admo Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 hours ago, suh_fan93 said: Personally I'm taking AI (Allen Iverson) over John Stockton any day of the week!! As for Lebron yeah he's easily not in my top 10 if I had to put one together. The guy could score 30 points but his game has just always bored me. There are so many other/more dynamic players in the league who don't get half the coverage that he has and still continues to receive. I loved Iverson, yo!!! 1 Quote Link to comment
admo Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: He's right there on Team B. Bird was just out of my Top 10 a couple years ago, because I just couldn't see him defending or being challenged by the quicker, more athletic, three-point shooting forwards he'd be up against. But spend a little time on the Bird highlight videos: you had some really great defenders executing a Stop Larry Bird strategy, and they still couldn't. The baddest men in basketball were afraid of Bird, and he punished anyone who wasn't. If Bird was considered a defensive liability, I haven't heard it. Can you wonder with today's game, the importance of the 3-point shot, how well Larry Legend would have done each night? He never shot more than 3 a game on average. Bird would perhaps sink 8-10 of those shots each night, plus his rebounding, passing and running fast breaks, mid-range shots and free throws. If he was selfish he could have scored 40 a night. Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 41 minutes ago, admo said: Can you wonder with today's game, the importance of the 3-point shot, how well Larry Legend would have done each night? He never shot more than 3 a game on average. Bird would perhaps sink 8-10 of those shots each night, plus his rebounding, passing and running fast breaks, mid-range shots and free throws. If he was selfish he could have scored 40 a night. In the middle of his run he was getting bored and Bird announced to his teammates that he would play left-handed against the Trailblazers just for kicks. 47 points. 14 rebounds. 11 assists. He reverted to right hand a bit in the fourth quarter. Still. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
admo Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said: In the middle of his run he was getting bored and Bird announced to his teammates that he would play left-handed against the Trailblazers just for kicks. 47 points. 14 rebounds. 11 assists. He reverted to right hand a bit in the fourth quarter. Still. He was among the 4 or 5 GOAT(s), depending on who you ask. And in era when the NBA was struggling until Bird and Magic. Thankful for Jordan coming along shortly after. MJ is considered the GOAT, and I have nothing against people who believe that. He might have been. I think Jordan is definitely 1 of the 5 goat(s). 1 Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 Some of the all-time greats are playing in the NBA right now. LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker. A healthy and motivated Kawhi Leonard could have been an all-timer. His door is closing. Zion Williamson looked like a generational talent, but every time you look up, he's not playing. He's got time, but you gotta wonder if that body is gonna betray him. Every game I also see young — like really young — players I don't recognize with cold-blooded moves and instincts taking it to veteran teams. OKC was not the least bit intimidated by LeBron, Anthony Davis, and the Forum crowd. Anyone else you think might be an all-timer we're watching in the early stages? 1 Quote Link to comment
Slow yer Roll Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 "LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker." I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free. We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games. 1 Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 12 hours ago, Slow yer Roll said: "LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker." I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free. We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games. Who didn't love watching the Bulls in their prime? I've been an NBA fan since the '72 Lakers, but I have no problem giving the new players their due. If you're stuck in the Jordan era, you're missing some great ball. 1 Quote Link to comment
Jason Sitoke Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 15 hours ago, Slow yer Roll said: "LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker." I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free. We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
admo Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 NBA Most-Valuable Player Award - since 1970. Jordan's first year in league was 1984-85. Magic Johnson started career in 1979-80, last year in 1990-91 Larry Bird started career in 1979-80, last year in 1991-92 1970-71 - Jabbar 1971-72 - Jabbar 1972-73 - Cowens 1973-74 - Jabbar 1974-75 - McAdoo 1975-76 - Jabbar 1976-77 - Jabbar 1977-78 - Walton 1978-79 - Moses Malone 1979-80 - Jabbar 1980-81 - Dr J Irving 1981-82 - Moses Malone 1982-83 - Moses Malone 1983-84 - Bird 1984-85 - Bird 1985-86 - Bird 1986-87 - Magic 1987-88 - Jordan 1988-89 - Magic 1989-90 - Magic 1990-91 - Jordan 1991-92 - Jordan 1992-93 - Charles Barkley 1993-94 - Olajuwon 1994-95 - Robinson 1995-96 - Jordan 1996-97 - Karl Malone 1997-98 - Jordan 1998-99 - Karl Malone 1999-00 - Shaq Fu O'Neal 2000-01 - Allen Iverson 2001-02 - Duncan 2002-03 - Duncan 2003-04 - Garnett 2004-05 - Steve Nash 2005-06 - Steve Nash 2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 - Kobe 2008-09 - LeBron 2009-10 - LeBron 2010-11 - Rose 2011-12 - LeBron 2012-13 - LeBron 2013-14 - Durrant 2014-15 - Curry 2015-16 - Curry 2016-17 - Westbrook 2017-18 - Harden 2018-19 - Giannis 2019-20 - Giannis 2020-21 - Nikola Jokic 2021-22 - Nikola Jokic 1 Quote Link to comment
Guy Chamberlin Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 I loved Moses Malone. Gets left out of a lot of the debates, but he was a serious force and a winner. Where do Harden and Westbrook end up? I don't like their games and they don't win championships, but they've got a lot of big numbers. 1 Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted February 12, 2023 Author Share Posted February 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said: Where do Harden and Westbrook end up? Saw this posted today: Career Stats: Steph Curry: 24.5 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3.1 TOPG Russell Westbrook: 22.5 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 4.1 TOPG So Curry gets one more basket per game. Westbrook as a significant edge in rebounding and assists. Curry with the edge in turnovers. Others basically even. Harden: 24.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 3.7 TOPG So you'd probably have to go Westbrook > Harden > Curry on all-around games. I thought Curry might have more of an edge in not turning the ball over but not really that much. 1 Quote Link to comment
Huskerfollower4life Posted February 12, 2023 Share Posted February 12, 2023 21 hours ago, admo said: NBA Most-Valuable Player Award - since 1970. Jordan's first year in league was 1984-85. Magic Johnson started career in 1979-80, last year in 1990-91 Larry Bird started career in 1979-80, last year in 1991-92 1970-71 - Jabbar 1971-72 - Jabbar 1972-73 - Cowens 1973-74 - Jabbar 1974-75 - McAdoo 1975-76 - Jabbar 1976-77 - Jabbar 1977-78 - Walton 1978-79 - Moses Malone 1979-80 - Jabbar 1980-81 - Dr J Irving 1981-82 - Moses Malone 1982-83 - Moses Malone 1983-84 - Bird 1984-85 - Bird 1985-86 - Bird 1986-87 - Magic 1987-88 - Jordan 1988-89 - Magic 1989-90 - Magic 1990-91 - Jordan 1991-92 - Jordan 1992-93 - Charles Barkley 1993-94 - Olajuwon 1994-95 - Robinson 1995-96 - Jordan 1996-97 - Karl Malone 1997-98 - Jordan 1998-99 - Karl Malone 1999-00 - Shaq Fu O'Neal 2000-01 - Allen Iverson 2001-02 - Duncan 2002-03 - Duncan 2003-04 - Garnett 2004-05 - Steve Nash 2005-06 - Steve Nash 2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki 2007-08 - Kobe 2008-09 - LeBron 2009-10 - LeBron 2010-11 - Rose 2011-12 - LeBron 2012-13 - LeBron 2013-14 - Durrant 2014-15 - Curry 2015-16 - Curry 2016-17 - Westbrook 2017-18 - Harden 2018-19 - Giannis 2019-20 - Giannis 2020-21 - Nikola Jokic 2021-22 - Nikola Jokic MJ got screwed in 1992-1993 season vs Barkley. MJ was the better player and the 1996-1997 season as well. Quote Link to comment
Mavric Posted February 13, 2023 Author Share Posted February 13, 2023 4 hours ago, Huskerfollower4life said: MJ was the better player and the 1996-1997 season as well. 1 Quote Link to comment
BigRedBuster Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 On 2/10/2023 at 12:08 PM, Guy Chamberlin said: Iverson was a crazy talent and tons of fun to watch, but is he going to share the ball with Michael Jordan? Or play defense? They would work it out in practice.....oh...wait.... 2 Quote Link to comment
Jason Sitoke Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 18 hours ago, Mavric said: Saw this posted today: Career Stats: Steph Curry: 24.5 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3.1 TOPG Russell Westbrook: 22.5 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 4.1 TOPG So Curry gets one more basket per game. Westbrook as a significant edge in rebounding and assists. Curry with the edge in turnovers. Others basically even. Harden: 24.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 3.7 TOPG So you'd probably have to go Westbrook > Harden > Curry on all-around games. I thought Curry might have more of an edge in not turning the ball over but not really that much. Shooting splits (fg%, 3pt%, ft%) Curry: 48/43/91 westbrook: 44/30/78 Night and day. 1 1 Quote Link to comment
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