Democratic Election Thread

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Feel the Bern in NY today, baby!

 

 

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Dang you Billary! The Bern needed to do better in NY, thought he would. Still, he got 108 of the pledged delegates which, I suppose, barely keeps him in the race. Super delegates and closed primaries are killing him though. The system's rigged!

[HuskerShark]

Dang you Billary! The Bern needed to do better in NY, thought he would. Still, he got 108 of the pledged delegates which, I suppose, barely keeps him in the race. Super delegates and closed primaries are killing him though. The system's rigged!

 

So when Trump gets screwed by the system, you tell him to suck it up. But when Bernie gets screwed by the system, you admit it's rigged...

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Dang you Billary! The Bern needed to do better in NY, thought he would. Still, he got 108 of the pledged delegates which, I suppose, barely keeps him in the race. Super delegates and closed primaries are killing him though. The system's rigged!

 

So when Trump gets screwed by the system, you tell him to suck it up. But when Bernie gets screwed by the system, you admit it's rigged...

 

It's rigged on the Pub side too, I've never denied it. The difference is, and maybe I haven't made it clear enough, that Drumpf is a big time pc o' sh#t that I was hoping would lose and Bernie is awesome. Guess the People's Revolution will have to continue on from the grassroots up apart from the Dem And Pub Parties. Probably better that way.

 

Hope that clarifies things.

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Bernie Sanders' campaign on Tuesday called reports of voting irregularities in New York state "a disgrace" as local officials rushed to condemn the city Board of Elections for stripping more than 125,000 Democratic voters from the rolls.

"It is absurd that in Brooklyn, New York -- where I was born, actually -- tens of thousands of people as I understand it, have been purged from the voting rolls," Sanders said during an evening campaign rally at Penn State University.

In an email to CNN, Sanders spokesman Karthik Ganapathy called the state's handling of the primary a "shameful demonstration."

"From long lines and dramatic understaffing to longtime voters being forced to cast affidavit ballots and thousands of registered New Yorkers being dropped from the rolls, what's happening today is a disgrace," he said.

Election Justice USA, a voter rights organization, told CNN it will go to Federal District Court in Brooklyn on Wednesday morning as part of an effort to have provisional ballots from voters disenfranchised by the Board of Elections counted before the primary results are certified.....New York Mayor Bill de Blasio, a Hillary Clinton supporter, called for major reforms to the Board of Elections as a series of snafus continued to bubble up, including reports of the errant "purge" in Brooklyn.

"It has been reported to us from voters and voting rights monitors that the voting lists in Brooklyn contain numerous errors, including the purging of entire buildings and blocks of voters from the voting lists," de Blasio said in a statement Tuesday calling on the board to "reverse that purge."

"The perception that numerous voters may have been disenfranchised undermines the integrity of the entire electoral process and must be fixed," he said

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/19/politics/new-york-primary-voter-problem-polls-sanders-de-blasio/

[HuskerShark]

I'd absolutely agree with what he's saying. Our political system is super corrupt.

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I'd absolutely agree with what he's saying. Our political system is super corrupt.

They've been doing all kinds of voter suppression around the country, Pubs especially.

[TGHusker]

I agree it is a mess. The repubs establishment and the dems establishments are doing all they can do to prevent a popular voter uprising. Trump from one angle and Bernie from the other. Maybe a 3rd party of Trump/Bernie!! Now wouldn't that be funny. I'm as you know am not a Trump fan - so I don't want him on the ticket period. Again we see to different angles attacking the same problem- from the left and from the right. It would be nice to find a 'coalition' candidate who could provide cover for both sides - you may not get all you want on the left or the right but you get something. I think there are many conservatives and many liberals who are tired of big banks and corporations controlling the political system. If we weren't so blinded by our differences, I bet we could find enough common ground to make some progress - if people were willing to compromise. I think it is a foregone conclusion now that Hillary gets the nomination. My hope is that the repub goes to the 2nd ballot and both Trump and Cruz are surprised - Kasich becomes the compromise nominee. He isn't perfect but he seems to be the sanest of the group. I think he'd be more willing to get things done wt both sides. Hillary will turn it into one partisan funding machine for her foundation some how.

[Danny Bateman]

Arizona was a clusterf--- as well. According to the NYC BOE, 126K voters were removed from the rolls prior to the election. 12K moved, 44K were moved from active to inactive voter status, and 70K were cleared from the inactive voter list. I'm not sure we'll ever get the total number of people who were actually unable to vote that wanted to-- this would be useful information. I guarantee you all 126K of those voters didn't try to vote.

Regardless, there's been more talk of during this election than I can remember, and there's a lot that needs cleaned up.

 

Corn, I think Sanders underestimates how much his supporters casually throwing around the term "People's revolution." Bernie probably ascertained this early on and opted for "political revolution" instead. It's actually kind of funny from the outside looking in to try to watch him lead a socialist revolution without being able to outwardly call it such. However, I feel like enough people have sniffed out what "political revolution" really means and have misgivings about it, and that leads to the voting being what it has to this point.

I agree with you it's much better to affect this type of change from the bottom up than the top down, though. But will Bernie be able to sustain this movement from the Berners, or will it flame out in a swath of apathy if he loses?

[AR Husker Fan]

I agree it is a mess. The repubs establishment and the dems establishments are doing all they can do to prevent a popular voter uprising. Trump from one angle and Bernie from the other. Maybe a 3rd party of Trump/Bernie!! Now wouldn't that be funny. I'm as you know am not a Trump fan - so I don't want him on the ticket period. Again we see to different angles attacking the same problem- from the left and from the right. It would be nice to find a 'coalition' candidate who could provide cover for both sides - you may not get all you want on the left or the right but you get something. I think there are many conservatives and many liberals who are tired of big banks and corporations controlling the political system. If we weren't so blinded by our differences, I bet we could find enough common ground to make some progress - if people were willing to compromise. I think it is a foregone conclusion now that Hillary gets the nomination. My hope is that the repub goes to the 2nd ballot and both Trump and Cruz are surprised - Kasich becomes the compromise nominee. He isn't perfect but he seems to be the sanest of the group. I think he'd be more willing to get things done wt both sides. Hillary will turn it into one partisan funding machine for her foundation some how.

Unless Kasich can win at least eight states, under the RNC's Rule 40 he can't be nominated.

[TGHusker]

Bernie may need Elizabeth Warren to take up the mantle. The best thing for the socialism movement would be a Trump presidency and the best thing for the conservative movement would be a Hillary presidency - long term. The conservatives could point out that Trump was not a conservative - and rightly so - after he gets trounced by Hilary. The socialists could point out the fascism of Trump and point the nation towards their spectrum of ideas. As it is we will have 2 establishment types - one overtly (Hillary) and one covertly. Trump who played all of the establishment games until he 'converted' to conservatism just in time to run, is running as an outsider and the establishment is not for him - but I think once he gets in as president, he'll make all of the deals wt the establishment - he isn't a true believer - he will make 'deals'. . I'd hate to see it be another 8 years before we have an opportunity to see 2 candidates free of the establishment mark.

[AR Husker Fan]

 

The beginning of the end...

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This was a really good piece on President Obama's recent commencement speech, and it articulates my thoughts very well. From the speech itself --

 

"Democracy requires compromise, even when you are 100% right. This is hard to explain sometimes. You can be completely right and you still have to engage folks who disagree with you. If you think that the only way forward is to be as uncompromising as possible, you will feel good about yourself, you will enjoy a certain moral security, but you will not get what you want."

Indeed, as the article later summarizes:

 

Those who pile on to popular cynical narratives effectively handicap our agents of change. Cynicism only breeds more cynicism — which undermines progress, leading to further cynicism.

It's a crazy world we live in where Donald Trump's puerile rhetoric lands him one of the major tickets in the race, but it is our world -- and anything we could hope to accomplish is still going to involve engaging and building common ground with the people (and their elected representatives) who are supporting folks like him.

[Danny Bateman]

I think that pretty much sums up why I cannot understand Cruz and his Tea Party fellows' stratagem, or that of Sanders to flush out the Republicans and the Democrats who aren't far enough left to support his plans. I do not think the endgoal should be to wipe out the people who disagree with you. I think it's much more effective to engage them, critically evaluate their position and where your own may be weak, and find some middle ground for the good of everyone.

 

As much as I openly think Clinton is the best and only acceptable choice at this point, she herself is definitely guilty of vilifying the Republicans. She's running against them as much as she is running for the Democrats. I can't say I blame her, given all the sh#t she's had shoveled at her from the other side of the aisle through the years.

But that shouldn't be how we strive to operate our government. I'm firm in my belief of that.

[BigRedBuster]

I think that pretty much sums up why I cannot understand Cruz and his Tea Party fellows' stratagem, or that of Sanders to flush out the Republicans and the Democrats who aren't far enough left to support his plans. I do not think the endgoal should be to wipe out the people who disagree with you. I think it's much more effective to engage them, critically evaluate their position and where your own may be weak, and find some middle ground for the good of everyone.

 

As much as I openly think Clinton is the best and only acceptable choice at this point, she herself is definitely guilty of vilifying the Republicans. She's running against them as much as she is running for the Democrats. I can't say I blame her, given all the sh#t she's had shoveled at her from the other side of the aisle through the years.

 

But that shouldn't be how we strive to operate our government. I'm firm in my belief of that.

You just summed up the tea party and now Sanders supporters.

 

When the tea party came to be, for some reason these people think that everyone who doesn't agree with everything they agree with needs to be eradicated from everywhere because those people obviously have a hidden agenda to destroying America.

 

Now, we see that same characteristic in the Trump followers but it's been ramped up. Now, under Trump, it's OK to be violent against people who you disagree with.