Reported Sexual Assault at Armstrong's House Under Investigation

[Mavric]

Under Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972, U.S. colleges and universities are responsible for investigating sexual assault claims made by anyone in the university community -- even if those allegations took place at an off-campus location or have not been formally reported to the university.

Susan Foster, UNL’s Title IX coordinator, said even if no criminal charges are filed, the university is required by federal law to investigate whether or not the UNL student code of conduct has been violated.

That requires a lower burden of proof than criminal prosecutors must meet to win a conviction in the courts -- the “greater weight of the evidence” rather than “proof beyond a reasonable doubt.”

So while Lancaster County Attorney Joe Kelly said in a news conference Wednesday morning that his office did not feel it had enough evidence to file charges, UNL investigators only must prove “it is more likely than not” a violation has occurred.

“The evidence is weighed and if the greater weight of the evidence leans toward a violation, then our office can recommend a sanction, or multiple sanctions, depending on the situation,” Foster said.

UNL’s investigation takes place independently of any criminal investigation that has occurred, and on Wednesday, Lincoln Police Chief Jim Peschong said the department had not worked with the university in any way on the investigation.

 

LJS

[I AM FOOT FOOT]

 

I truly wonder what happened then, Facts need to be released here because now the court of Public opinion is really going to look on this very negatively!

I'd really like to erase these 9 pages of conjecture, false speculation, nonexpert-expert opinion, infighting, judgement, and pure idiocy. But that won't happen either.

 

no kidding this thread is littered with stupidity. go buy your tin foil people your gonna need it

[Moiraine]

So how did you feel about FSU with Winston?

 

I never assumed he raped anyone. But he's an a-hole for lots of other reasons. Why are you so focused on false accusations? There are way more unreported rapes than there are false reports. You should find a different cause.

[Moiraine]

Title IX is all about the women being equal with the men. I say give them all strapon's and call it good.

 

Vaginas are way more powerful than penises. I say let's do the opposite of that.

[84HuskerLaw]

 

 

 

Title IX has 60 days if I remember correctly.

 

As a male it sucks to see the double standard of She accuses rape and is automatically the Victim, and is automatically to be true because it is incredibly difficult to prove without evidence that can not be determined from a Rape Kit!

As a male with a proper upbringing it sucks even more to see sexual assault occurs at all.

As a law abiding citizen I am also sick and tired of seeing "public figures" being treated differently from the rest of us. No one is above the law yet sadly the system sure allows for it!

 

 

 

For those clowns shocked by my statement of making an example of her if she was falsifying the claim; you apparently feel people should be able to cause an incredible amount of damage to someone else by lying about it? Classy! This happens quite often so yes an example of someone lying about such a serious offense should be treated harshly to set a precedent that doing such a thing is not in your best interest.

 

Make no mistake if this is a case of rape then may the offender receive the justice they rightfully deserve.

 

My only point on this issue is this. That "Press Conference" was beyond pointless as it gave very little facts about anything, which creates more of a media storm of pure conjecture and this assumption of either guilt or innocence dependent upon, who you root for and what your personal bias may be. This type of irresponsible release of vagueness did nothing to clear anything and in no way will be forgotten. If you think it will just look at Shamus Winston or any other case that sticks with the Program and the persons involved.

 

Unless facts are revealed that unequivocally exonerate Westy and T.A. this will be something that will tarnish their reputation and character, it also makes me as a Nebraska Alum embarrassed by the fact that there may or may not be these types of people on the team that represents the University, and its alumni as well as fans!

Just because you fail to see the point does not make it pointless.

 

Furthermore, you have unequivocally misunderstood what others are telling you. You're speculating, putting words in people's mouth and throwing garbage around wildly when you know absolutely nothing, and then demand to be told the "facts." Not very classy, either.

 

The "fact" is there is no criminal charge. The "fact" is most people will forget about this save a minority in the future. There were rape accusations from decades past that have all but been forgotten and this scenario will likely become one of those.

 

Are you kidding? People haven't seemed to forget Christian Peters alleged issues, or Incogneto I guess you just forgot about that? Allegations for Sexual assault are serious and should be treated as such. You are living in a fantasy world if you think Alleged Sex Assault just is forgotten and with this handy dandy Inter-web it sure can follow you quite easily!

 

I Speculated on multiple views all which are viable and possible!

 

The Facts you point out are interesting and all, but the most important fact is that the lack of pressing charges is not due to anyone being found innocent or guilty of anything. If that doesn't cause any effect on you than I am a bit surprised.

 

 

Christian Peter was convicted of sexual assault. Forgive me for not being sad that people remember he was accused of rape.

 

This remark is outragous as I recall that he was charged and perhaps 'convicted' though I don't remember that happening, of an assault for grabbing a woman in a bar, not rape! The unwanted grabbing of her crotch as I recall was the 'assault'. A hell of a long way from 'rape'. Just my opinion and I believe that it is terribly unfair for him to be remembered as a rapist when he is not, as far as I can recall. Let's don't spread false memories about a great Husker player around. We have enough players who have really had serious criminal law problems in the past. We don't need to make up more!

[Moiraine]

 

 

 

 

Title IX has 60 days if I remember correctly.

 

As a male it sucks to see the double standard of She accuses rape and is automatically the Victim, and is automatically to be true because it is incredibly difficult to prove without evidence that can not be determined from a Rape Kit!

As a male with a proper upbringing it sucks even more to see sexual assault occurs at all.

As a law abiding citizen I am also sick and tired of seeing "public figures" being treated differently from the rest of us. No one is above the law yet sadly the system sure allows for it!

 

 

 

For those clowns shocked by my statement of making an example of her if she was falsifying the claim; you apparently feel people should be able to cause an incredible amount of damage to someone else by lying about it? Classy! This happens quite often so yes an example of someone lying about such a serious offense should be treated harshly to set a precedent that doing such a thing is not in your best interest.

 

Make no mistake if this is a case of rape then may the offender receive the justice they rightfully deserve.

 

My only point on this issue is this. That "Press Conference" was beyond pointless as it gave very little facts about anything, which creates more of a media storm of pure conjecture and this assumption of either guilt or innocence dependent upon, who you root for and what your personal bias may be. This type of irresponsible release of vagueness did nothing to clear anything and in no way will be forgotten. If you think it will just look at Shamus Winston or any other case that sticks with the Program and the persons involved.

 

Unless facts are revealed that unequivocally exonerate Westy and T.A. this will be something that will tarnish their reputation and character, it also makes me as a Nebraska Alum embarrassed by the fact that there may or may not be these types of people on the team that represents the University, and its alumni as well as fans!

Just because you fail to see the point does not make it pointless.

 

Furthermore, you have unequivocally misunderstood what others are telling you. You're speculating, putting words in people's mouth and throwing garbage around wildly when you know absolutely nothing, and then demand to be told the "facts." Not very classy, either.

 

The "fact" is there is no criminal charge. The "fact" is most people will forget about this save a minority in the future. There were rape accusations from decades past that have all but been forgotten and this scenario will likely become one of those.

 

Are you kidding? People haven't seemed to forget Christian Peters alleged issues, or Incogneto I guess you just forgot about that? Allegations for Sexual assault are serious and should be treated as such. You are living in a fantasy world if you think Alleged Sex Assault just is forgotten and with this handy dandy Inter-web it sure can follow you quite easily!

 

I Speculated on multiple views all which are viable and possible!

 

The Facts you point out are interesting and all, but the most important fact is that the lack of pressing charges is not due to anyone being found innocent or guilty of anything. If that doesn't cause any effect on you than I am a bit surprised.

 

 

Christian Peter was convicted of sexual assault. Forgive me for not being sad that people remember he was accused of rape.

 

This remark is outragous as I recall that he was charged and perhaps 'convicted' though I don't remember that happening, of an assault for grabbing a woman in a bar, not rape! The unwanted grabbing of her crotch as I recall was the 'assault'. A hell of a long way from 'rape'. Just my opinion and I believe that it is terribly unfair for him to be remembered as a rapist when he is not, as far as I can recall. Let's don't spread false memories about a great Husker player around. We have enough players who have really had serious criminal law problems in the past. We don't need to make up more!

 

 

How is the remark outrageous? He grabbed a woman's crotch and was convicted of sexual assault for it.

[Landlord]

This remark is outragous as I recall that he was charged and perhaps 'convicted' though I don't remember that happening, of an assault for grabbing a woman in a bar, not rape! The unwanted grabbing of her crotch as I recall was the 'assault'. A hell of a long way from 'rape'. Just my opinion and I believe that it is terribly unfair for him to be remembered as a rapist when he is not, as far as I can recall. Let's don't spread false memories about a great Husker player around. We have enough players who have really had serious criminal law problems in the past. We don't need to make up more!

 

 

 

 

A Title IX suit was filed, settled 2 years later with the school paying her $50,000, and Peter/Redmond settling for an undisclosed amount of money out of court. Tom Osborne also apologized to Redding later on, reconciled, and has had her speak to past football teams about violence against women.

 

He wasn't convicted of rape by a jury, but his hands are obviously very very far from clean.

[84HuskerLaw]

 

 

 

 

Look I am simply saying if the woman was False Accusing someone she needs to be Vilified, the players will now be the ones seen by anyone without a Husker Bias, as guilty.

As a Husker fan I would like t think that the players are innocent here, but Lack of evidence for a Legal Case and being Innocent are not one in the same!

Lack of evidence and falsely accusing are not one in the same either.

This ^^^ I work in the criminal justice system and I pray that this young woman seeks out the help she needs, you see too many times a woman who feels that she wasn't done justice turn to the wrong things to cope.

 

Unless nothing criminal happened and she tried to make it look like it did. How about those who may have been falsely accused and have had their futures put in peril? It can go both ways. I don't know who is right or wrong, but wish I knew more facts about what happened. Something should happen one way or the other IMO.

 

How though, exactly? There's not enough evidence to proceed with criminal charges, but that doesn't mean a crime never happened. This woman could very well not remember the incident and 100% believe she's a victim. If that's the case, she should not be vilified.

 

I think everyone here should just stop suggesting what should or shouldn't happen.

 

I feel the woman needs to be given a polygraph in cases of 'he said, she said' as far as rape is concerned. If she fails, then no charges should be filed and no report publicly made of anything about the entire matter. Keep things totally quiet until she passes the test. Then the police should approach the accused and proceed vigorously, but confidentially, to corroberate the crime. Release the names, places and times and so on ONCE the events are relatively well substantiated by the lie detector test, the accused has had an opportunity to provide his or her side of the story, allibi, etc. Anyone accused of a felony should be given a reasonable opportunity to clear him or herself before the publication of the arrest or formal criminal charges are filed. Far too many people assume based on the mere fact of charges being filed, that the accused is guilty! This is NOT true. Sadly, however, juries are certainly very heavily leaning for the prosecution and the presumption of innocense is all but ignored. Any accused who fails to affirmatively provide evidence on innocense will likely be convicted with very flimsy minimal evidence. Testimony of just one witness is often all that is required to convict of serious felony offenses. Even murder. If you are ever involved in the criminal justice system, you will become aware of how difficult your chances are of winning an acquittal. 90% plus of cases end in convictions. The defense attorney has a long, uphill battle in almost any case!

[Red Dead Redemption]

[Smac07]

 

 

 

 

 

Look I am simply saying if the woman was False Accusing someone she needs to be Vilified, the players will now be the ones seen by anyone without a Husker Bias, as guilty.

As a Husker fan I would like t think that the players are innocent here, but Lack of evidence for a Legal Case and being Innocent are not one in the same!

Lack of evidence and falsely accusing are not one in the same either.

This ^^^ I work in the criminal justice system and I pray that this young woman seeks out the help she needs, you see too many times a woman who feels that she wasn't done justice turn to the wrong things to cope.

 

Unless nothing criminal happened and she tried to make it look like it did. How about those who may have been falsely accused and have had their futures put in peril? It can go both ways. I don't know who is right or wrong, but wish I knew more facts about what happened. Something should happen one way or the other IMO.

 

How though, exactly? There's not enough evidence to proceed with criminal charges, but that doesn't mean a crime never happened. This woman could very well not remember the incident and 100% believe she's a victim. If that's the case, she should not be vilified.

 

I think everyone here should just stop suggesting what should or shouldn't happen.

 

I feel the woman needs to be given a polygraph in cases of 'he said, she said' as far as rape is concerned. If she fails, then no charges should be filed and no report publicly made of anything about the entire matter. Keep things totally quiet until she passes the test. Then the police should approach the accused and proceed vigorously, but confidentially, to corroberate the crime. Release the names, places and times and so on ONCE the events are relatively well substantiated by the lie detector test, the accused has had an opportunity to provide his or her side of the story, allibi, etc. Anyone accused of a felony should be given a reasonable opportunity to clear him or herself before the publication of the arrest or formal criminal charges are filed. Far too many people assume based on the mere fact of charges being filed, that the accused is guilty! This is NOT true. Sadly, however, juries are certainly very heavily leaning for the prosecution and the presumption of innocense is all but ignored. Any accused who fails to affirmatively provide evidence on innocense will likely be convicted with very flimsy minimal evidence. Testimony of just one witness is often all that is required to convict of serious felony offenses. Even murder. If you are ever involved in the criminal justice system, you will become aware of how difficult your chances are of winning an acquittal. 90% plus of cases end in convictions. The defense attorney has a long, uphill battle in almost any case!

 

Fantastic!!!

[Enhance]

 

 

Title IX has 60 days if I remember correctly.

 

As a male it sucks to see the double standard of She accuses rape and is automatically the Victim, and is automatically to be true because it is incredibly difficult to prove without evidence that can not be determined from a Rape Kit!

As a male with a proper upbringing it sucks even more to see sexual assault occurs at all.

As a law abiding citizen I am also sick and tired of seeing "public figures" being treated differently from the rest of us. No one is above the law yet sadly the system sure allows for it!

 

 

 

For those clowns shocked by my statement of making an example of her if she was falsifying the claim; you apparently feel people should be able to cause an incredible amount of damage to someone else by lying about it? Classy! This happens quite often so yes an example of someone lying about such a serious offense should be treated harshly to set a precedent that doing such a thing is not in your best interest.

 

Make no mistake if this is a case of rape then may the offender receive the justice they rightfully deserve.

 

My only point on this issue is this. That "Press Conference" was beyond pointless as it gave very little facts about anything, which creates more of a media storm of pure conjecture and this assumption of either guilt or innocence dependent upon, who you root for and what your personal bias may be. This type of irresponsible release of vagueness did nothing to clear anything and in no way will be forgotten. If you think it will just look at Shamus Winston or any other case that sticks with the Program and the persons involved.

 

Unless facts are revealed that unequivocally exonerate Westy and T.A. this will be something that will tarnish their reputation and character, it also makes me as a Nebraska Alum embarrassed by the fact that there may or may not be these types of people on the team that represents the University, and its alumni as well as fans!

Just because you fail to see the point does not make it pointless.

 

Furthermore, you have unequivocally misunderstood what others are telling you. You're speculating, putting words in people's mouth and throwing garbage around wildly when you know absolutely nothing, and then demand to be told the "facts." Not very classy, either.

 

The "fact" is there is no criminal charge. The "fact" is most people will forget about this save a minority in the future. There were rape accusations from decades past that have all but been forgotten and this scenario will likely become one of those.

 

Are you kidding? People haven't seemed to forget Christian Peters alleged issues, or Incogneto I guess you just forgot about that? Allegations for Sexual assault are serious and should be treated as such. You are living in a fantasy world if you think Alleged Sex Assault just is forgotten and with this handy dandy Inter-web it sure can follow you quite easily!

 

I Speculated on multiple views all which are viable and possible!

 

The Facts you point out are interesting and all, but the most important fact is that the lack of pressing charges is not due to anyone being found innocent or guilty of anything. If that doesn't cause any effect on you than I am a bit surprised.

 

Sexual assault impacts all of us.

 

In regards to Christian Peter, the situation was very different to this one; and, I bet you could poll every college football fan across the country and a significant portion (likely even a majority) would have no idea who Christian Peter is or what he was accused of. And I don't think regular college football fans are actively googling the alleged/actual transgressions of former Huskers.

 

The facts are it doesn't matter what you or I believe or think. No criminal charges have been pressed. End of story. The police and attorneys, the people charged with protecting us and dealing with criminals every day, have determined that there is not enough evidence to prove anyone did anything wrong.

 

Innocent until proven guilty, my friend. I'm not going to go on a head hunt, and I suggest you don't either, to try to defame any of the parties involved here when legally there's nothing to be done.

[BIGREDIOWAN]

 

 

 

 

 

Look I am simply saying if the woman was False Accusing someone she needs to be Vilified, the players will now be the ones seen by anyone without a Husker Bias, as guilty.

As a Husker fan I would like t think that the players are innocent here, but Lack of evidence for a Legal Case and being Innocent are not one in the same!

Lack of evidence and falsely accusing are not one in the same either.

This ^^^ I work in the criminal justice system and I pray that this young woman seeks out the help she needs, you see too many times a woman who feels that she wasn't done justice turn to the wrong things to cope.

 

Unless nothing criminal happened and she tried to make it look like it did. How about those who may have been falsely accused and have had their futures put in peril? It can go both ways. I don't know who is right or wrong, but wish I knew more facts about what happened. Something should happen one way or the other IMO.

 

How though, exactly? There's not enough evidence to proceed with criminal charges, but that doesn't mean a crime never happened. This woman could very well not remember the incident and 100% believe she's a victim. If that's the case, she should not be vilified.

 

I think everyone here should just stop suggesting what should or shouldn't happen.

 

I feel the woman needs to be given a polygraph in cases of 'he said, she said' as far as rape is concerned. If she fails, then no charges should be filed and no report publicly made of anything about the entire matter. Keep things totally quiet until she passes the test. Then the police should approach the accused and proceed vigorously, but confidentially, to corroberate the crime. Release the names, places and times and so on ONCE the events are relatively well substantiated by the lie detector test, the accused has had an opportunity to provide his or her side of the story, allibi, etc. Anyone accused of a felony should be given a reasonable opportunity to clear him or herself before the publication of the arrest or formal criminal charges are filed. Far too many people assume based on the mere fact of charges being filed, that the accused is guilty! This is NOT true. Sadly, however, juries are certainly very heavily leaning for the prosecution and the presumption of innocense is all but ignored. Any accused who fails to affirmatively provide evidence on innocense will likely be convicted with very flimsy minimal evidence. Testimony of just one witness is often all that is required to convict of serious felony offenses. Even murder. If you are ever involved in the criminal justice system, you will become aware of how difficult your chances are of winning an acquittal. 90% plus of cases end in convictions. The defense attorney has a long, uphill battle in almost any case!

 

But..........lie detector tests aren't admissible in court. They are only helpful in a follow-up interview that can be used as leverage against the person who failed said lie detector test. No suspect has ever been named by the way correct? So people are making assumptions on who was involved and then slanting their view towards who they think are the accused.

[Smac07]

 

So how did you feel about FSU with Winston?

 

I never assumed he raped anyone. But he's an a-hole for lots of other reasons. Why are you so focused on false accusations? There are way more unreported rapes than there are false reports. You should find a different cause.

 

Well I agree the guy is an a complete tool and terrible human, and you haven't read a lot of what I have said. My cause is not Just False Accusation. My cause is I would really like to have a more definitive clarification as opposed to the Vague announcement of no charges to be filed because we cant prove the alleged took place.

I very much agree with another user who said all allegations should be kept confidential until an actual reason to note it.

[skersfan]

Could we just lock this useless thread. As stated before, no one knows anything about this, yet page after page after page of acting like they do. No charges. Until proof is given by either side, nothing happened. Get on with your life,

[Smac07]

 

 

 

Title IX has 60 days if I remember correctly.

 

As a male it sucks to see the double standard of She accuses rape and is automatically the Victim, and is automatically to be true because it is incredibly difficult to prove without evidence that can not be determined from a Rape Kit!

As a male with a proper upbringing it sucks even more to see sexual assault occurs at all.

As a law abiding citizen I am also sick and tired of seeing "public figures" being treated differently from the rest of us. No one is above the law yet sadly the system sure allows for it!

 

 

 

For those clowns shocked by my statement of making an example of her if she was falsifying the claim; you apparently feel people should be able to cause an incredible amount of damage to someone else by lying about it? Classy! This happens quite often so yes an example of someone lying about such a serious offense should be treated harshly to set a precedent that doing such a thing is not in your best interest.

 

Make no mistake if this is a case of rape then may the offender receive the justice they rightfully deserve.

 

My only point on this issue is this. That "Press Conference" was beyond pointless as it gave very little facts about anything, which creates more of a media storm of pure conjecture and this assumption of either guilt or innocence dependent upon, who you root for and what your personal bias may be. This type of irresponsible release of vagueness did nothing to clear anything and in no way will be forgotten. If you think it will just look at Shamus Winston or any other case that sticks with the Program and the persons involved.

 

Unless facts are revealed that unequivocally exonerate Westy and T.A. this will be something that will tarnish their reputation and character, it also makes me as a Nebraska Alum embarrassed by the fact that there may or may not be these types of people on the team that represents the University, and its alumni as well as fans!

Just because you fail to see the point does not make it pointless.

 

Furthermore, you have unequivocally misunderstood what others are telling you. You're speculating, putting words in people's mouth and throwing garbage around wildly when you know absolutely nothing, and then demand to be told the "facts." Not very classy, either.

 

The "fact" is there is no criminal charge. The "fact" is most people will forget about this save a minority in the future. There were rape accusations from decades past that have all but been forgotten and this scenario will likely become one of those.

 

Are you kidding? People haven't seemed to forget Christian Peters alleged issues, or Incogneto I guess you just forgot about that? Allegations for Sexual assault are serious and should be treated as such. You are living in a fantasy world if you think Alleged Sex Assault just is forgotten and with this handy dandy Inter-web it sure can follow you quite easily!

 

I Speculated on multiple views all which are viable and possible!

 

The Facts you point out are interesting and all, but the most important fact is that the lack of pressing charges is not due to anyone being found innocent or guilty of anything. If that doesn't cause any effect on you than I am a bit surprised.

 

Sexual assault impacts all of us.

 

In regards to Christian Peter, the situation was very different to this one; and, I bet you could poll every college football fan across the country and a significant portion (likely even a majority) would have no idea who Christian Peter is or what he was accused of. And I don't think regular college football fans are actively googling the alleged/actual transgressions of former Huskers.

 

The facts are it doesn't matter what you or I believe or think. No criminal charges have been pressed. End of story. The police and attorneys, the people charged with protecting us and dealing with criminals every day, have determined that there is not enough evidence to prove anyone did anything wrong.

 

Innocent until proven guilty, my friend. I'm not going to go on a head hunt, and I suggest you don't either, to try to defame any of the parties involved here when legally there's nothing to be done.

 

 

 

I certainly don't intend to head hunt by any means and I do apologize if it came off that way, Hard to convey context through text sadly, was simply looking at the situation and saw many societal issues in play that I thought might lead to a pleasant discussion. Which I will say came to fruition.

 

If anything actually does come of this situation I would like to see these types of situations handled better by the media, as well as improving the process for everyone involved.