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X & Corn - do you see Berine's age as an issue (I know you personally don't but maybe the general election voters may)- 105 or I mean 75 now. I know in 1980 that was raised as an issue and again in 84 against Reagan (who skillfully turned that issue against Mondale in the debate wt his famous line). I know 75 is the new 65 and all of that but do you think it will become an issue?

 

Undoubtedly, but John McCain was getting up there as well when he ran, and that after a bout with skin cancer. Nobody can tell the future when it comes to those things. The stresses of being president could give any of these people a heart attack pretty much at any time. I think if Bernie gets the nomination, his vice presidential selection had better be good.

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X & Corn - do you see Berine's age as an issue (I know you personally don't but maybe the general election voters may)- 105 or I mean 75 now. I know in 1980 that was raised as an issue and again in 84 against Reagan (who skillfully turned that issue against Mondale in the debate wt his famous line). I know 75 is the new 65 and all of that but do you think it will become an issue?

 

Undoubtedly, but John McCain was getting up there as well when he ran, and that after a bout with skin cancer. Nobody can tell the future when it comes to those things. The stresses of being president could give any of these people a heart attack pretty much at any time. I think if Bernie gets the nomination, his vice presidential selection had better be good.

 

 

 

 

X, do you see this any differently than me in thinking that Bernie has better than 5% odds to actually get the nomination?

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X & Corn - do you see Berine's age as an issue (I know you personally don't but maybe the general election voters may)- 105 or I mean 75 now. I know in 1980 that was raised as an issue and again in 84 against Reagan (who skillfully turned that issue against Mondale in the debate wt his famous line). I know 75 is the new 65 and all of that but do you think it will become an issue?

 

Undoubtedly, but John McCain was getting up there as well when he ran, and that after a bout with skin cancer. Nobody can tell the future when it comes to those things. The stresses of being president could give any of these people a heart attack pretty much at any time. I think if Bernie gets the nomination, his vice presidential selection had better be good.

 

 

 

 

X, do you see this any differently than me in thinking that Bernie has better than 5% odds to actually get the nomination?

 

 

I don't know if I can put a number on it. He's closing in in Iowa and New Hampshire and the debates haven't happened. If people get behind Bernie in a big enough way to win an election, it will likely mean a mass uprising. Hard to predict or account for all the variables in something like that.

 

Mostly I think that if we want to see Bernie elected, all of who back him better get off our asses and do something about it.

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I took a phone survey for Quinnipiac today, and when the question came up about who I was likely to support (I forget the exact wording), Biden's name came up.

 

This is both astounding and frustrating, because as of today, 8/30/15, Joe Biden hasn't announced a candidacy. He's not in the race. No one could stand for him in the caucuses or vote in the primary because his name would not be on the ballot. This has been going on for months. Polls continue to rank participants that aren't participating. I don't know if this is a common scene in the political world, but it smacks of a serious agenda.

 

You haven't been around polls for very long I take it. This type of stuff happens all the time. When Romney was toying with the idea of running again earlier this year, many polls came out with and without him as a candidate. This happened all the time with Jeb Bush as a candidate well before he declared in June of this year.

 

What it does is provide a snapshot of what the race might look like with another big name in it. It's hard to find a bigger name than a sitting VP.

 

 

If it's one poll, or five polls, or ten polls, fine. Like I already said, early in the race when contenders are still mulling, it's understandable. Right now polling data seriously affects the trajectory of campaigns. If you go to RealClearPolitics today, you will see Biden hanging beneath Clinton and Sanders at 14%––with no asterisk or caveat or anything. Why are we not seeing the poll where that 14% is being distributed among actual candidates? In my view they should be limiting major national polls (internal campaign pollsters could put Santa Clause on the list for all I care) to the candidates who have declared. If nothing else, it's for the sake of accuracy.

 

 

Well, this is how the media skews election results, whether it's through polling or their coverage. In 2007/2008, the media fell in love with Obama and this was to Hillary's detriment. Obama was the chosen one that year. Regarding polling, in 2007 Cheney was in many polls despite the fact he was adamant he was not going to run. Guiliani was in many polls before he ever declared. Media loves to make these events a horse race.

 

One of the primary reasons Trump has gotten to the lead is the non-stop media coverage of him. They have given him the platform to drown out all other candidates. But much of these early polls have little to do with actual results when the voting begins.

 

I take it you are not a Biden supporter?

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Well, this is how the media skews election results, whether it's through polling or their coverage. In 2007/2008, the media fell in love with Obama and this was to Hillary's detriment. Obama was the chosen one that year. Regarding polling, in 2007 Cheney was in many polls despite the fact he was adamant he was not going to run. Guiliani was in many polls before he ever declared. Media loves to make these events a horse race.

 

One of the primary reasons Trump has gotten to the lead is the non-stop media coverage of him. They have given him the platform to drown out all other candidates. But much of these early polls have little to do with actual results when the voting begins.

 

I take it you are not a Biden supporter?

 

I certainly don't hate the guy, and I'd be willing to consider his stances/arguments if he runs. Due diligence and all that. It's just extremely late in the game. I don't see a pathway to victory, and neither does anyone else. The narrative that the establishment democrats are trying to protect Hillary I think is missing the mark a bit. When they urge against him running, it has a lot to do with fundraising and time––or how little of it is left to mount a plausible bid for the White House. We turned the calendar to September today. That leaves a little less than six months to accomplish a hell of a lot.

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I don't know if I can put a number on it. He's closing in in Iowa and New Hampshire and the debates haven't happened. If people get behind Bernie in a big enough way to win an election, it will likely mean a mass uprising. Hard to predict or account for all the variables in something like that.

 

Mostly I think that if we want to see Bernie elected, all of who back him better get off our asses and do something about it.

 

 

 

 

Yeah but then what? Even if he somehow won Iowa and New Hampshire, that's because those states are almost entirely full of white liberals, who are the only people he has any ground with. He has like 5% support in the black community.

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I don't know if I can put a number on it. He's closing in in Iowa and New Hampshire and the debates haven't happened. If people get behind Bernie in a big enough way to win an election, it will likely mean a mass uprising. Hard to predict or account for all the variables in something like that.

 

Mostly I think that if we want to see Bernie elected, all of who back him better get off our asses and do something about it.

 

 

Yeah but then what? Even if he somehow won Iowa and New Hampshire, that's because those states are almost entirely full of white liberals, who are the only people he has any ground with. He has like 5% support in the black community.

 

Yeah and that's one of Nate Silver's bullet points on why he can't/won't win the nomination. Clearly he has some heavy lifting to do. The thing is, he does have some time to do it. We haven't even really gotten to the point where most Americans are paying attention to the election––except maybe to gawk at Trump––so if a major grassroots movement emerges (say at this march on Washington he has planned a few days after the first debate), he could move the needle. I don't know how much of the black vote dislikes Bernie Sanders and how much of it is people simply not knowing him from Adam. Hillary Clinton is like the Coca Cola of Democratic politicians. Not hard to say you favor her when she's the only person you've ever heard of in the race.

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LOL....a day after she claimed she will NOT apologize for the email accounts.

 

New York (CNN)Democratic presidential front-runner Hillary Clinton said Tuesday she is "sorry" for using a private email server, going further than ever before to express remorse for the controversy that has rocked her campaign.

"I'm sorry about that," Clinton said in an at-times emotional interview on ABC News' "World News Tonight with David Muir," acknowledging that she should have used separate accounts for work and personal business. "I take responsibility and I am trying to be as transparent as I possibly can."

 

 

 

But, then later, she lets it known really why she was "sorry".

 

Clinton later issued a slightly different apology in the interview, saying she was "sorry that it has raised all these questions."

 

Once again....Not sorry she did something she shouldn't have but sorry she got caught and it "raised all these questions".

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Hillary keeps going down and Sanders and Biden keep going up.

 

HUFFY LINKY

 

Not a good trend for the queen bee.

 

Republicans will be celebrating if Sanders (a Socialist) continues to rise and gets the nomination, just as Democrats are hoping that the GOP is stupid enough to nominate Trump. If Hillary falls out, you are left with the Democrats having two old white guys to step in and take her spot.

Which is the party of old white-haired white guys?

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Any chance O'Malley picks up any steam? He probably feels like some of the repub candidates - The Bern has taken all of his thunder as the anti-Hillary candidate in the same way The Donald has taken the steam out of most of the repub candidates who are struggling for air - air time. Note how Bobby Jindal came out wt a bunch of name calling against Trump just to get some air time (and he was also truthful about Trump being who he is - nothing but a Trump lover)

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Any chance O'Malley picks up any steam? He probably feels like some of the repub candidates - The Bern has taken all of his thunder as the anti-Hillary candidate in the same way The Donald has taken the steam out of most of the repub candidates who are struggling for air - air time. Note how Bobby Jindal came out wt a bunch of name calling against Trump just to get some air time (and he was also truthful about Trump being who he is - nothing but a Trump lover)

O'Malley made a very clever vid re: Wall St.

 

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