BIG ERN Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Below are the comparisons of recruits brought in by Solich, Callahan, and Pelini. I think one of the main things to look at is what the coach left for the other. Unless you are bringing in a major recruit or Jucos - they usually aren't going to be a major asset to your team within their first 2 years at the program. Especially when we change the offensive and defensive system/schemes. Thus showing the importance of taking what you have and making the best of it. Not trying to point anything out, just was curious myself on the issue. *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown Solich 2001: #7 Josh Bullocks (DB), Daniel Bullocks (DB), Barrett Ruud (LB), Cory Ross (RB), Lekevin Smith (DT), Richie Incognito (OL) 2002: #40 Adam Carriker (DE), Jay Moore (DE), Fabian Washington (CB), DeMorrio Williams (LB) - JUCO 2003: #42 Bo Ruud (LB) Callahan 2004: #58 Lydon Murtha (OL), Nate Swift (WR), Joe Ganz (QB), Brandon Jackson (RB) 2005: #5 Ndamukong Suh (DT), Phillip Dillard (LB), Marlon Lucky (RB), Zach Potter (DE), Matt Slauson (OL), Barry Turner (DE), Steve Octavian (LB) - JUCO, Zac Taylor (QB), - JUCO, Zach Bowman (DB) - JUCO 2006: #20 Ricky Henry (OL), Pierre Allen (DE), Keith Willaims (OL), Carl Nicks (OL) - JUCO, Maurice Purify (WR) - JUCO 2007: #13 Prince Amukamara (ATH), Jared Crick (DE), Eric Hagg (ATH), Roy Helu (RB), Niles Paul (WR), Larry Asante (DB) - JUCO Pelini 2008: #30 Will Compton (LB), Alfonzo Dennard (CB), Ricky Henry (OL), Kyler Reed (ATH), Baker Steinkuhler (OL) 2009: #28 Rex Burkhead (RB), Dejon Gomes (DB), Eric Martin (LB), Taylor Martinez (ATH), Cole Pensick (OL), Jeremiah Sirles (OL) 2010: #22 Kenny Bell (ATH), Quincy Enunwa (WR), Stanley-Jean Baptiste (WR), Lavonte David (LB) - JUCO 2011: #15 (Five 4* players didn't end up on team) Ameer Abdullah (ATH), Daimion Stafford (DB) - JUCO 2012: #25 (5 players no longer with the team) Tommy Armstrong (QB), Alonzo Moore (WR), Michael Rose (LB), Vincent Valentine (DT), Jordan Westerkamp (WR), Zaire Anderson (LB) - JUCO 2013: #17 (9 players are no longer with the team) Maliek Collins (DT), Nate Gerry (ATH), Terrell Newby (RB), Randy Gregory (DE) - JUCO 2 Quote Link to comment
NUance Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 There was a pretty good thread a while back that talked about attrition. Pelini brought in some decent classes. But it seems like, for whatever reason, we'd lose a couple of his best players each year. I'm not saying the attrition was Pelini's fault. I'm not saying it's not his fault either. But regardless of the reason, the roster today doesn't reflect the recruiting ratings of the past four or five years. OTOH, Pelini did a much better job of recruiting and playing walkons than Callahan did. So there's that. Quote Link to comment
cm husker Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Attrition at NU has been about average when looked at across P5. 3 Quote Link to comment
BIG ERN Posted November 5, 2015 Author Share Posted November 5, 2015 *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense. So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"? Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count Quote Link to comment
cm husker Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense. So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"? Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count He said year 4 (2007), which, ostensibly, if the recruiting was so bad under Solich, most of those guys would have been replaced by kids from the '05, '06 and '07 classes. 1 Quote Link to comment
DomiNUs Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Attrition at NU has been about average when looked at across P5. Do you have something that backs that up? Just curious. Quote Link to comment
True2tRA Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense. So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"? Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count Joe Dailey was long gone before 2007. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03. There are tons more examples. Dane Todd was a Solich kid. He made first team All Big 12 for Callahan in '06. There were also about 14 guys on Callahan's first roster that went on to sign NFL contracts. Just start over and list all the players. Why do you talk to people like that and what makes you think it's okay? Maybe even bigger question is why do the mods here continue to ignore it? Big Ern stated in his first post he wasn't placing any bias on anything. He was just compiling a list the best he could and opening the discussion for debate. It's a message board. That's kind of the point. Then here you come telling him he's pulled things "out of his ass" as if he's got an agenda. You're the one with an agenda and apparently you get to be outright disrespectful to people to prove it. 6 Quote Link to comment
cm husker Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense. So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"? Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count Joe Dailey was long gone before 2007. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03. There are tons more examples. Dane Todd was a Solich kid. He made first team All Big 12 for Callahan in '06. There were also about 14 guys on Callahan's first roster that went on to sign NFL contracts. Just start over and list all the players. Why do you talk to people like that and what makes you think it's okay? Maybe even bigger question is why do the mods here continue to ignore it? Big Ern stated in his first post he wasn't placing any bias on anything. He was just compiling a list the best he could and opening the discussion for debate. It's a message board. That's kind of the point. Then here you come telling him he's pulled things "out of his ass" as if he's got an agenda. You're the one with an agenda and apparently you get to be outright disrespectful to people to prove it. In other words, inserting his bias. As we all tend to do. But, in fact, that is a form of pulling it out of your ass. Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 The biggest issue with recruiting and how those recruits ended up was that over the last 10 years, it seems like the most sought after recruits in the classes are the ones that either leave or don't contribute. You would think the best scenario is that most of the highly talented recruits come in and contribute with some of the lower talented recruits be a surprise and blending in with the others. Our problem is, it's just the opposite. It's like the 4 star players come in and have an attitude of entitlement, the lower rated players work harder and beat them out. BOTH groups need to be working their buts off to get on the field. Quote Link to comment
cm husker Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Attrition at NU has been about average when looked at across P5. Do you have something that backs that up? Just curious. Yeah, it's been discussed a lot. Let me see if I can find the link. It was on CFB Matrix as I recall, if you want to look, too. EDIT: Not what I saw originally, but here's a breakdown: https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/2y4waq/power_5_conference_attrition_rates_for_2002/ Click on conferences for breakdowns. Show's NU at 36% which is third or fourth in the B10, though there are a number of teams at +/- 2% of 36% (Northwestern is an outlier at only 20%) 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 *Players highlighted in red also played for the following coach. Only notable players shown In Callahan's 4th season (2007) he was still starting 7 Solich recruits on offense. So, what criteria did you pull out of your butt to determine who was "notable"? Who was a good starter on offense that year that was from Solich?? Joe Dailey doesn't count Joe Dailey was long gone before 2007. Do you have any idea what you are talking about? Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03. There are tons more examples. Dane Todd was a Solich kid. He made first team All Big 12 for Callahan in '06. There were also about 14 guys on Callahan's first roster that went on to sign NFL contracts. Just start over and list all the players. Why do you talk to people like that and what makes you think it's okay? Maybe even bigger question is why do the mods here continue to ignore it? Big Ern stated in his first post he wasn't placing any bias on anything. He was just compiling a list the best he could and opening the discussion for debate. It's a message board. That's kind of the point. Then here you come telling him he's pulled things "out of his ass" as if he's got an agenda. You're the one with an agenda and apparently you get to be outright disrespectful to people to prove it. In other words, inserting his bias. As we all tend to do. But, in fact, that is a form of pulling it out of your ass. Way to pull that out of your ass. 2 Quote Link to comment
Pedro Guerrero Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03. According to Rivals Lance Brandenburgh was the first commit for the '04 class. He was July and Swift committed in August. Also Corey McKeon and Tierre Green are 2003 recruits that started every game in 2007. So they should probably be listed next to Bo Ruud. Quote Link to comment
Bowfin Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Playing football is a skill that is (or isn't) taught, it isn't a talent that is inherited. So when it comes to good players Coaching + Conditioning > Recruiting + Stars. The trouble is, we have too many people paying for magazines and scouting reports and insider feeds to believe that it all just hokum. Quote Link to comment
GBRedneck Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Nate Swift was one. Obviously, he fit your mysterious "notable" criteria, but you have him listed as a Callahan recruit. He was Solich's first commit for the '04 class. Committed in June of '03. According to Rivals Lance Brandenburgh was the first commit for the '04 class. He was July and Swift committed in August. Also Corey McKeon and Tierre Green are 2003 recruits that started every game in 2007. So they should probably be listed next to Bo Ruud. According to Scout, Swift committed June 14, 2003. Brandenburgh was June 30. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted November 5, 2015 Share Posted November 5, 2015 Same song, 657th verse. Knock of thee personal stuff. Quote Link to comment
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