The Repub Debate

[BigRedBuster]

 

Well, she is acting sort of desperate for some reason.

How so?

 

My comment came from what the article is about. She is working hard to claim something that just isn't true. Bush's immigration views are not the same as Trumps. But, she is trying to tie the two together in an effort to discredit all Republican candidates based on what the idiot is saying. No need to claim something that is so blatantly not true unless she is actually concerned.

 

Meanwhile, she really needs to be more concerned about Sanders or Uncle Joe.

No. She really doesn't. The GOP (when they aren't whining about a "coronation") desperately wants to make her appear weak by trumpeting every challenger. Nothing is more boring to the political media than a done deal . . . so they're desperately pretending that Hillary is in genuine danger of losing the primary. Think about the motivations behind the hot takes.

 

Any Democratic candidate would leap at the chance to switch places with Hillary, and with good reason.

 

Sure.....they would love to be in her shoes due to her leading for right now. However, Sanders has gained a lot of ground and continues to do so. And, Uncle Joe hasn't even gotten into the race yet.

She has gone from around 65% in March to 45% recently. Meanwhile Sanders has gone from 0% to 22.5% pretty fast. Biden is sitting at 12-13% without even campaigning yet.

 

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[TGHusker]

 

Well, she is acting sort of desperate for some reason.

How so?

 

Meanwhile, she really needs to be more concerned about Sanders or Uncle Joe.

No. She really doesn't. The GOP (when they aren't whining about a "coronation") desperately wants to make her appear weak by trumpeting every challenger. Nothing is more boring to the political media than a done deal . . . so they're desperately pretending that Hillary is in genuine danger of losing the primary. Think about the motivations behind the hot takes.

 

Any Democratic candidate would leap at the chance to switch places with Hillary, and with good reason.

 

One thing for sure, Carl, you are a true believer. Uncle Joe is about to get into the ring wt Obama's blessing. While Joe is the clown in the race, he will be preferable by many who see Hillary as the liar in the race. Contrast the image - Happy Uncle Joe vs cranky lemon face Aunt Hillary. Either way, when Joe gets in - I suspect the fur and the fake hair will start flying and will hopefully take Trump out of the news - maybe then the repub primary voters can start looking at the other guys.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

Well, she is acting sort of desperate for some reason.

How so?

 

Meanwhile, she really needs to be more concerned about Sanders or Uncle Joe.

No. She really doesn't. The GOP (when they aren't whining about a "coronation") desperately wants to make her appear weak by trumpeting every challenger. Nothing is more boring to the political media than a done deal . . . so they're desperately pretending that Hillary is in genuine danger of losing the primary. Think about the motivations behind the hot takes.

 

Any Democratic candidate would leap at the chance to switch places with Hillary, and with good reason.

 

One thing for sure, Carl, you are a true believer. Uncle Joe is about to get into the ring wt Obama's blessing. While Joe is the clown in the race, he will be preferable by many who see Hillary as the liar in the race. Contrast the image - Happy Uncle Joe vs cranky lemon face Aunt Hillary. Either way, when Joe gets in - I suspect the fur and the fake hair will start flying and will hopefully take Trump out of the news - maybe then the repub primary voters can start looking at the other guys.

 

Uncle Joe isn't going to take much from Sanders. he is going to take it from Hillary.

[Landlord]

It would be an absolutely herculean effort, combined with the most fortunate set of circumstances imagineable for Sanders to overtake Hilary. I'm totally on his train, but the reality is that he has probably a 2-5% chance of getting the nomination.

[carlfense]

One thing for sure, Carl, you are a true believer. Uncle Joe is about to get into the ring wt Obama's blessing. While Joe is the clown in the race, he will be preferable by many who see Hillary as the liar in the race. Contrast the image - Happy Uncle Joe vs cranky lemon face Aunt Hillary. Either way, when Joe gets in - I suspect the fur and the fake hair will start flying and will hopefully take Trump out of the news - maybe then the repub primary voters can start looking at the other guys.

Not really. I'm not much of a Hillary fan. She's OK.

 

Wait and see what happens, eh? I'll try to not drop too many "told ya so's."

[carlfense]

 

 

Well, she is acting sort of desperate for some reason.

How so?

 

My comment came from what the article is about. She is working hard to claim something that just isn't true. Bush's immigration views are not the same as Trumps. But, she is trying to tie the two together in an effort to discredit all Republican candidates based on what the idiot is saying. No need to claim something that is so blatantly not true unless she is actually concerned.

 

Meanwhile, she really needs to be more concerned about Sanders or Uncle Joe.

No. She really doesn't. The GOP (when they aren't whining about a "coronation") desperately wants to make her appear weak by trumpeting every challenger. Nothing is more boring to the political media than a done deal . . . so they're desperately pretending that Hillary is in genuine danger of losing the primary. Think about the motivations behind the hot takes.

 

Any Democratic candidate would leap at the chance to switch places with Hillary, and with good reason.

 

Sure.....they would love to be in her shoes due to her leading for right now. However, Sanders has gained a lot of ground and continues to do so. And, Uncle Joe hasn't even gotten into the race yet.

She has gone from around 65% in March to 45% recently. Meanwhile Sanders has gone from 0% to 22.5% pretty fast. Biden is sitting at 12-13% without even campaigning yet.

 

LINK

 

It's not just her poll numbers that show the magnitude of her lead. It's her fundraising. It's her endorsements. Etc. She might be the strongest non-incumbent frontrunner at this point in the race in the past ~decade+.

 

Of course she's going to try to tie Jeb W. to Trump. If it works it weakens her most likely general election opponent. Does the constant sniping at Hillary by the GOP candidates show how concerned they are at her strength or their own weakness? I'd say no . . . it shows that they know what most of us know . . . she is going to win the nomination.

[carlfense]

Uncle Joe isn't going to take much from Sanders. he is going to take it from Hillary.

Which Hillary voters, and why?

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

Well, she is acting sort of desperate for some reason.

How so?

 

My comment came from what the article is about. She is working hard to claim something that just isn't true. Bush's immigration views are not the same as Trumps. But, she is trying to tie the two together in an effort to discredit all Republican candidates based on what the idiot is saying. No need to claim something that is so blatantly not true unless she is actually concerned.

 

Meanwhile, she really needs to be more concerned about Sanders or Uncle Joe.

No. She really doesn't. The GOP (when they aren't whining about a "coronation") desperately wants to make her appear weak by trumpeting every challenger. Nothing is more boring to the political media than a done deal . . . so they're desperately pretending that Hillary is in genuine danger of losing the primary. Think about the motivations behind the hot takes.

 

Any Democratic candidate would leap at the chance to switch places with Hillary, and with good reason.

 

Sure.....they would love to be in her shoes due to her leading for right now. However, Sanders has gained a lot of ground and continues to do so. And, Uncle Joe hasn't even gotten into the race yet.

She has gone from around 65% in March to 45% recently. Meanwhile Sanders has gone from 0% to 22.5% pretty fast. Biden is sitting at 12-13% without even campaigning yet.

 

LINK

 

It's not just her poll numbers that show the magnitude of her lead. It's her fundraising. It's her endorsements. Etc. She might be the strongest non-incumbent frontrunner at this point in the race in the past ~decade+.

 

Of course she's going to try to tie Jeb W. to Trump. If it works it weakens her most likely general election opponent. Does the constant sniping at Hillary by the GOP candidates show how concerned they are at her strength or their own weakness? I'd say no . . . it shows that they know what most of us know . . . she is going to win the nomination.

 

If you're talking about someone making something up about her...then yes. If you are talking about someone who is pointing out valid concerns or issues...then no.

 

The point is, she does't need to be making stuff up. She is in the lead. Any candidate making stuff up just looks desperate.

[BigRedBuster]

 

Uncle Joe isn't going to take much from Sanders. he is going to take it from Hillary.

Which Hillary voters, and why?

 

Sanders is a very liberal, self proclaimed socialist. That is only going to appeal to certain voters. To a certain extent, it's no different than the idiots claiming they support Trump. Those voters only want a certain type of candidate that appeals to their views.

 

Someone like Hillary or Uncle Joe, appeal to a more broad Democratic voter. One who leans left but is looking for more of an established candidate. To an extent, Hillary is like Bush. We know what we get with them because they have been in politics for a long time. We are familiar with the families and any baggage the bring along. Trump and Sanders are wild cards that appeal to voters that don't want that "familiar" candidate.

 

So, if/when Joe gets in the race, he is going to appeal to more of the Hillary voters than Sanders voters.

 

And...he will be able to take some of Hillary's donations, endorsements...etc.

[carlfense]

 

 

Uncle Joe isn't going to take much from Sanders. he is going to take it from Hillary.

Which Hillary voters, and why?

 

Sanders is a very liberal, self proclaimed socialist. That is only going to appeal to certain voters. To a certain extent, it's no different than the idiots claiming they support Trump. Those voters only want a certain type of candidate that appeals to their views.

 

Someone like Hillary or Uncle Joe, appeal to a more broad Democratic voter. One who leans left but is looking for more of an established candidate. To an extent, Hillary is like Bush. We know what we get with them because they have been in politics for a long time. We are familiar with the families and any baggage the bring along. Trump and Sanders are wild cards that appeal to voters that don't want that "familiar" candidate.

 

So, if/when Joe gets in the race, he is going to appeal to more of the Hillary voters than Sanders voters.

 

And...he will be able to take some of Hillary's donations, endorsements...etc.

 

But why would they support Joe over Hillary? Because he's "happy" like someone noted above?

 

(And your last line sort of glosses over the fact that so many people have already endorsed Hillary, pledged those donations, etc. Even if Biden decides to enter the race he is starting with a diminished field of potential donors and supporters.)

[carlfense]

The point is, she does't need to be making stuff up. She is in the lead. Any candidate making stuff up just looks desperate.

Ah. She's desperate. Gotcha.

[BigRedBuster]

 

The point is, she does't need to be making stuff up. She is in the lead. Any candidate making stuff up just looks desperate.

Ah. She's desperate. Gotcha.

 

No, my original post said she is "acting deperate". In this post I said she "looks desperate". You would have to ask her if she "is desperate".

 

Big difference.

[BigRedBuster]

 

 

 

Uncle Joe isn't going to take much from Sanders. he is going to take it from Hillary.

Which Hillary voters, and why?

 

Sanders is a very liberal, self proclaimed socialist. That is only going to appeal to certain voters. To a certain extent, it's no different than the idiots claiming they support Trump. Those voters only want a certain type of candidate that appeals to their views.

 

Someone like Hillary or Uncle Joe, appeal to a more broad Democratic voter. One who leans left but is looking for more of an established candidate. To an extent, Hillary is like Bush. We know what we get with them because they have been in politics for a long time. We are familiar with the families and any baggage the bring along. Trump and Sanders are wild cards that appeal to voters that don't want that "familiar" candidate.

 

So, if/when Joe gets in the race, he is going to appeal to more of the Hillary voters than Sanders voters.

 

And...he will be able to take some of Hillary's donations, endorsements...etc.

 

But why would they support Joe over Hillary? Because he's "happy" like someone noted above?

 

(And your last line sort of glosses over the fact that so many people have already endorsed Hillary, pledged those donations, etc. Even if Biden decides to enter the race he is starting with a diminished field of potential donors and supporters.)

 

These candidates are not done asking and collecting money or getting endorsements.

 

I guess you would have to ask them why they would want Joe over Hillary. I can't find much appealing with either of them.

 

All i'm saying is that Joe is more like Hillary than Sanders.

[carlfense]

These candidates are not done asking and collecting money or getting endorsements.

That's true . . . but these people aren't going to jump ship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

 

(For example, looks like HRC already has endorsements from all but about ten Democratic senators. Here's the GOP side if you'd like to see the contrast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016)

 

All i'm saying is that Joe is more like Hillary than Sanders.

I agree . . . but he'd have to offer something that she doesn't if he wants to beat her and I don't know what that would be.

[BigRedBuster]

 

These candidates are not done asking and collecting money or getting endorsements.

That's true . . . but these people aren't going to jump ship: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

 

(For example, looks like HRC already has endorsements from all but about ten Democratic senators. Here's the GOP side if you'd like to see the contrast: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endorsements_for_the_Republican_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016)

 

All i'm saying is that Joe is more like Hillary than Sanders.

I agree . . . but he'd have to offer something that she doesn't if he wants to beat her and I don't know what that would be.

 

Yes, people do change their endorsements. If a Senator starts to think that Uncle Joe is more electable due to all of Hillary's baggage, they might switch.

 

He wouldn't necessarily have to offer anything different as far as issues. But, just be more electable.