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22 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

How do we compare regarding ethnical and socioeconomic by group to these other countries? Do you think this person or others would have created mass murder via other ways if not for a gun? Maybe a pressure cooker at the next event. Drive their car into a crowd? How did the assault weapons ban work when we tried it for a decade? 

 

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/13/750656174/the-u-s-once-had-a-ban-on-assault-weapons-why-did-it-expire

What effect did the ban have?

Today we can look back at the 10 years of the ban and at 15 years since its expiration.

Critics of the ban have argued that it violated Second Amendment rights while accomplishing little, and evidence suggests it did not do much to reduce the incidence of gun violence overall.

What it did, its defenders reply, was reduce the number of people killed in mass shootings.

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27 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Do you think this person or others would have created mass murder via other ways if not for a gun? 

People could do those things now and they don't. If somebody wants to carry out a mass killing, kill themselves or kill someone else, they can find a way to do it. Guns are simply the most effective and accessible way of doing so, particularly in regards to killing massive amounts of people in one fell swoop.

 

This same question was posed by other countries when they went through gun legislation discussions and, IMO, it's largely a red herring. The data from other countries is largely conclusive in regards to what happens when you eliminate the supply of guns and significantly increase the requirements for purchasing and owning one.

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28 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

How do we compare regarding ethnical and socioeconomic by group to these other countries? 

 

Not sure what you're asking here. Culturally they don't have the same gun interest America does, but that's pretty much the problem, right?  If we're comparing ourselves to just other first-world, wealthy nations, we vastly exceed their levels of 

 

28 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

Do you think this person or others would have created mass murder via other ways if not for a gun? Maybe a pressure cooker at the next event. Drive their car into a crowd? 

 

@Enhance answered this quite well, but of course the answer is yes. But it's far more difficult without assault weapons, so why not make it more difficult?  

 

28 minutes ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

How did the assault weapons ban work when we tried it for a decade? 

 

The 90s bill had no surrender/buyback clause and was intended to expire in ten years. It was a bill destined to fail. Smarter legislation will have a greater impact. 

 

 

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1 hour ago, Enhance said:

Guns are simply the most effective and accessible way of doing so, particularly in regards to killing massive amounts of people in one fell swoop.

I’ll add that “assault weapons “ like AR-15s with their relatively lightweight, low recoil, large magazine capacity and long sight-radius make them far easier to accomplish this (vs handguns, shotguns or hunting rifles).  Especially with moving  and/or more distant targets.  

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2 hours ago, Decoy73 said:

I’ll add that “assault weapons “ like AR-15s with their relatively lightweight, low recoil, large magazine capacity and long sight-radius make them far easier to accomplish this (vs handguns, shotguns or hunting rifles).  Especially with moving  and/or more distant targets.  

Agreed. I was actually intrigued to learn that you can purchase an AR-15 in the UK (I would've assumed it was illegal). But, the requirements are far more significant which boil down to needing a firearms certificate (you need one for each gun), and there are a lot of requirements involved in that processing including:

  • a passport photo
  • a "good reason" for purchasing
  • two referees (i.e. people willing to vouch for you - they must be in good standing, have known you for two years, and not be a family member)
  • You have to list what kind of weapon and calibre you want to get with the certificate, and then it can take up to 12 weeks to get it
  • You have to give permission for police to approach your general practitioner, and if you don't have one, you can't get the certificate

 

Edit - FWIW, I don't see an issue with that process at all. I'd welcome something like that in the U.S. And, of course, hand guns are not really an option there. Believe they banned private ownership in '97.

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5 hours ago, Hedley Lamarr said:

How do we compare regarding ethnical and socioeconomic by group to these other countries? Do you think this person or others would have created mass murder via other ways if not for a gun? Maybe a pressure cooker at the next event. Drive their car into a crowd? 

Maybe he would’ve found a pvc pipe:

https://abc7.com/denver-pipe-attack-16th-street-mall-cleveland-place/1409458/

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2 hours ago, Scarlet said:

Nope

In 2019, rifles accounted for just under 500 murders in the US while knives accounted for 1,600 murders in the US.  Should any media personality previously forced out of a job for lying worry more about knives instead of rifles?  Will he be defining weapon of war soon?   

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we can't take away the god given right to murder as many people as possible as fast as possible.  if you get pissed at someone it is your right to fill them with as many bullet holes as possible.  if republicans ever want to carry out their god given order and execute all the democrats they will want their guns to do it as fast as possible.   

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59 minutes ago, Archy1221 said:

In 2019, rifles accounted for just under 500 murders in the US while knives accounted for 1,600 murders in the US.  Should any media personality previously forced out of a job for lying worry more about knives instead of rifles?  Will he be defining weapon of war soon?   

How many of those knife murders involved mass casualties of people just going about their lives in presumably safe public places?   

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