Epley's comments on Talent

[cornographic]

I don't think it's any mystery that NU needs and has needed more talent for many years now. We're a 2nd tier, 3* heavy team, in this regard. Until we become a 4* heavy team, with a few legit 5* guys in the mix, we will not become a regular contender for conference titles, let alone, an NC. Wok ethic can trump talent from time to time, but a real contender team needs both. We have to improve overall team speed also.

[Husker Psycho]

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Shocking.

 

<sarcasm>

 

And yet some people wonder why some of the players have reservations about playing for this AD and coaching staff.

 

 

 

When people start hiding things... information... the true reason why something was done... or said... then that should raise a RED FLAG.

 

The red flag indicates something is seriously wrong going on. Other wise they would have been honest about it.

 

 

The performance metrics of the players used to be made public during the Osborne days. After he left, all of the sudden, they stopped making them public. We suspected it was because the numbers-metrics had plummeted and they were trying to hide them. That turned out to be correct... they were hiding them form the public because they didn't want the truth to be known.

 

So comments are made by a prominent member of the program... right before a bowl game... and the true nature of the comments and why they were made public was misrepresented-hidden. So as in the case with the athletic performance numbers the red flag comes out again as it should.

 

The truth behind the athletic department controlled public relations pumping of this and the attempt to hide it... is at least as big a story as the comments if not a bigger story because it involves intentional misrepresentation and hiding of the truth.

[Husker Psycho]

 

 

 

 

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

 

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

 

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

 

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

 

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

 

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

 

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

 

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

 

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

 

 

 

Of course you don't.

 

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

 

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

 

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

 

Remember Bo and the Cat?

 

How all of these somehow went viral?

 

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

 

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

 

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

 

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

 

 

Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment.

 

That's kinda the point.

 

I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department.

 

If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction.

 

Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!)

 

Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet)

 

And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself.

 

So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda.

[zoogs]

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

[84HuskerLaw]

People seem to forget that Osborne and McBride changed their SCHEME during the early 90s (you know, what good coaches do). Osborne didn't blame his players for a lack of athleticism or even come out and say his players lacked talent.

 

To argue that TO called out his players publicly for their deficiencies or as an implied excuse for losses is the worst kind of revisionism yet.

Obviously, TO didn't expressly state that he lost those 'big games' for so many years to Oklahoma and Miami et al because he lacked the talent but he most certainly did state numerous times and ways that we needed players that were bigger, stronger and faster! In other words (more talent as that is what bigger, stronger and faster means essentially). Team and individual performance scores, speed and strength and other measures and indexes were routinely released from the team's pre winter conditioning testing and post spring results. We knew the electronic shuttles, 10 yard and 40 yard runs, bench and squat, agility, actual height and weight, etc. When the numbers began to decline and not measure up, Frank Solich put an end to it. He began thinking it made his team look less impressive and I recall him even declaring that revelations of speed and so on gave our opponents advantages in game planning against us. In fact this is true if you are reporting your cornerbacks run 4.65 fortys. They will be attacked big time by 4.4 WRs. Who wouldn't attack known slow guys with faster ones.

[84HuskerLaw]

As for the reasons for the reporting, I believe that publishing these numbers (Osborne's way of doing of things btw) is a great way to encourage all the players to work harder and make themselves quicker, stronger, faster, etc. It will allow all the guys to impress the coaches in the off season with work efforts, etc. Boyd had systems for building strength, endurance and quickness and speed. Players almost always made good improvement in their basis numbers. Often reducing their 40 times as much as 2 tenths. (from 4.85 to 4.65 etc) 18 year olds become 21 year old MEN and this enhances many a man IF he works hard and trains right. Good nutrition and proper exercise and stretching, etc. It is a complete training and development system for each and every individual player and posltion.

[74Hunter]

 

 

I have no doubt they are true. We aren't as talented as the teams of the 90's. But let's face it, we may never assemble that kind of talent at Nebraska ever again. I believe the article states that we have a lot of players in the 1700 range. Not sure if the article tells the age of the players so there is to time to boost their numbers. It's also the first year with Epley back it's going to take some time.

If you look back long enough it seems like we were able to bring talent to a peak about every 10 or 12 years starting with the BobFather's two MNCs. '70-'71. '82-'83. '94-'97. Well, three times at least. That repeating pattern failed to materialize in the 2000s. What happened???

2 great coaches.

 

Since we have had 1 good, 1 horrible, 1 decent, 1 horrible.

[74Hunter]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

 

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

 

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

 

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

 

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

 

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

 

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

 

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

 

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

 

 

Of course you don't.

 

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

 

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

 

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

 

Remember Bo and the Cat?

 

How all of these somehow went viral?

 

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

 

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

 

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment.

 

That's kinda the point.

 

I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department.

 

If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction.

 

Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!)

 

Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet)

 

And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself.

 

So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda.

Wow, bro, you're reeeeaaaallllly stretching here.

[74Hunter]

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

Showcasing the work isn't the problem, it's throwing the players under the bus to excuse the failings of the staff that's the problem.

[Enhance]

 

Oh my god. I can't believe the Athletic Department uses PR outreach to showcase the work they're doing.

Showcasing the work isn't the problem, it's throwing the players under the bus to excuse the failings of the staff that's the problem.

 

Do you have a problem with the release of the information in general or do you believe the statistics are fabricated? Or both? Or none?

[zoogs]

Wow, bro, you're reeeeaaaallllly stretching here.

^ Back at ya!

 

It's not a discussion when you've made up your mind to find fault in nearly anything that happens. So, we'll leave it at that. Enjoy the hysterics over the AD on this, and other things.

[Guy Chamberlin]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Prominent media guy covering Huskers says it was definitely the athletic department that wanted this story out. Contacted both newspapers so they could do the interview together.

 

Also said it didn't go over all that well with everyone on the team.

Thanks Mavric.

 

I'm going to say this once again. You heard it... and read it here... FIRST.

 

The fans here figured this out instantly and the discussion has showed that. There were several members here, with great instincts, that were on top on this in a heart beat. Once again the fans were correct. We smelled PR in this, instantly.

 

It's been very difficult for many to understand and accept the intelligence of Nebraska fans. People in authority who think they can control everything, even though they can't, just cant stand it and still refuse to swallow it.

 

But it's more than that. It's that we are also brutally honest. The combination of intelligence, great instincts and honesty presents a unique and top notch forum for getting accurate and hard hitting information. More accurate and more honest than what you can get anywhere else. Period.

 

But there's more. We (fans) simply do NOT accept being told what to think or say. That genuine freedom trumps everything else. Fans do NOT accept being told what the truth is... when we can see for ourselves that the truth being proclaimed by others, is in fact not true at all. We know the truth and we speak it. We don't take orders from above about what to think... we can think for ourselves. Again... a unique and very healthy aspect of what we do. We wouldn't want it any other way and it shouldn't be any other way.

 

Last but not least "chat boards" are now THE drivers of the narrative. We lead and others follow our lead. Radio shows and other media have been coming to and referring to fan reaction and comments forever... but now more than ever. They know where the good stuff is at... even though they wont admit it. We may not have "media access" but the beautiful thing is we don't need it. We can figure things out for ourselves. We've known for 18 years that the athletic ability of our players has been way down. We can see it with our own eyes and know it with our own minds.

 

"Chat boards" are like healthy little children crawling all over the house. People look at them and comment on how smart they are... but they're still crawling. So the time has come to stand up. The time has come to take our place in all of this... and expect that our place be given the respect it deserves. I personally have never tolerated the criticism-jealousy-envy being thrown at chat boards. It was never anything more than petty jealousy.

 

And best of all. Because we are truly fans... we do it all with the best of intentions.

Keeping in mind this is the same PR department, working for the same AD, who utilized plenty of stunts and spin to present a kinder, gentler Bo Pelini to Husker fans the past couple years.

I guess I don't remember this AD going out off its way to present a kinder, gentler Bo.

 

 

Of course you don't.

 

Remember the Bo locker room pranks? Showing up in the alt uniform? Punking the players? Bo smiling a lot?

 

Remember Bo surprising a returning veteran and his fiance?

 

Remember Jack Hoffman? The Spring Game?

 

Remember Bo and the Cat?

 

How all of these somehow went viral?

 

These things don't just "happen." They were good PR for Bo and the team, and very much calculated to counter the national perception of Bo, a perception that Bo had earned on his own.

 

Some of the things fans don't see behind the scenes? Bo spewing against the administration, the fans and the media as he did in the two tapes that were released. Naive to think those were rare examples of Bo caught off guard. More likely the opposite. The man was a PR nightmare.

 

Meaning Shawn Eichorst's tepid support of Bo in the aftermath of the game against Iowa in 2013 was exactly the support Bo deserved, but the AD PR department went out and gave Bo some warm and fuzzies anyway, for the good of the program.

Do you have any proof that Eichorst had anything to do with any of those things?

Exactly as much proof that Eichorst is pimping out Boyd Epley at the moment.

 

That's kinda the point.

 

I'd be fascinated to see your proof that Bo's "inner circle" was responsible for all his PR, virtually every bit of it requiring the resources and cooperation of the Athletic Department.

 

If you're trying to narrow things down to logical explanations backed by proof, that's going in the other direction.

 

Shawn Eichorst gave Bo Pelini the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (sixth year HC who had uttered the words "f#*k the fans!)

 

Then Shawn Eichorst gave Mike Riley the diplomatic public statements virtually every other AD would give in the same situation (first year HC who hasn't worked with his first recruiting class yet)

 

And the PR department continues to pursue stories to the benefit of the university, and probably never to the surprise of the Athletic Director himself.

 

So it's highly likely both scenarios are accurate, even if one doesn't support your agenda.

Wow, bro, you're reeeeaaaallllly stretching here.

 

 

Well I have worked at the highest levels of public relations, so I might be selling you a load of crap.

 

Or maybe I just know what I'm talking about.

 

Read the post again.

 

It's not a stretch. It's the rational, boring and highly likely scenario.

[alwayshusking]

Why is it an issue whether or not Eichorst was behind the comments? For all I care it could have been Zombie Bob Devaney who was behind it. The real issue should be whether Epley's comments were true. And if true, how long it will take to fix.

 

Exactly. PR campaign or not it's good info for the fans assuming it's true. I have no reason to believe it's not, my guess is that Boyd was disappointed with the lack of talent and S&C development in the football players when he was brought on last year.

[KazLong]

Read through the comments summary:

 

Rabble Rabble Rabble.

 

Players Suck!

 

Coaches Suck!

 

Huskers Suck!

 

Rabble Rabble Rabble.

 

Ain't no sunshine in this thread.