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More lies in the 2nd debate from the Repubiklan Fascist Liar Party than you can shake a stick at, but in Murica, facts don't matter anymore.

 

Fiorina:--No Carly, there is no 'harvest' vid as she so grotesquely described, it doesn't exist. She made it up. I challenge anyone here to produce it.

--While at HP, Firorian was actively selling computers, etc, to the 'hated' Iran gov't, which was illegal at the time, according to embargo rules.

 

Rubio--Nice story about his grand dad 'escaping' Cuba under persecution from Castro, except for one thing: his grand dad immigrated to the U.S before Castro took power in Cuba.

 

Trump: Yes, he did declare bankruptcy at least 4 times and he did try and get casino deals in FL, though he denies it was through Bush.

 

Bush: Well, he lied about his hgt to a photo

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(tiptoes)

 

Carson: What anesthetic is this guy on? Seems he was putting himself to sleep.

 

Cruz(Cross, Crucifix): somebody please adopt this guy, would you?

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Anyway, Murica, if this is the best you can do, you have serious issues.

 

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Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

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More lies in the 2nd debate from the Repubiklan Fascist Liar Party than you can shake a stick at, but in Murica, facts don't matter anymore.

 

Fiorina:--No Carly, there is no 'harvest' vid as she so grotesquely described, it doesn't exist. She made it up. I challenge anyone here to produce it.

--While at HP, Firorian was actively selling computers, etc, to the 'hated' Iran gov't, which was illegal at the time, according to embargo rules.

 

Rubio--Nice story about his grand dad 'escaping' Cuba under persecution from Castro, except for one thing: his grand dad immigrated to the U.S before Castro took power in Cuba.

 

Trump: Yes, he did declare bankruptcy at least 4 times and he did try and get casino deals in FL, though he denies it was through Bush.

 

Bush: Well, he lied about his hgt to a photo

2C66BF9B00000578-3239510-image-m-2_14425

(tiptoes)

 

Carson: What anesthetic is this guy on? Seems he was putting himself to sleep.

 

Cruz(Cross, Crucifix): somebody please adopt this guy, would you?

RTX1H57C.jpg?1436900111

sp7.jpg

 

Anyway, Murica, if this is the best you can do, you have serious issues.

 

murica-citizen-walmart-scooter.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

 

Well, thanks for that, I didn't watch it as I don't like the sight of blood, especially when it comes to fetuses or babies. 1st of all, the FED does not fund abortions for PP or as part of Obamacare, but somehow that fact keeps disappearing within the right wing media and constituency. Abortions are also less than 3% of what PP does. Like I said, facts don't matter in Murica. 2nd, fetal tissue has been used for decades for scientific, medical research, so why is this such a big deal now? Well, it's called sensationalism and radical Christian right wing agenda that is fueling the politicians who are basically hypocrits since if their daughters and what not wanted an abortion, it's highly likely that they're going to get it, albeit by some more expensive, clandestine, and circuitous route. Has the MSM given PP a national television platform to defend themselves or give their side of the story? Of course not, because the right wing controls the media. PP serves mostly low income women of color so there's also the classist/racist component fueling the hate as well. More war on the poor. Also, I still don't understand how you can shut down an entire gov't over this issue--or any issue--but the right seems bent on holding the country hostage whenever it can.

 

I personally do not favor late term abortion or the "selling of body parts", persay, but it has been small part of the industry of modern medicine for some time so they gotta look at the whole thing rather than just PP. It's not logical to shut down an entire organization for a singular issue: you reform that issue. But the radical right wingers are on a rampage, wanting to force a woman to continue a pregnancy--regardless of circumstances--by gunpoint, evidently.

 

Not being a Hillary supporter, I am not sure as to her position on late term abortion--she supports "right to choose" though. Bernie is my man and I am also not sure on his position on late term abortion, but he supports women's "right to choose". The democratic party as a whole--recognizing reality, and not recognizing religious bigotry--is pro choice.

 

Lastly, the scenario described by Fiorina, implying that they are harvesting a brain from a live fetus/baby is patently false and the video doesn't not exist Fiorina is clearly sensationalizing the issue to score points within the constituency. because they don't do it. The fact is: abortions cannot ever be stopped completely. Women will always have a need for abortions in certain circumstances, so it's better just to accept that, stop trying to impose religious beliefs on others, and provide quality, safe facilities for abortions. The right wing is basically fighting a battle that can never be won, so to speak. They just use the issue politically and they've been milking that one forever to garner votes.

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More lies in the 2nd debate from the Repubiklan Fascist Liar Party than you can shake a stick at, but in Murica, facts don't matter anymore.

 

Fiorina:--No Carly, there is no 'harvest' vid as she so grotesquely described, it doesn't exist. She made it up. I challenge anyone here to produce it.

--While at HP, Firorian was actively selling computers, etc, to the 'hated' Iran gov't, which was illegal at the time, according to embargo rules.

 

Rubio--Nice story about his grand dad 'escaping' Cuba under persecution from Castro, except for one thing: his grand dad immigrated to the U.S before Castro took power in Cuba.

 

Trump: Yes, he did declare bankruptcy at least 4 times and he did try and get casino deals in FL, though he denies it was through Bush.

 

Bush: Well, he lied about his hgt to a photo

2C66BF9B00000578-3239510-image-m-2_14425

(tiptoes)

 

Carson: What anesthetic is this guy on? Seems he was putting himself to sleep.

 

Cruz(Cross, Crucifix): somebody please adopt this guy, would you?

RTX1H57C.jpg?1436900111

sp7.jpg

 

Anyway, Murica, if this is the best you can do, you have serious issues.

 

murica-citizen-walmart-scooter.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

Well, thanks for that, I didn't watch it as I don't like the sight of blood, especially when it comes to fetuses or babies. 1st of all, the FED does not fund abortions for PP or as part of Obamacare, but somehow that fact keeps disappearing within the right wing media and constituency. Abortions are also less than 5% of what PP does. Like I said, facts don't matter in Murica. 2nd, fetal tissue has been used for decades for scientific, medical research, so why is this such a big deal now? Well, it's called sensationalism and radical Christian right wing agenda that is fueling the politicians who are basically hypocrits since if their daughters and what not wanted an abortion, it's highly likely that they're going to get it, albeit by some more expensive, clandestine, and circuitous route. Has the MSM given PP a national television platform to defend themselves or give their side of the story? Of course not, because the right wing controls the media. PP serves mostly low income women of color so there's also the classist/racist component fueling the hate as well. More war on the poor. Also, I still don't understand how you can shut down an entire gov't over this issue--or any issue--but the right seems bent on holding the country hostage whenever it can.

 

I personally do not favor late term abortion or the "selling of body parts", persay, but it has been small part of the industry of modern medicine for some time so they gotta look at the whole thing rather than just PP. It's not logical to shut down an entire organization for a singular issue: you reform that issue. But the radical right wingers are on a rampage, wanting to force a woman to continue a pregnancy--regardless of circumstances--by gunpoint, evidently.

 

Not being a Hillary supporter, I am not sure as to her position on late term abortion--she supports "right to choose" though. Bernie is my man and I am also not sure on his position on late term abortion, but he supports women's "right to choose". The democratic party as a whole--recognizing reality, and not recognizing religious bigotry--is pro choice.

 

Lastly, the scenario described by Fiorina, implying that they are harvesting a brain from a live fetus/baby is patently false and the video doesn't not exist Fiorina is clearly sensationalizing the issue to score points within the constituency. because they don't do it. The fact is: abortions cannot ever be stopped completely. Women will always have a need for abortions in certain circumstances, so it's better just to accept that, stop trying to impose religious beliefs on others, and provide quality, safe facilities for abortions. The right wing is basically fighting a battle that can never be won, so to speak. They just use the issue politically and they've been milking that one forever to garner votes.

Is a fetus a human to you?

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Well, thanks for that, I didn't watch it as I don't like the sight of blood, especially when it comes to fetuses or babies. 1st of all, the FED does not fund abortions for PP or as part of Obamacare, but somehow that fact keeps disappearing within the right wing media and constituency. Abortions are also less than 5% of what PP does. Like I said, facts don't matter in Murica. 2nd, fetal tissue has been used for decades for scientific, medical research, so why is this such a big deal now? Well, it's called sensationalism and radical Christian right wing agenda that is fueling the politicians who are basically hypocrits since if their daughters and what not wanted an abortion, it's highly likely that they're going to get it, albeit by some more expensive, clandestine, and circuitous route. Has the MSM given PP a national television platform to defend themselves or give their side of the story? Of course not, because the right wing controls the media. PP serves mostly low income women of color so there's also the classist/racist component fueling the hate as well. More war on the poor. Also, I still don't understand how you can shut down an entire gov't over this issue--or any issue--but the right seems bent on holding the country hostage whenever it can.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

 

 

I personally do not favor late term abortion or the "selling of body parts", persay, but it has been small part of the industry of modern medicine for some time so they gotta look at the whole thing rather than just PP. It's not logical to shut down an entire organization for a singular issue: you reform that issue. But the radical right wingers are on a rampage, wanting to force a woman to continue a pregnancy--regardless of circumstances--by gunpoint, evidently.

 

Not being a Hillary supporter, I am not sure as to her position on late term abortion--she supports "right to choose" though. Bernie is my man and I am also not sure on his position on late term abortion, but he supports women's "right to choose". The democratic party as a whole--recognizing reality, and not recognizing religious bigotry--is pro choice.

 

Lastly, the scenario described by Fiorina, implying that they are harvesting a brain from a live fetus/baby is patently false and the video doesn't not exist Fiorina is clearly sensationalizing the issue to score points within the constituency. because they don't do it. The fact is: abortions cannot ever be stopped completely. Women will always have a need for abortions in certain circumstances, so it's better just to accept that, stop trying to impose religious beliefs on others, and provide quality, safe facilities for abortions. The right wing is basically fighting a battle that can never be won, so to speak. They just use the issue politically and they've been milking that one forever to garner votes.

 

 

Wow, you are wrong on so many levels with this post.

 

1. For starters, a person can be opposed to abortions without it being tied to their religious faith. I know many that consider themselves pro-life that are not strong Christians. Science, not religion, is proving the pro-life movement right everyday. We now know the full central nervous system in a fetus is formed by 20 weeks, meaning the baby inside the womb can feel the pain from such a horrific procedure.

 

2. Taxpayer dollars are paying for abortions, and you can search anywhere and find this. PP does not come out and say what the funds are being used for, yet thousands of abortions are performed by PP each year.

 

http://aclj.org/pro-life/confirmed-your-tax-dollars-are-funding-big-abortion

 

Key fact in 2nd link:

 

"Although Planned Parenthood gets about $500 million in taxpayer dollars every year and offers other services, abortions accounted for 94 percent of the company's pregnancy services in 2013.

 

http://www.christianpost.com/news/planned-parenthood-received-1-5-billion-in-taxpayer-funds-over-three-years-govt-report-finds-136411/#pLWqpLZsQWR2bDvj.99

 

3. Suggesting that all abortions performed by PP is a result of a medical emergency is absurd. The liberal left is pro-choice and believes that a woman can kill a baby at any point during the pregnancy, even if no medical emergency exists.

 

Carly has pointed out that, in this debate, both sides, the right and left, like to argue to the extremes. However, most Americans now agree that late-term abortion (anything after 20 weeks) should be banned unless the life of the mother is at stake, in which case one of the two (mom or baby) would be harmed. I want to see Hillary, Bernie, and others come out and say they agree late-term abortions should be banned.

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Well, thanks for that, I didn't watch it as I don't like the sight of blood, especially when it comes to fetuses or babies. 1st of all, the FED does not fund abortions for PP or as part of Obamacare, but somehow that fact keeps disappearing within the right wing media and constituency. Abortions are also less than 5% of what PP does. Like I said, facts don't matter in Murica. 2nd, fetal tissue has been used for decades for scientific, medical research, so why is this such a big deal now? Well, it's called sensationalism and radical Christian right wing agenda that is fueling the politicians who are basically hypocrits since if their daughters and what not wanted an abortion, it's highly likely that they're going to get it, albeit by some more expensive, clandestine, and circuitous route. Has the MSM given PP a national television platform to defend themselves or give their side of the story? Of course not, because the right wing controls the media. PP serves mostly low income women of color so there's also the classist/racist component fueling the hate as well. More war on the poor. Also, I still don't understand how you can shut down an entire gov't over this issue--or any issue--but the right seems bent on holding the country hostage whenever it can.

 

Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

 

 

I personally do not favor late term abortion or the "selling of body parts", persay, but it has been small part of the industry of modern medicine for some time so they gotta look at the whole thing rather than just PP. It's not logical to shut down an entire organization for a singular issue: you reform that issue. But the radical right wingers are on a rampage, wanting to force a woman to continue a pregnancy--regardless of circumstances--by gunpoint, evidently.

 

Not being a Hillary supporter, I am not sure as to her position on late term abortion--she supports "right to choose" though. Bernie is my man and I am also not sure on his position on late term abortion, but he supports women's "right to choose". The democratic party as a whole--recognizing reality, and not recognizing religious bigotry--is pro choice.

 

Lastly, the scenario described by Fiorina, implying that they are harvesting a brain from a live fetus/baby is patently false and the video doesn't not exist Fiorina is clearly sensationalizing the issue to score points within the constituency. because they don't do it. The fact is: abortions cannot ever be stopped completely. Women will always have a need for abortions in certain circumstances, so it's better just to accept that, stop trying to impose religious beliefs on others, and provide quality, safe facilities for abortions. The right wing is basically fighting a battle that can never be won, so to speak. They just use the issue politically and they've been milking that one forever to garner votes.

 

 

Wow, you are wrong on so many levels with this post.

 

1. For starters, a person can be opposed to abortions without it being tied to their religious faith. I know many that consider themselves pro-life that are not strong Christians. Science, not religion, is proving the pro-life movement right everyday. We now know the full central nervous system in a fetus is formed by 20 weeks, meaning the baby inside the womb can feel the pain from such a horrific procedure.

 

2. Taxpayer dollars are paying for abortions, and you can search anywhere and find this. PP does not come out and say what the funds are being used for, yet thousands of abortions are performed by PP each year.

 

http://aclj.org/pro-life/confirmed-your-tax-dollars-are-funding-big-abortion

 

Key fact in 2nd link:

 

"Although Planned Parenthood gets about $500 million in taxpayer dollars every year and offers other services, abortions accounted for 94 percent of the company's pregnancy services in 2013.

 

http://www.christianpost.com/news/planned-parenthood-received-1-5-billion-in-taxpayer-funds-over-three-years-govt-report-finds-136411/#pLWqpLZsQWR2bDvj.99

 

3. Suggesting that all abortions performed by PP is a result of a medical emergency is absurd. The liberal left is pro-choice and believes that a woman can kill a baby at any point during the pregnancy, even if no medical emergency exists.

 

Carly has pointed out that, in this debate, both sides, the right and left, like to argue to the extremes. However, most Americans now agree that late-term abortion (anything after 20 weeks) should be banned unless the life of the mother is at stake, in which case one of the two (mom or baby) would be harmed. I want to see Hillary, Bernie, and others come out and say they agree late-term abortions should be banned.

 

 

I'm actually not wrong. Let's look at facts, shall we, instead of Christian Post propaganda:

 

 

Nearly 99 percent of abortions occur before 21 weeks, but when they are needed later in pregnancy, it’s often in very complex circumstances — the kind of situations where a woman and her doctor need every medical option available.

 

Abortions later in pregnancy may involve rare, severe fetal anomalies and serious risks to the woman’s health. Democrats (78%), Republicans (62%), and Independents (71%)say this is the wrong issue for Congress and their state legislators to be spending time on.

http://www.plannedparenthoodaction.org/issues/abortion-access/20-week-ban/

 

 

Q: How much of Planned Parenthood’s services are dedicated to abortions? Does the federal government fund those procedures?

A: Abortions represent 3 percent of total services provided by Planned Parenthood, and roughly 10 percent of its clients received an abortion. The group does receive federal funding, but the money cannot be used for abortions by law.

 

 

Title X does not allow federal funds to be used for abortions. Medicaid, however, does allow government money to be spent on them — in very restricted cases.

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http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/04/planned-parenthood/

https://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf

 

Couple more things:

 

1) No one is ever going to be able to eradicate abortions, it's not going to happen, period. So, you can either provide a safe environment for women to obtain the services or they will resort to unsafe and life risking ways of obtaining abortions. I prefer the former.

 

2) No one--whether religious or not--has the right to legislate decisions made over another's body.

 

3) No one has the right to coerce others with their religious beliefs.

 

4) If the right wing Christian zealots were so "pro life" and/or saving the taxpayer $, why don't they focus on not sending everybody else's kids off to the wars they are so constantly in favor of. I.e., stop the war mongering.

 

5) In case you and Ben Carson, Ted Crucifix, Mike Huckanazi et. al. hadn't noticed, we do not live in a theocracy, so, religious belief systems cannot be legislated, period.

 

6) Fiorina may claim that she is "pro life", but it is clear she had little or no regard for the 10s of 1000s of lives she sent "packin'"(laid off) in her tenure @ Hewlitt Packard--and that includes their children.

 

7) Ironically, Rosa Parks, who anti-PP Rubio and Cruz want to put on the $10 bill, was a board member for PP:

 

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Another one bites the dust! That anti-Labor punk from WI, Walker has thrown in the towel, much to the general relief of humanity. Koch Bros pulled the plug on the guy is my guess. Good riddance.

 

Best stupid quote from his departing remarks:

 

 

"...people provide jobs, gov't doesn't provide jobs."

 

I guess that's why he has a gov't job. His other remarks were basically unintelligible, no surprise there.

 

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Buh bye...

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More lies in the 2nd debate from the Repubiklan Fascist Liar Party than you can shake a stick at, but in Murica, facts don't matter anymore.

 

Fiorina:--No Carly, there is no 'harvest' vid as she so grotesquely described, it doesn't exist. She made it up. I challenge anyone here to produce it.

--While at HP, Firorian was actively selling computers, etc, to the 'hated' Iran gov't, which was illegal at the time, according to embargo rules.

 

Rubio--Nice story about his grand dad 'escaping' Cuba under persecution from Castro, except for one thing: his grand dad immigrated to the U.S before Castro took power in Cuba.

 

Trump: Yes, he did declare bankruptcy at least 4 times and he did try and get casino deals in FL, though he denies it was through Bush.

 

Bush: Well, he lied about his hgt to a photo

2C66BF9B00000578-3239510-image-m-2_14425

(tiptoes)

 

Carson: What anesthetic is this guy on? Seems he was putting himself to sleep.

 

Cruz(Cross, Crucifix): somebody please adopt this guy, would you?

RTX1H57C.jpg?1436900111

sp7.jpg

 

Anyway, Murica, if this is the best you can do, you have serious issues.

 

murica-citizen-walmart-scooter.jpg

 

 

 

 

 

Leave it to liberals to focus on everything but the core of the concerns about Planned Parenthood. Here's a video showing what Carly was describing, AND that Hillary and others on the left refuse to address. Do they support these procedures and the selling of body parts? Do they support late-term abortions even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

 

WARNING: This video is graphic

 

Well, thanks for that, I didn't watch it as I don't like the sight of blood, especially when it comes to fetuses or babies. 1st of all, the FED does not fund abortions for PP or as part of Obamacare, but somehow that fact keeps disappearing within the right wing media and constituency. Abortions are also less than 5% of what PP does. Like I said, facts don't matter in Murica. 2nd, fetal tissue has been used for decades for scientific, medical research, so why is this such a big deal now? Well, it's called sensationalism and radical Christian right wing agenda that is fueling the politicians who are basically hypocrits since if their daughters and what not wanted an abortion, it's highly likely that they're going to get it, albeit by some more expensive, clandestine, and circuitous route. Has the MSM given PP a national television platform to defend themselves or give their side of the story? Of course not, because the right wing controls the media. PP serves mostly low income women of color so there's also the classist/racist component fueling the hate as well. More war on the poor. Also, I still don't understand how you can shut down an entire gov't over this issue--or any issue--but the right seems bent on holding the country hostage whenever it can.

 

I personally do not favor late term abortion or the "selling of body parts", persay, but it has been small part of the industry of modern medicine for some time so they gotta look at the whole thing rather than just PP. It's not logical to shut down an entire organization for a singular issue: you reform that issue. But the radical right wingers are on a rampage, wanting to force a woman to continue a pregnancy--regardless of circumstances--by gunpoint, evidently.

 

Not being a Hillary supporter, I am not sure as to her position on late term abortion--she supports "right to choose" though. Bernie is my man and I am also not sure on his position on late term abortion, but he supports women's "right to choose". The democratic party as a whole--recognizing reality, and not recognizing religious bigotry--is pro choice.

 

Lastly, the scenario described by Fiorina, implying that they are harvesting a brain from a live fetus/baby is patently false and the video doesn't not exist Fiorina is clearly sensationalizing the issue to score points within the constituency. because they don't do it. The fact is: abortions cannot ever be stopped completely. Women will always have a need for abortions in certain circumstances, so it's better just to accept that, stop trying to impose religious beliefs on others, and provide quality, safe facilities for abortions. The right wing is basically fighting a battle that can never be won, so to speak. They just use the issue politically and they've been milking that one forever to garner votes.

Is a fetus a human to you?

 

I actually haven't reviewed my embryology for over 30+ yrs, so I'm not actually sure at this point what stage of fetal development I personally would consider it a "human being". I'm sure there is widespread opinion/belief as to that point. Ideally, IMO, an abortion should be performed within the 1st few weeks while it's still an amorphous, microscopic aggregate of cells. I realize some feel there is a "soul" at conception, but I guess I don't believe that, and atheists and others that definitely don't believe that.

 

Generally speaking, I personally wouldn't support an abortion performed after there's a formed nervous system--brain especially--and beating heart as I recognize than as a sentient human being with full rights. I suppose you could argue for human rights of a 20+ week fetus, but there are also the rights of the mother, and there are many extenuating circumstances, and there is the right to privacy, so, that would be very tough to push through legislatively. Late term abortions, if the stats are correct, are very much the exception rather than the rule. The anti abortion activists conflagrate the issues and the politicians(right wing, mostly) pander to that voting base.

 

Roe v Wade was won, in large part, about rights to privacy.

 

See my other response above as to stats...

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At what point do we address the real problem? Unsafe SEX. If you are willing to risk the chance of becoming pregnant should you not have to deal with what happens when you do? Obviously extremes exist such as rape. However the vast majority of abortions are for women who willfully engaged in SEX with another. Once you are pregnant you shouldn't have the right to take a life because you don't want to deal with the repercussions of your actions.

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. . . even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

IT CAN?! OH MY GOD.

 

If you meant a 20 week fetus could you please show me an example where a 20 week fetus survived and lived a full life?

 

 

This is just one example of a UK fetus surviving at 21 weeks. You can do a search and find many examples. Of course with any early deliveries, it will take weeks in the nic-u before going home, but technology and medical advances have made this possible. I find it alarming that the UK even has a legal abortion limit at 24 weeks, while in the US we don't have any limits.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021034/The-tiniest-survivor-How-miracle-baby-born-weeks-legal-abortion-limit-clung-life-odds.html

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At what point do we address the real problem? Unsafe SEX. If you are willing to risk the chance of becoming pregnant should you not have to deal with what happens when you do? Obviously extremes exist such as rape. However the vast majority of abortions are for women who willfully engaged in SEX with another. Once you are pregnant you shouldn't have the right to take a life because you don't want to deal with the repercussions of your actions.

 

Good point Hedley. In addition to killing a baby, there is the other argument that individuals shoudl take personal responsibility for their actions, and that its not ok to kill a life for a roll in the hay with someone you don't know and love.

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. . . even though science shows a 20-month old fetus can survive and live a full life?

IT CAN?! OH MY GOD.

 

If you meant a 20 week fetus could you please show me an example where a 20 week fetus survived and lived a full life?

 

This is just one example of a UK fetus surviving at 21 weeks. You can do a search and find many examples. Of course with any early deliveries, it will take weeks in the nic-u before going home, but technology and medical advances have made this possible. I find it alarming that the UK even has a legal abortion limit at 24 weeks, while in the US we don't have any limits.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1021034/The-tiniest-survivor-How-miracle-baby-born-weeks-legal-abortion-limit-clung-life-odds.html

 

So you can't find an example where a 20 week fetus survived? Not even one?

 

I suppose you need to revise your claims then, eh?

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