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Michael Jordan: GOAT


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7 hours ago, suh_fan93 said:

 

 

Personally I'm taking AI (Allen Iverson) over John Stockton any day of the week!!

 

As for Lebron yeah he's easily not in my top 10 if I had to put one together.  The guy could score 30 points but his game has just always bored me.  There are so many other/more dynamic players in the league who don't get half the coverage that he has and still continues to receive.  

I loved Iverson, yo!!! :w00t

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3 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

He's right there on Team B.

 

Bird was just out of my Top 10 a couple years ago, because I just couldn't see him defending or being challenged by the quicker, more athletic,  three-point shooting forwards he'd be up against. But spend a little time on the Bird highlight videos: you had some really great defenders executing a Stop Larry Bird strategy, and they still couldn't. The baddest men in basketball were afraid of Bird, and he punished anyone who wasn't. If Bird was considered a defensive liability, I haven't heard it. 

Can you wonder with today's game, the importance of the 3-point shot, how well Larry Legend would have done each night?  He never shot more than 3 a game on average.  Bird would perhaps sink 8-10 of those shots each night, plus his rebounding, passing and running fast breaks, mid-range shots and free throws.  If he was selfish he could have scored 40 a night.

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41 minutes ago, admo said:

Can you wonder with today's game, the importance of the 3-point shot, how well Larry Legend would have done each night?  He never shot more than 3 a game on average.  Bird would perhaps sink 8-10 of those shots each night, plus his rebounding, passing and running fast breaks, mid-range shots and free throws.  If he was selfish he could have scored 40 a night.

 

In the middle of his run he was getting bored and Bird announced to his teammates that he would play left-handed against the Trailblazers just for kicks. 

 

47 points. 14 rebounds. 11 assists.

 

He reverted to right hand a bit in the fourth quarter. Still. 

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2 hours ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

 

In the middle of his run he was getting bored and Bird announced to his teammates that he would play left-handed against the Trailblazers just for kicks. 

 

47 points. 14 rebounds. 11 assists.

 

He reverted to right hand a bit in the fourth quarter. Still. 

He was among the 4 or 5 GOAT(s), depending on who you ask.  And in era when the NBA was struggling until Bird and Magic.

 

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Thankful for Jordan coming along shortly after.  MJ is considered the GOAT, and I have nothing against people who believe that.  He might have been.  I think Jordan is definitely 1 of the 5 goat(s).  

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Some of the all-time greats are playing in the NBA right now.  

 

LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. 

 

We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker. 

 

A healthy and motivated Kawhi Leonard could have been an all-timer. His door is closing. Zion Williamson looked like a generational talent, but every time you look up, he's not playing. He's got time, but you gotta wonder if that body is gonna betray him. 

 

Every game I also see young — like really young — players I don't recognize with cold-blooded moves and instincts taking it to veteran teams. OKC was not the least bit intimidated by LeBron, Anthony Davis, and the Forum crowd. 

 

Anyone else you think might be an all-timer we're watching in the early stages? 

 

 

 

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"LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. 

 

We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker."

 

 

 

I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free.

 

 

We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games.

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12 hours ago, Slow yer Roll said:

"LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. 

 

We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker."

 

 

 

I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free.

 

 

We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games.

 

Who didn't love watching the Bulls in their prime?

 

I've been an NBA fan since the '72 Lakers, but I have no problem giving the new players their due. If you're stuck in the Jordan era, you're missing some great ball. 

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15 hours ago, Slow yer Roll said:

"LeBron, Curry, Giannis, Durant for sure. I have a problem with Chris Paul, but most folks say he's already there. 

 

We're in the early days of Luka, Ja Morant, LaMelo Ball, this Panchero rookie, Shai Gilgeous-Alexander  They could be legends. Jokic just needs a couple more seasons. Maybe Embid. Devin Booker."

 

 

 

I wouldn't walk across the street to see any of them if the tickets were free.

 

 

We used to adjust work schedules to watch bulls playoff games.

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NBA Most-Valuable Player Award - since 1970. 

 

Jordan's first year in league was 1984-85.

 

Magic Johnson started career in 1979-80, last year in 1990-91

Larry Bird started career in 1979-80, last year in 1991-92

 

1970-71 - Jabbar

1971-72 - Jabbar

1972-73 - Cowens

1973-74 - Jabbar

1974-75 - McAdoo

1975-76 - Jabbar

1976-77 - Jabbar

1977-78 - Walton

1978-79 - Moses Malone

1979-80 - Jabbar

1980-81 - Dr J Irving

1981-82 - Moses Malone

1982-83 - Moses Malone

1983-84 - Bird

1984-85 - Bird

1985-86 - Bird

1986-87 - Magic

1987-88 - Jordan

1988-89 - Magic

1989-90 - Magic

1990-91 - Jordan

1991-92 - Jordan

1992-93 - Charles Barkley

1993-94 - Olajuwon

1994-95 - Robinson

1995-96 - Jordan

1996-97 - Karl Malone

1997-98 - Jordan

1998-99 - Karl Malone

1999-00 - Shaq Fu O'Neal

2000-01 - Allen Iverson

2001-02 - Duncan

2002-03 - Duncan

2003-04 - Garnett

2004-05 - Steve Nash

2005-06 - Steve Nash

2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki

2007-08 - Kobe

2008-09 - LeBron

2009-10 - LeBron

2010-11 - Rose

2011-12 - LeBron

2012-13 - LeBron

2013-14 - Durrant

2014-15 - Curry

2015-16 - Curry

2016-17 - Westbrook

2017-18 - Harden

2018-19 - Giannis

2019-20 - Giannis

2020-21 - Nikola Jokic

2021-22 - Nikola Jokic

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Guy Chamberlin said:

Where do Harden and Westbrook end up?

 

Saw this posted today:

 

Career Stats:

Steph Curry: 24.5 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3.1 TOPG

Russell Westbrook: 22.5 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 4.1 TOPG

 

So Curry gets one more basket per game.  Westbrook as a significant edge in rebounding and assists.  Curry with the edge in turnovers.  Others basically even.

 

Harden: 24.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 3.7 TOPG

 

So you'd probably have to go Westbrook > Harden > Curry on all-around games.  I thought Curry might have more of an edge in not turning the ball over but not really that much.

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21 hours ago, admo said:

NBA Most-Valuable Player Award - since 1970. 

 

Jordan's first year in league was 1984-85.

 

Magic Johnson started career in 1979-80, last year in 1990-91

Larry Bird started career in 1979-80, last year in 1991-92

 

1970-71 - Jabbar

1971-72 - Jabbar

1972-73 - Cowens

1973-74 - Jabbar

1974-75 - McAdoo

1975-76 - Jabbar

1976-77 - Jabbar

1977-78 - Walton

1978-79 - Moses Malone

1979-80 - Jabbar

1980-81 - Dr J Irving

1981-82 - Moses Malone

1982-83 - Moses Malone

1983-84 - Bird

1984-85 - Bird

1985-86 - Bird

1986-87 - Magic

1987-88 - Jordan

1988-89 - Magic

1989-90 - Magic

1990-91 - Jordan

1991-92 - Jordan

1992-93 - Charles Barkley

1993-94 - Olajuwon

1994-95 - Robinson

1995-96 - Jordan

1996-97 - Karl Malone

1997-98 - Jordan

1998-99 - Karl Malone

1999-00 - Shaq Fu O'Neal

2000-01 - Allen Iverson

2001-02 - Duncan

2002-03 - Duncan

2003-04 - Garnett

2004-05 - Steve Nash

2005-06 - Steve Nash

2006-07 - Dirk Nowitzki

2007-08 - Kobe

2008-09 - LeBron

2009-10 - LeBron

2010-11 - Rose

2011-12 - LeBron

2012-13 - LeBron

2013-14 - Durrant

2014-15 - Curry

2015-16 - Curry

2016-17 - Westbrook

2017-18 - Harden

2018-19 - Giannis

2019-20 - Giannis

2020-21 - Nikola Jokic

2021-22 - Nikola Jokic

 

 

 

MJ got screwed in 1992-1993 season vs Barkley.  MJ was the better player and the 1996-1997 season as well.

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18 hours ago, Mavric said:

 

Saw this posted today:

 

Career Stats:

Steph Curry: 24.5 PPG, 4.7 RPG, 6.5 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 3.1 TOPG

Russell Westbrook: 22.5 PPG, 7.3 RPG, 8.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.3 BPG, 4.1 TOPG

 

So Curry gets one more basket per game.  Westbrook as a significant edge in rebounding and assists.  Curry with the edge in turnovers.  Others basically even.

 

Harden: 24.8 PPG, 5.6 RPG, 7.0 APG, 1.5 SPG, 0.5 BPG, 3.7 TOPG

 

So you'd probably have to go Westbrook > Harden > Curry on all-around games.  I thought Curry might have more of an edge in not turning the ball over but not really that much.

 

Shooting splits (fg%, 3pt%, ft%)
Curry: 48/43/91

westbrook: 44/30/78

 

Night and day. 

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