coke problem and likes to disappear for days on end. If it was just a weed issue, he still would have been a first round pick. Nobody is going to take a chance on someone who skipped out on three interviews with NFL teams when millions were at stake. He has some serious addiction issues that he must take care of first before he can worry about football. And nobody is judging him, stop being so sensitive. Nobody wants him to fail, but as I just stated, he needs to get past his deamons or his abilty to pressure the QB will be irrevelant.

I hadnt read that he's got a cocaine problem. I also agree about the skipping the interview point you made. It sounds like Gregory is immature or makes some poor choices. Like I said, he's a young guy. Young guys do some dumb sh#t. Generally a kid like this just needs some motivation or direction.

 

You sounded very much like you're judging him. I'm not a sensitive guy. It appeared to me you were effected by all this much more than my feelings are. You're the on trashing the kid.

 

Since when is saying that the kid needs serious help "trashing" the kid? There is a difference between doing stupid kid stuff and having an addiction that he has admitted to (weed) and another that was covered up (coke). If anything I am stating that he has a serious issue that he must work through before he can worry about an NFL career and IMO Dallas is the worst place to go with thier history of turning a blind eye to this kind of stuff. Do you really think that if it was just weed that he would have fell to pick #60 with his talent?

[True2tRA]

Oh, telling someone they have their head up their ass is a term of endearment now........

 

No, he wouldn't have fallen to 60 if it was just weed. I thought it was obvious that Randy appears ready and willing to admit he's got some maturity and reliability isses. Isn't that why he's getting some extra help? Where did I debate that?

[AFhusker]

 

 

 

 

No. Just stop.

I speak the truth.

I've never seen you back up anything you've said, to be honest.

Then you are blind, but here you go. Any more questions?

 

http://sports.gunaxin.com/ten-best-narcotic-moments-in-nfl-history/64489

The Dallas Cowboys of the 1990s were as strong, as entertaining, and as troubled as any team the NFL has known. Michael Irvin was their leader.

Now respected as a quality analyst for the NFL Network, Irvin was known for his penchant for blow and being blown when he was the top offensive weapon for quarterback Troy Aikman during championship runs under Jimmy Johnson and Barry Switzer. The details of Irvins party pleasures were detailed by a Penthouse Pet in the January 1997 edition of the mens magazine. My apologies as I cant find a decent link to it online. To be honest its fairly predictable Irvin likes sex with multiple women, sex is better with cocaine, and when you are trying to please multiple women for multiple nights of the week, you need cocaine LOTS of cocaine.

Thats why hes The Playmaker. Based on the history built by this league and the evolution of sexual enhancement since, you cant blame Irvin for the approach. Viagra wasnt an option and, lets face it, if you were lucky enough to have been there you would do what you had to do.

And youd walk away with one hell of a story.

 

Here's Nate Newton from the same era:

Another product of the Dallas Cowboys system of felony supremacy, Newton has an amazing case few can match in terms of ambition and profit potential (lets face it, in the NFL and in the drug czar game you either go big or you go home).

Newtons first arrest was in November of 2001 when he and two women were arrested with 213 pounds of weed in a van (down by the river yes, its funny every time). Then, in one of the craziest moves in the history of history, while out on bond six weeks later Newton was arrested again, this time alone with 175 pounds of marijuana in his truck. The next year he plead guilty to conspiracy to distrubute and possession with intent to distribute.

The plea deal got him off light again as NFL money saved the day. Newton was facing 20 years and a $1 million fine but instead pulled a 30-month stint with a $25,000 fine and 250 hours of community service (according to CNN, he lectured to students about the importance of avoiding drugs I would think lectures about the importance of not getting caught while dealing with mass amounts of drugs would have been more educational).

And some unkown dude that shows that they still turn a blind eye after the 1990's;

Hambrick would rate higher except he wasnt so good on the football field. A former running back for the Dallas Cowboys and Arizona Cardinals (just like Emmitt Smith minus the confidence, the stature, the Hall of Fame career, but with more crack), Hambrick was convicted in 2007 after selling substantial amounts of crack cocaine to an undercover police officer. In fact, he sold rocks to the popo three times during September of 2007, picking up one count of selling five or more grams of crack cocaine), with two counts of distributing 50 grams or more of crack cocaine later that same month.

After hiding from the police for a small amount of time Hambrick was caught and, in May of 2008, sentenced to five years in a federal prison. All in all he sold 78 grams of crack to the police. To make matters worse, hes rumored as a snitch supposedly destined for a minimum of 10 years in prison for those crimes but, after cooperating with police, only serving five after reaching a plea agreement with authorities.

Hes in prison as we speak so the story may have more to tell in the years ahead. Stay tuned.

 

Not sure where you're going with this. Since there's some guys on that list who played for the Cowboys, the franchise is gonna let Randy run amok and turn a blind eye to it? That would be very poor handling of their investment.

 

 

They're still going to provide him with a babysitter and a body guard to make sure he's staying out of trouble and showing up to all his practices on time and what-have-you.

 

Not many teams would do that.

 

You stated that you have never seen me back up my posts. Well there you have it, Irvin and the Cowboys were cokeheads and there were more, but that carried the two biggest in Newton and Irvin. It won't be that much of an investment as I am sure that they will have a ton ways to cut him with minimal financial loss if he can't get past his demons. They can't be with him 24-7 and I for one don't trust the Cowboys with anything they do when it comes to player discipline. Jones is a snake that will win at all costs.

[AFhusker]

Oh, telling someone they have their head up their ass is a term of endearment now........

 

No, he wouldn't have fallen to 60 if it was just weed. I thought it was obvious that Randy appears ready and willing to admit he's got some maturity and reliability isses. Isn't that why he's getting some extra help? Where did I debate that?

 

What do you call it if he doesn't have his head up his ass that cost him millions? Or are we only allowed to play with the kiddie gloves on here and we can't be blunt about the situation?

[The Dude]

http://www.baltimorebeatdown.com/2012/6/16/3091726/which-nfl-team-has-the-highest-amount-of-arrests-since-2000

 

[True2tRA]

 

Oh, telling someone they have their head up their ass is a term of endearment now........

No, he wouldn't have fallen to 60 if it was just weed. I thought it was obvious that Randy appears ready and willing to admit he's got some maturity and reliability isses. Isn't that why he's getting some extra help? Where did I debate that?

 

What do you call it if he doesn't have his head up his ass that cost him millions? Or are we only allowed to play with the kiddie gloves on here and we can't be blunt about the situation?

 

Heh-Heh He said "blunt".......

 

[The Dude]

 

 

Oh, telling someone they have their head up their ass is a term of endearment now........

 

No, he wouldn't have fallen to 60 if it was just weed. I thought it was obvious that Randy appears ready and willing to admit he's got some maturity and reliability isses. Isn't that why he's getting some extra help? Where did I debate that?

 

What do you call it if he doesn't have his head up his ass that cost him millions? Or are we only allowed to play with the kiddie gloves on here and we can't be blunt about the situation?

I don't think you understand addiction very well. It's easy to pass judgement when you're not the one dealing with it.

 

Obviously, if what you say is true, he made some poor decisions, but some people are just more prone to addiction. If he's really trying to get clean and turn over a new leaf, I'd say that's the opposite of having his head up his ass.

[KazLong]

Kenny Bell.

[RunMickeyRun02]

With Gregory, lots of rumor, lots of mystery, lots of pressure, lots of bad attention, to many unknowns, so I have to go with the guy I feel like I know more about. I hope I'm wrong and I hope he turns into a monster (the good kind) and I'll be pulling for him even though he's a Cowboy and therefore hard for me to do so.

 

Abs will have a better career. Size isn't as big a deal at RB as it is at LB. Cory Ross found a niche with the Ravens for 3 or 4 years. Their are lots of cases were it's good to be able to "hide" behind the offensive line and then bust out.

 

The RB committee thing works in Abs. I never really expected undrafted Burkhead or Woodhead to last this long and they did and he won't have to scratch and claw his way onto a roster as an UDFA.

 

As long as he can pass pro and catch out of the backfield someone will always have a home for him.

[The Dude]

Gregory will wear #99 and Abdullah #21 if you guys cared.

Gregory going with #94. Same number as Charles Haley and DeMarcus Ware. Big shoes to fill.

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[TGHusker]

I think AA. He has the shown the character and work ethic and drive to succeed at NU. Remember, he was recruited with 2 other higher rated backs and and worked hard to insert himself as the back up for T-Rex and then the eventual starter. I think in the Detroit O he will do well - catching passes in space and turning it on. He doesn't have to be a every down back (taking all of those hits) to be successful. If he can find a spot in punt returns, kick off returns and as a pass catcher - he'll have a long career.

Gregory - I'm not sure he has the same drive. He has other demons he is dealing with. I hope he overcomes those and that Dallas can become a good place for him to do so. I wish him well.