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14 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

 

 

I would be much more concerned if we were not seeing active efforts from the coaches to fix the problems.  We are 0-4.  If Frost and Co were just giving coach speak, no changes to starting line ups....and acting like it's not that big of a deal, then recruits would not be that excited to come play for him.  However, we are seeing actions by the coaching staff and passion to get it fixed.  That tells recruits that if I come, eventually, I probably will be playing for a winner AND have a chance at early playing time if I work my ass off and prove I'm better.

I agree. He even gave the guys a chance to correct their mistakes. He didnt pull them after 1 or 2 mistakes. He pulled those guys after they showed an inability to stop making the same mistakes.

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17 commits right now.  24 open spots plus however many over-signs.  I continue to see speculation that we'll sign 28-29.

 

Current Scholarships/Commits

QB - 1 - LUKE McCAFFREY
RB - 3 - RAHMIR JOHNSON, RONALD THOMPKINS,  JUCO DEDRICK MILLS
WR - 3-4 - JAMIE NANCEMarcus Washington, Wandale Robinson
TE - 1 - CHRIS HICKMAN
OT - 3-4 - MATTHEW ANDERSON, MICHAEL LYNN, Bryce Benhart, Dohnovan West, Darien Chase
OG/C - 2 - JUCO DESMOND BLAND

NT - 1-2 - JUCO TONY FAIR
DE - 2-3 - ETHAN PIPERMOSAI NEWSOM, Ty Robinson, Brant Banks
LB - 4-5 - GARRETT SNODGRASS, GARRETT NELSON, JACKSON HANNAH, NICK HENRICH
CB - 2 - QUINTON NEWSOME, Javin Wright, Tavian Mayo, Jarrad Baker
S - 2 - Jamel Starks, Noa Pola-Gates, Josh SanguinettiKenny Logan

 

ATH - Zay Flowers

 

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3 hours ago, SECHusker said:

Out who we have committed, who is an early enrollee?

Bland, Fair, and Mills are all expected to graduate in December. I remember reading McCaffery could, but it's up to his parents and the staff. 

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Anyone from same area or school as Martinez or Washington that could peer recruit? They are both taking in big roles as freshman I would think that would help 

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9 hours ago, BIG ERN said:


Haba has 9 sacks through 6 games 

Walk-on that could possibly win a scholarship?  

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21 minutes ago, Warrior10 said:

Crootin' is slow. I don't like it. 

 

Crootin' is fairly slow for everyone.  Pretty much how it goes the first half of the season.  Guys who know where they wanted to go committed during the summer.  Most everyone else is going to take their visits and decide later.

 

The biggest thing that hurts is our lack of home games this month.  Plus Minnesota is an early kickoff so that hurts as well.  

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20 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Crootin' is fairly slow for everyone.  Pretty much how it goes the first half of the season.  Guys who know where they wanted to go committed during the summer.  Most everyone else is going to take their visits and decide later.

 

The biggest thing that hurts is our lack of home games this month.  Plus Minnesota is an early kickoff so that hurts as well.  

2:30 PM is considered early now?? How old are you Mav!!!

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28 minutes ago, Mavric said:

 

Crootin' is fairly slow for everyone.  Pretty much how it goes the first half of the season.  Guys who know where they wanted to go committed during the summer.  Most everyone else is going to take their visits and decide later.

 

The biggest thing that hurts is our lack of home games this month.  Plus Minnesota is an early kickoff so that hurts as well.  

Is highschool football wrapped up by the time we play MN? I honestly cant remember... just wondering if things are wrapping up then kids can fly out Friday

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1 minute ago, Minnesota_husker said:

Is highschool football wrapped up by the time we play MN? I honestly cant remember... just wondering if things are wrapping up then kids can fly out Friday

 

I doubt it in most places. Especially since most recruits we are after are usually on pretty good teams that win a couple games in the playoffs at least.

Most times we get lucky and it's a bye week or something like that.

2:30 start time opens some doors though.

 

I would expect our Michigan State visitors list to be stacked.

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11 minutes ago, ScottyIce said:

2:30 PM is considered early now?? How old are you Mav!!!

 

Whoops.  My bad.  Had it confused with this weekend's game.

 

I must be getting old.  :D

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1 hour ago, Warrior10 said:

Crootin' is slow. I don't like it. 

I think if we can build off the Wisconsin game. String together a few wins and have our offense show up in the first half. We could start to build some buzz about things starting to turn around and see an explosive offense for the whole game.

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Starting potentially as early as next week staff is considering sending coaches out on road recruiting latter part of week. Doesn't sound like they'll miss practice, they'll just be pulling long hours. 

 

With exception of the Bethune game, there is talk of coaches potentially missing practice to recruit that week. 

 

This all tells me they don't like where we are at recruiting right now, and I agree. 

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14 minutes ago, Warrior10 said:

Starting potentially as early as next week staff is considering sending coaches out on road recruiting latter part of week. Doesn't sound like they'll miss practice, they'll just be pulling long hours. 

 

With exception of the Bethune game, there is talk of coaches potentially missing practice to recruit that week. 

 

This all tells me they don't like where we are at recruiting right now, and I agree. 

 

If they fail, it won't be because of lack of effort.

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1 hour ago, Warrior10 said:

Starting potentially as early as next week staff is considering sending coaches out on road recruiting latter part of week. Doesn't sound like they'll miss practice, they'll just be pulling long hours. 

 

With exception of the Bethune game, there is talk of coaches potentially missing practice to recruit that week. 

 

This all tells me they don't like where we are at recruiting right now, and I agree. 

 

Held was down vising the Kansas JUCOs during the week last week.  Not sure if he missed any practice but I would think he could have left after practice and got to a couple that afternoon.

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55 minutes ago, BigRedBuster said:

 

If they fail, it won't be because of lack of effort.

 The more I think about it, this could be an approach they used at UCF because of how local the recruits were. It'll be tougher here, but hopefully they can make it work. 

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At this point I recruit the hell out of pass rushers and OL.  I don't even want to see a WR, scat back, RB until will have some OL and DE recruits we can get behind.  We are losing games at the line of scrimmage.  When was the last time our OL and DL played well in the same game?  There is the reason we are riding a losing streak.  

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On 10/13/2018 at 3:31 PM, chamrocck said:

At this point I recruit the hell out of pass rushers and OL.  I don't even want to see a WR, scat back, RB until will have some OL and DE recruits we can get behind.  We are losing games at the line of scrimmage.  When was the last time our OL and DL played well in the same game?  There is the reason we are riding a losing streak.  

 

You recruit the hell out of every position we have a need for because if we dont then this s#!t happens again in a few years at another position because we didnt recruit that position or whatever other position we have a need for and now were struggling with depth. 

 

We have 2 senior RBs leaving. 1 transfer already. A walk on is third string. With receiver we have 1 senior. A transfer already. A true frosh walk-on is starting. Id say WR/RB are also positions of need. You cant just bring in 15 OL/DL recruits just because your current stock isnt any good. 

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23 minutes ago, Frott Scost said:

 

You recruit the hell out of every position we have a need for because if we dont then this s#!t happens again in a few years at another position because we didnt recruit that position or whatever other position we have a need for and now were struggling with depth. 

 

We have 2 senior RBs leaving. 1 transfer already. A walk on is third string. With receiver we have 1 senior. A transfer already. A true frosh walk-on is starting. Id say WR/RB are also positions of need. You cant just bring in 15 OL/DL recruits just because your current stock isnt any good. 

Agree.

 

You can bring in 15 walk-on O-linemen from Nebraska and hopefully find a gem or two though.  I think roster management will be just fine under Frost, he just needs a little time.

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On 10/13/2018 at 3:31 PM, chamrocck said:

At this point I recruit the hell out of pass rushers and OL.  I don't even want to see a WR, scat back, RB until will have some OL and DE recruits we can get behind.  We are losing games at the line of scrimmage.  When was the last time our OL and DL played well in the same game?  There is the reason we are riding a losing streak.  

Well....good thing you aren’t our recruiting coordinator. 

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On 10/12/2018 at 9:54 AM, Mavric said:

 

Held was down vising the Kansas JUCOs during the week last week.  Not sure if he missed any practice but I would think he could have left after practice and got to a couple that afternoon.

Another perk to having morning practice.

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On 10/6/2018 at 10:58 AM, Mavric said:

17 commits right now.  24 open spots plus however many over-signs.  I continue to see speculation that we'll sign 28-29.

 

Current Scholarships/Commits

QB - 1 - LUKE McCAFFREY
RB - 3 - RAHMIR JOHNSON, RONALD THOMPKINS,  JUCO DEDRICK MILLS
WR - 2-3 - JAMIE NANCEMarcus Washington, Wandale Robinson
TE - 1 - CHRIS HICKMAN
OT - 3-4 - MATTHEW ANDERSON, MICHAEL LYNN, Bryce Benhart, Dohnovan West, Darien Chase
OG/C - 2 - JUCO DESMOND BLAND

NT - 1-2 - JUCO TONY FAIR
DE - 2-3 - ETHAN PIPERMOSAI NEWSOM, Ty Robinson, Brant Banks
LB - 4-5 - GARRETT SNODGRASS, GARRETT NELSON, JACKSON HANNAH, NICK HENRICH
CB - 2 - QUINTON NEWSOME, Javin Wright, Tavian Mayo, Jarrad Baker
S - 2 - Jamel Starks, Noa Pola-Gates, Josh SanguinettiKenny Logan

 

ATH - Zay Flowers

 

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I am going to rank which players we need and in what order. This doesn't mean we land them but this is a good idea of what we need. I will name 10 of them.

1. Benhart- speaks for itself, we need a gamechanger at OT

2. Wandale Robinson- we could use his talent as he will be an instant impact player

3. Ty Robinson- we need a solid D-lineman, can't let USC steal this one from us

4. Lloyd Summeral/OLB- If we don't get Robinson we need to be in this guys ear. Probably doesn't leave the South but Sean Beckton has ties to this area so we shall see. Replace him with an OLB if we get Robinson.

5. Marcus Washington- need to get these kinds of athletes on the field. A solid receiver in an area where we need to get players of this caliber

6. Jalani Williams/Josh Sanguinetti- Need to get a great safety in this class because we lose three of them that play meaningful snaps.

7. Darien Chase- we say we are recruiting him as a WR but my bet is he moves to CB. Instant impact player in my opinion. Don't know why he is an OT up there. 

8. Javin Wright- Needed for us to add depth at a position of need.

9. Donovan West/JuCo OT- We need to add one or two more at this position because we are thin.

10. Brant Banks-could really use his size and he could play either side. My bet is he moves to OT but we need D-lineman in a bad way. 

 

We could also use another safety/CB hybrid to add to the class. We are definitely getting to 27 at the minimum in this class. My bet is 29 because we need to upgrade at certain spots. Look for a couple JuCos if we do not land our top targets. Six and up are interchangeable in my mind.

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1 hour ago, HuskermanMike said:

I am going to rank which players we need and in what order. This doesn't mean we land them but this is a good idea of what we need. I will name 10 of them.

1. Benhart- speaks for itself, we need a gamechanger at OT

2. Wandale Robinson- we could use his talent as he will be an instant impact player

3. Ty Robinson- we need a solid D-lineman, can't let USC steal this one from us

4. Lloyd Summeral/OLB- If we don't get Robinson we need to be in this guys ear. Probably doesn't leave the South but Sean Beckton has ties to this area so we shall see. Replace him with an OLB if we get Robinson.

5. Marcus Washington- need to get these kinds of athletes on the field. A solid receiver in an area where we need to get players of this caliber

6. Jalani Williams/Josh Sanguinetti- Need to get a great safety in this class because we lose three of them that play meaningful snaps.

7. Darien Chase- we say we are recruiting him as a WR but my bet is he moves to CB. Instant impact player in my opinion. Don't know why he is an OT up there. 

8. Javin Wright- Needed for us to add depth at a position of need.

9. Donovan West/JuCo OT- We need to add one or two more at this position because we are thin.

10. Brant Banks-could really use his size and he could play either side. My bet is he moves to OT but we need D-lineman in a bad way. 

 

We could also use another safety/CB hybrid to add to the class. We are definitely getting to 27 at the minimum in this class. My bet is 29 because we need to upgrade at certain spots. Look for a couple JuCos if we do not land our top targets. Six and up are interchangeable in my mind.

Anyone have guesses for how many of those guys we actually land? Benhart, Wandale, and Chase are favorites of mine.

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2 hours ago, Noahjb said:

Anyone have guesses for how many of those guys we actually land? Benhart, Wandale, and Chase are favorites of mine.

I would guess we can get all three that you mentioned. However, I would rank them as follow in confidence we get them Benhart, Chase, W. Robinson. Ty Robinson is someone who we will probably get second place for. Banks should be N as should Javin Wright, a Juco OLB is very probable as is another OT. 

 

I will say we get at least half and probably leaning towards six or seven of them. Those would be Benhart, W. Robinson, Chase, Wright, Banks, and Washington. Robinson is off a gut feeling and it's too early for Washington but the offense has shown promise this year. 

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17 hours ago, BigRedBuster said:

Well....good thing you aren’t our recruiting coordinator. 

I'm not disagreeing we need to recruit all positions.  But I am saying we have had an overemphasis on skill positions and not much focus on OL and DL.  I'm glad we won some battles for some skill guys (great job in getting our QB) but it is obvious we lack with line play on both sides.  With lines as the foundation of your team we basically are lacking severely so yes that is a lot of positions to recruit for. This is an obvious fact especially at high school and college.  You can have great QB's and some stud receivers but without any OL to protect and block you are going to lose.  Without a DL you make the other team look fantastic with worse QB's and skill players.  This has been Nebraska football for the last several years (losing while making other offenses look great against us).  So yes Frost and Co. need to fix it...no apologies for that.  

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6 hours ago, chamrocck said:

I'm not disagreeing we need to recruit all positions.  But I am saying we have had an overemphasis on skill positions and not much focus on OL and DL.  I'm glad we won some battles for some skill guys (great job in getting our QB) but it is obvious we lack with line play on both sides.  With lines as the foundation of your team we basically are lacking severely so yes that is a lot of positions to recruit for. This is an obvious fact especially at high school and college.  You can have great QB's and some stud receivers but without any OL to protect and block you are going to lose.  Without a DL you make the other team look fantastic with worse QB's and skill players.  This has been Nebraska football for the last several years (losing while making other offenses look great against us).  So yes Frost and Co. need to fix it...no apologies for that.  

 

Thats not true. The only reason it looks that way is because we have had a lot of misses on the lines and they havent developed the way they should while we have had some skill position players step up. We have recruited both lines and have the bodies, just not necessarily kids that are ready to see the field. Doesnt mean you just bring in as many recruits as possible, just bring in the amount you need and develop them better. 

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5 hours ago, Frott Scost said:

 

Thats not true. The only reason it looks that way is because we have had a lot of misses on the lines and they havent developed the way they should while we have had some skill position players step up. We have recruited both lines and have the bodies, just not necessarily kids that are ready to see the field. Doesnt mean you just bring in as many recruits as possible, just bring in the amount you need and develop them better. 

Also do a better job recruiting. Then do better developing. I think most teams in the big 10 dont struggle as much as we do. How many times do we see like indiana or purdue or northwestern take ohio state, penn state or wisconsin to the wire in a game. Then I think hey maybe we have a chance. Then we go get blown out by like 50.

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I don’t follow recruiting outside of the info I get on this board. I’m curious about how the way our season has unfolded will effect recruiting? Conventional wisdom (read: my opinion) would be that some commits may waiver due to the way the season has gone so far. 

 

1. Are any current commits waivering?

2. If no, who do we have currently committed that we need to worry about the most being plucked due to the current circumstances?

 

Thanks. I’ll hang up and listen off the air.

 

edit: whoops! Guess I should have just looked three threads below. Sorry.

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On 10/3/2018 at 10:41 AM, Warrior10 said:

I'm adding WR to my concerns for this class. 

 

We have Nance (who I don't necessarily think is a game changer). The other 4 guys that have visited/shown interest are committed elsewhere or leaning heavily elsewhere.

 

Outside if JD we haven't had a current player show us much/any reason for confidence next year.

 

Who are our remaining legitimate targets? Hoping Trustin Oliver qualifies academically is the only one I can think of. 

Walters said today we'll take 3-4 and even a 5th if it's the right guy. 

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29 minutes ago, Warrior10 said:

Walters said today we'll take 3-4 and even a 5th if it's the right guy. 

Yeah, I’m just not concerned really. We put together a pretty good class from December-February last year. Confident they are going to find 3-4 more legit options at WR/ATH for the squad.

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On 10/16/2018 at 4:57 AM, Frott Scost said:

 

Thats not true. The only reason it looks that way is because we have had a lot of misses on the lines and they havent developed the way they should while we have had some skill position players step up. We have recruited both lines and have the bodies, just not necessarily kids that are ready to see the field. Doesnt mean you just bring in as many recruits as possible, just bring in the amount you need and develop them better. 

I don't have the data but it feels to me like we have won some skill player battles against better schools while OL and DL not as much beating good schools in recruiting.  Somebody probably has the average score by position.  One thing I have not seen despite the great need for several years is the recruitment of a monster pass rusher.  A guy that is brought in especially for that skill.  Randy Gregory is the last one I recall.  There has not been speed off the edge since and we have suffered for that dearly.  Instead of recruiting zero edge rushers, it must be a priority to get multiple pass rushers. You can't continue to strike out in this area and I contend we have. 

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6 hours ago, chamrocck said:

I don't have the data but it feels to me like we have won some skill player battles against better schools while OL and DL not as much beating good schools in recruiting.  Somebody probably has the average score by position.  One thing I have not seen despite the great need for several years is the recruitment of a monster pass rusher.  A guy that is brought in especially for that skill.  Randy Gregory is the last one I recall.  There has not been speed off the edge since and we have suffered for that dearly.  Instead of recruiting zero edge rushers, it must be a priority to get multiple pass rushers. You can't continue to strike out in this area and I contend we have. 

 

I totally get that and I agree we have missed a lot on the lines for a game changer. But if you look at the roster, we have the bodies on both lines so it isnt like we havent recruited those positions like your last couple posts made it seem like. Like one of the above posts says, we just need to recruit the position better. But skill positions cant take a back seat just because we have had more wins against better schools. We beat out tOSU for Lindsey and look at him. He didnt do much and left. The schools recruiting him had no difference on his production. Next year we have Spielman and Washington and thats it. No other skill player on the roster has shown anything to feel like you should just not worry about recruiting that position this year. 

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20 hours ago, ScottyIce said:

Yeah, I’m just not concerned really. We put together a pretty good class from December-February last year. Confident they are going to find 3-4 more legit options at WR/ATH for the squad.

 I'd prefer to be cherry picking and working on next year's class between the early signing period and NSD. 

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2 hours ago, Warrior10 said:

 I'd prefer to be cherry picking and working on next year's class between the early signing period and NSD. 

 

Same. Gotta play the hand you're dealt though.

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